* * * Wizards Community Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : A Credit To What Came Before Started at 09-14-03 08:21 AM by Yuffie Visit at http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=99353 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Author : Yuffie Date : 09-14-03 08:21 AM Thread Title : A Credit To What Came Before As I mentioned in another thread, I started seriously RP'ing (unless you count running homebrew 'campaigns' in Heroquest) during the heyday of AD&D 2nd Edition. Yet, after recently browsing over some of the older stuff (like, 1e material and modules)... I've really found a lot of inspiration for my current, 3.5 D&D campaigns. Great plot hooks, great traps, great lore that was apparently omitted in later versions. I'm not saying that I like any edition the best (or any RPG the best for that matter)... but, they just don't make dungeons like they used to, do they? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Author : sandskimmer Date : 09-14-03 01:19 PM No they don't. Each edition seems to have its own flavor to it. New people are brought in, old people leave for a number of reasons... It all adds up to different people with different ideas and attitudes using different rules or variations thereof. Each game, or incarnation thereof are going to have different feels to them. That's why I always try to keep all my old edition stuff. I go back through it from time to time and always get ideas for my new campaign. Plus, the backgroud/story material from older editions is always usable with the newer stuff. I've never understood people who sell/trade all their old stuff the instant a new edition comes out. Several weeks/months later they seem to all be asking, "In x edition they had y, and I really want the new stats/story behind it for my new campaign. Does somebody know where I can find this?" If they'd just kept their old stuff, it wouldn't be an issue for them, now would it? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Author : Yuffie Date : 09-14-03 01:27 PM I still have most all of my AD&D 2nd Ed stuff. Heck, I'd keep the PHB just for that picture on the opening page with the adventuring company and the green dragon hatchling. That picture alone made my fall in love with D&D. I did however sell my 3.0 core rulebooks, now that 3.5 is out. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Author : sandskimmer Date : 09-15-03 06:02 PM I'd keep the PHB just for that picture on the opening page with the adventuring company and the green dragon hatchling. Would that be the 1st printing of the 2ed PHB? Because I only have the revised edition PHB, & there is no such pic. Instead, it has a giant fish about to swallow a party making its way through the ocean depths in a wizard's globe of air (or some such thing). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Author : Yuffie Date : 09-16-03 12:22 AM Yeah, the one with the knight on horseback charging with sword raised high. The second printing (the one with the black cover and, as I recall, someone kicking down a door) had much wose artwork as a general rule, imo. It's one of Larry Elmore's works I think. Beautiful, beautiful picture. http://members.fortunecity.com/mrmagoo/elmore/elmore25.jpg This one's a little small though. The name is "Dragon Slayers and Proud of It". -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Author : spray paint affiliate Date : 09-16-03 05:04 AM Originally posted by Yuffie http://members.fortunecity.com/mrmagoo/elmore/elmore25.jpg *checks out picture* nice to see the karma police out on patrol....... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Author : sandskimmer Date : 09-16-03 12:34 PM Elmore is/was one of the best fantasy artists ever. It's a shame you don't still see his art in D&D. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 8] Author : Yuffie Date : 09-16-03 03:35 PM I agree. I've considered ripping the pages out of my 3.5 books and putting them in a 3-ring binder, and inserting pics of D'terlizzi (sp?), Elmore, and Brom intermittently. I do have to say that I like the fact that D'twhatsis still does the occasional bit of art, and I do love some of the new artists' works. The extra, added art for the 3.5 Monster Manual is almost universally gorgeous. AD&D 2nd Ed had a few stinkers. I still can't bring myself to look at one particular picture in The Complete Ninja's Handbook. :sad: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 9] Author : sandskimmer Date : 09-16-03 10:43 PM Now you've done it! I had to go scoure through my Ninja's Handbook. Couldn't say that I found any bad art there, though. At least none of the color art. The balck & whites weren't all that, but none were really too terrible. Now this little beholder emoticon :behold: ; That's bad art... :D -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 10] Author : Yuffie Date : 09-16-03 11:41 PM It's the one of the Monk doing the high-kick. I think it's at the very back. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 11] Author : MerricB Date : 09-17-03 02:16 AM Thread Title : Re: A Credit To What Came Before Originally posted by Yuffie As I mentioned in another thread, I started seriously RP'ing (unless you count running homebrew 'campaigns' in Heroquest) during the heyday of AD&D 2nd Edition. Yet, after recently browsing over some of the older stuff (like, 1e material and modules)... I've really found a lot of inspiration for my current, 3.5 D&D campaigns. Great plot hooks, great traps, great lore that was apparently omitted in later versions. I'm not saying that I like any edition the best (or any RPG the best for that matter)... but, they just don't make dungeons like they used to, do they? Oh, they do still come up with great stuff, just not often. :) Have you checked out any of the modules that Necromancer Games put out? They're the best selling of the non-WotC/non-Dungeons module, and there's a good reason for that. Rich Redman (once of WotC, now of the Game Mechanics) recently wrote an article on the GM site about why adventures don't sell. Then Orcus (Clark Peterson, head of NG) wrote a rebuttal on the ENworlds boards - it's really great reading. Definitely worth it for all would-be commercial adventure designers. Cheers! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 12] Author : The MadStepDad Date : 09-17-03 09:57 AM Thread Title : Re: A Credit To What Came Before Originally posted by Yuffie they just don't make dungeons like they used to, do they? No, they make it BETTER. Anybody taken the time to peek at some of the new 3E Ravenloft products? Those are great READS, never mind just gaming accessories. They're madd entertaining and inspirational. However, I will agree that certain 1E and almost ALL 2E products are real tight, too. With modifications they can be placed into any ongoing 3E campaign. But for the most part, Ravenloft 3E has the best stuff I've seen in a while. http://boards1.wizards.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=293 That's my current Ravenloft campaign, unfolding as we speak. C'mon down and say hello. peace, MSD -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Downloaded from Wizards Community (http://forums.gleemax.com) at 05-10-08 08:17 AM.