Dwarfling?

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#1

dawnstealer

Apr 23, 2005 11:16:04
Okay, not that it would happen, but could it?

In Verdant Passage, Yarig (dwarf) and Anezka (halfling) were unusually close. Could it have happened under the right circumstances? If so, what the hell would the goofy little bastard look like? What would the stat-line be?

+2 Dex, +2 Con, -2 Int, -2 Cha?

I don't know - I'm asking. :P
#2

Sysane

Apr 23, 2005 22:29:42
Hmmm..... what about a Kreenling?
#3

terminus_vortexa

Apr 23, 2005 23:08:34
sick, dude!
#4

squidfur-

Apr 23, 2005 23:35:22
Sick thing is i could actually see this happening (the dwarfling, not the thri-kreen one - which i think would be phisiologically (sp) impossible, but who knows). Especially when you consider that Anezka is still alive iirc. Didn't she stay behind at the end of that novel. Her realizing she was pregnant might explain why she was even more willing to stay.

As far as the actual game mechanics though...hmmm.

I think in the case of the offspring of Anezka ( hee hee, oh boy), I would probably gear the stats more toward the halfling.

Lets say:
* -2 Strength, +2 Constitution, +2 Dexterity, -2 Charisma: Like their halfling parents, dwarflings are built small, but quick. A dwarfling also has the stubborness of his dwarven parent. This inherited stubborness also leads dwarflings to perform amazing feats of endurance in completion of their goals.
* Small: Dwarflings gain a +1 size bonus to Armor class, a +1 size bonus on attack rolls, and a +4 size bonus on Hide checks, but they must use smaller weapons than humans use, and their lifting and carrying limits are three-quarters of those of a Medium character.
*Dwarflings base land speed is 20 feet.
*Darkvision: Dwarflings can see in the dark up to 60 feet. Darkvision is black and white only, but it is otherwise like normal sight, and dwarflings can function just fine with no light at all.
*+2 racial bonus on saving throws against spells and spell-like effects.
*+2 racial bonus on saving throws against poison.
*+1 racial attack bonus with a thrown weapon: javelins and slings are common weapons in feral halfling society, and dwarflings raised by halflings are taught to throw at an early age.
*+2 racial bonus on Listen: Dwarflings have keen ears, although not quite comparable to a halflings.
*Automatic Languages: Halfling. Bonus languages: Common, Dwarven, Elven, Gith, Rhul-Thaun, Thri-Kreen, Yuan-ti.
Favored Class: Ranger

Don't know probably too cheesy but we are talking dwarflings...
- go easy on me please

oh, and athas.org, pardon the word theft
#5

eric_anondson

Apr 24, 2005 0:37:53
Galaxy Quest moment:

"Oh! That's Not Right!"

;)
#6

jon_oracle_of_athas

Apr 24, 2005 7:20:48
I think Urgos made the same quote in Freedom when the nobles are thrown to the mob, except the grammar was more akin to "That not right!".

As for the dwarfling example, I would think the halfling mother in this case would have a fair chance of dying in labor.
#7

zombiegleemax

Apr 24, 2005 8:07:13
I just want to pipe in here and say that all the PC races in dark sun are essentially cousins of one-another. All the rebirth races ahre a common parent, and crossbreeding should be possible. On another note, it needn't necessarily be such a sick and disgusting thing. Taking that point of view isn't far removed from saying something similar about children of a asian mother and an african father.


I think the idea of crossbreeds on athas is a good one. Dwelf, Dwarfling, Mul, Elfling whatever you want (would a human-halfling be a quarterling? or manling?), I think they're perfectly acceptible. One of the three original designers mentioned how muls are the central idea of a good dark sun campaign, where they're such a hardly combination of traits but tragic in that they are also flawed to be unable to pass on a legacy (via their sterility) speaks of how crossbreeds are very much athasian in flavor: they will never be truly accepted into any society despite any advantages they may have. Nobody will understand them or what they go through in life, they will always be ridiculed and laughed at at best or despised and hated at worst.
#8

zombiegleemax

Apr 24, 2005 10:46:52
Okay, not that it would happen, but could it?

In Verdant Passage, Yarig (dwarf) and Anezka (halfling) were unusually close. Could it have happened under the right circumstances? If so, what the hell would the goofy little bastard look like? What would the stat-line be?

+2 Dex, +2 Con, -2 Int, -2 Cha?

I don't know - I'm asking. :P

Yeah baby I played one of these. For the rest of the stats, I chose them based upon how my dwarfling was raised. more dwarfish abilities like stone cunning if he was raised by dwarfs or atleast more prominately. I went with low light vision and the ability stats from both to balance it good.
#9

Sysane

Apr 24, 2005 11:30:49
Seriously.

