Seeking the secrets of the Athar.

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#1

andyr

Apr 21, 2005 13:14:24
Hey all,

I am looking for some more information about the Athar faction (general information, no specific angle). I have the Planar Handbook, and have looked on Planewalker here - http://www.planewalker.com/portals/entry.php?intEntryID=9080 but am expecting that older sources may shed more light on them.

Could anyone provide links to good sources of information, or alternatively post material they know of (or tell me the book and page number and I can go bug my friends)?
#2

ripvanwormer

Apr 21, 2005 14:42:41
http://www.mimir.net/factions/athar.html

http://www.zachshuford.com/kriegstanz/athar.html
#3

ohtar_turinson

Apr 21, 2005 14:44:52
Your best bet is the old Planescape Boxed Set and the Factol's Manifesto. Both second edition products- if you don't have access you can get .pdfs cheap at RPGNow.com or SVGames.com (which is entirely legal, by the way).

Planewalker's PS3e has a section on the Athar post-faction war; go to http://www.planewalker.com/products/files/chapter3.pdf for their .pdf

Also- Don't trust the description in the Planar Handbook. Most of it is complete screed.
#4

Shemeska_the_Marauder

Apr 21, 2005 17:03:34
Factol's Manifesto was the best source of detail, though the Planewalker material captures the flavor pretty well, and so does Zach Schuford's page that Rip linked.
#5

andyr

Apr 21, 2005 20:32:57
Thanks for the links. One further question - Zach Shuford's site says the factol is Terrance, while Planewalker names one Jaya Forlorn in that position... Are these two different unofficial lines of thought, or is Terrance now deceased?

I was after the information for a character who believes the Powers are not worth worship and would agree with the Athar in that they are not true deities. However, the character is not as actively opposed to deities as the Athar writeups seem to be, and would probably not find much worth in the idea of a true Great Unknown God.

The character is from the Realms but travelled the Planes, residing in Sigil for a while, where his beliefs were solidified. Is there another faction, perhaps, which might better suit? mimir.net mentions the Believers of the Source, although reading that page I think perhaps the Athar are closer.
#6

Shemeska_the_Marauder

Apr 21, 2005 20:54:11
Thanks for the links. One further question - Zach Shuford's site says the factol is Terrance, while Planewalker names one Jaya Forlorn in that position... Are these two different unofficial lines of thought, or is Terrance now deceased?

Zach's site is partially his own stuff. Planewalker is post Faction War by about 5 years. Jaya Forlorn is the Athar's factol currently. Terrence was mazed by The Lady of Pain (along with most of the factols of the other factions) during the course of the Faction War. Terrence is still alive, not aging, just more or less out of the game unless he manages to find his way out or someone goes looking for him. [For reference, it took around 2000 years for Vartus Timlin, the former factol of the Expansionists, to get out of his maze, and he had outside help]
#7

andyr

Apr 21, 2005 21:03:56
Probably out of the picture for a little while, then. ;)
#8

ripvanwormer

Apr 21, 2005 23:43:22
I was after the information for a character who believes the Powers are not worth worship and would agree with the Athar in that they are not true deities. However, the character is not as actively opposed to deities as the Athar writeups seem to be, and would probably not find much worth in the idea of a true Great Unknown God.

The character is from the Realms but travelled the Planes, residing in Sigil for a while, where his beliefs were solidified. Is there another faction, perhaps, which might better suit? mimir.net mentions the Believers of the Source, although reading that page I think perhaps the Athar are closer.

Your character could fit in the Athar. Not all of the Defiers need to be as opposed to the gods as some are, and not all of them believe in the Great Unknown.

The Believers of the Source believe that anyone can become a god through discipline and reincarnation and that this is a admirable thing for everyone to attempt. As a result, many of them might think of the gods more as colleagues or future colleagues than as distant, all-powerful paragons of sacred holiness or holy sacredness. On the other hand, many Believers (or Godsmen) do think the gods are worth worshipping, and don't think the idea that mortal souls can eventually evolve to their heights trivializes them at all.

There are definitely places where the two factions overlap, and your character could belong to either.

The Sign of One, a faction that teaches each member that they created the multiverse within their own minds, is also prone to thinking of the gods more as colleagues than as masters, though some worship gods of creation. The Sign of One and the Believers of the Source joined together after the Faction War to form the Mind's Eye, or Seekers.

I wrote more about the Seekers, Signers, and Godsmen here: http://www.geocities.com/ripvanwormer/eye.html
#9

andyr

Apr 22, 2005 19:39:24
Thanks a lot. I may well stick with the Athar, then, at least for the present. Looking at the amount of info around it looks like it may be time to invest in some of those older .PDFs...