I think Hybrid races are more apt to happen in DS due to the eviorment of the world. Most races other than human are not as abundant on Athas as they are on other worlds. Most of the non-human races were almost wiped out in the past. I would imagine that due to this, elves and dwarves breed with other humaniod/mammilan races in order to survive.

Granted, halflings are no doubt a liitle more abundant due to not being one of the races marked for genocide during the Cleansing Wars, so I would imagine that they would be a bit more selective and not as willing to breed with non-halflings. That, and they look at most non-halflings as a potental meal and food source. Think how willing you would be to date a cow or a chicken (Granted some here might not have a problem with that :P )

However, I think a dwarfling could happen under the right condintions as unlikely as that may seem. They certianly wouldn't be as common place as muls or half-elves though.
#10

dawnstealer

Apr 24, 2005 12:04:23
Yeah, I think the concept is fine, but should be left up to the DM's discretion. Nice job on the Dwarfling, by the way.

I think the following combinations should be possible (but obviously not very common):

(the names might need some work):

3/4ling (1/2 halfling, 1/2 human)

Dwelf (1/2 dwarf, 1/2 elf)

Dwarfling (1/2 dwarf, 1/2 halfling)

Elfling (1/2 elf, 1/2 halfling)

Thri-kreen, pterrans, and aarakocra are simply too different either because they are insects or reptiles or birds.
#11

murkaf

Apr 25, 2005 6:56:09
Thri-kreen, pterrans, and aarakocra are simply too different either because they are insects or reptiles or birds.

What about a Kenkukocra, or an Aaranku? (1/2 Aarakocra-1/2 Kenku)
#12

dawnstealer

Apr 25, 2005 13:35:08
I was sticking to the "normal" races, but you're right: they're both birds, so I guess it's technically possible. Kenku could even be mutated Aarakocra.
#13

murkaf

Apr 25, 2005 13:49:31
I was sticking to the "normal" races, but you're right: they're both birds, so I guess it's technically possible. Kenku could even be mutated Aarakocra.

Technically speaking, aren't Aarakocras and Lizardmen descended from Rhulisti? If so, they might be able to crossbreed with Halflings and any other of the Rebirth Races... with disturbing results.
I was under the impression that you needed to be descended from Halflings in order to get a Champion assigned to your race... but that's just an assumption on my part.
#14

dawnstealer

Apr 25, 2005 14:04:26
Yeah, but the Pristine Tower didn't just mutate them, it fundamentally changed them into something else. In Amber Enchantress, that reptile-elf guy was half turned into a tree. It would be hard to mate with a tree.
#15

murkaf

Apr 25, 2005 14:08:23
Yeah, but the Pristine Tower didn't just mutate them, it fundamentally changed them into something else. In Amber Enchantress, that reptile-elf guy was half turned into a tree. It would be hard to mate with a tree.

Even harder to produce offspring. :D

Didn't you watch V??? They had a human crossbreeding with a lizard invader and giving birth to a live offspring. [/spoiler]
#16

terminus_vortexa

Apr 25, 2005 15:02:02
Yeah, but the Pristine Tower didn't just mutate them, it fundamentally changed them into something else. In Amber Enchantress, that reptile-elf guy was half turned into a tree. It would be hard to mate with a tree.

Not to split hairs with a chainsaw, but a change on a fundamental level due to an outside force is pretty close to the definition of mutation, if not right on. If the Pristine Tower manifested permanent changes in a living thing, that's a mutation. *raises tower shield and manifests mind-blade, preparing for the assault* :fight!:
#17

dawnstealer

Apr 25, 2005 15:08:50
True, but "mutation" also means frogs with shorter or missing limbs, NOT frogs turning into shrubs. ;P
#18

terminus_vortexa

Apr 25, 2005 15:14:34
Understood. Maybe 'Controlled Mutation' or 'Directed Mutation'? And I cite the example of the Teenage MUTANT Ninja Turtles!!!! :D
#19

dawnstealer

Apr 25, 2005 16:14:27
Hmmm... touche.
#20

ruhl-than_sage

Apr 25, 2005 23:26:56
Mutation on a grand enough scale over time, leads to evolution of seperate species (along with other factors and concepts that I will spare you). It's really up to you wether you want to let various races breed, personally I wouldn't let Dwarves and Elves breed, they are far too different. I like the Elfling and Dwarfling though.
#21

lyric

Apr 26, 2005 2:03:34
Mutation would be to take one creature, and make it a sterile something else.. to create something capable of offspring with another of its kind.. that's evolution :P with a jump ;)