who makes the new dl campaign setting

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#1

zombiegleemax

Jun 10, 2005 10:30:25
Does wotc make dl books or does the sove. stone do it?????
#2

cam_banks

Jun 10, 2005 10:41:30
WOTC publishes the core Dragonlance Campaign Setting book, although Sovereign Press wrote it.

Sovereign Press writes and publishes the rest.

And trim your sig, dude, it's huge.

Cheers,
Cam
#3

morgion-s_claw

Jun 10, 2005 10:42:36
WotC produced the DLCS (even though Sovereign Press did the most of work in there), retained the rights for the DL Novels and licensed Sovereign Press to produce new DL game materials as d20 (OGL I think) in the future.
So basically:
WotC = novels
SovPress = RPG-material

That should be the answer you seek

BTW, have a look at www.dragonlance.com, now home of the official website of Dragonlance game products, run by SovPress

Regards,
M's Claw
#4

clarkvalentine

Jun 10, 2005 11:37:22
(WOTC) licensed Sovereign Press to produce new DL game materials as d20 (OGL I think) in the future.

SovPress Dragonlance products aren't released under OGL, nor do they contain any open content. They're licensed directly by WOTC. (Cam or Dragonhelm, correct me if I'm wrong.)
#5

cam_banks

Jun 10, 2005 12:24:11
SovPress Dragonlance products aren't released under OGL, nor do they contain any open content. They're licensed directly by WOTC. (Cam or Dragonhelm, correct me if I'm wrong.)

Correct. None of the material is Open Game Content.

Cheers,
Cam
#6

morgion-s_claw

Jun 10, 2005 12:39:15
Ah, okay, wasn't sure about it...
But I thought that besides the DL license the d20 system (to be used for the DL material) was OGC/L... But I checked it in AoM: No OGC.

The major difference being the quality standards one has to comply with granted the d20-license (with the duty to provide WotC with copies of all published material) while the OGL doesn't include it...

Regards,
M's CLaw, reveling in this IP issue for no good reason
#7

clarkvalentine

Jun 10, 2005 13:08:00
Well, it's more than that.

A game bearing the d20 logo must comform to certain standards - I believe it must get approval from WOTC, you must reference the Player's Handbook, you can't include certain rules (like the XP chart) that aren't in the SRD. "d20" is a trademark owned by WOTC, and to use it and the red & white d20 logo you must get their approval.

You can release pretty much anything under the OGL. It doesn't have to be anything remotely related to d20 (although most games released OGL are similar to d20 and use material from the SRD). You could release rules for checkers under the OGL. Or you could release something like the Conan RPG, which is almost - but not quite - exactly like D&D d20. And something released with the OGL doesn't necessarily have to be Open Gaming Content - only those parts that you borrowed from other OGL sources must be OGC (and they had to be designated OGC by their authors for you to legally borrow them).
#8

ranger_reg

Jun 11, 2005 4:36:49
Well, it's more than that.

A game bearing the d20 logo must comform to certain standards - I believe it must get approval from WOTC, you must reference the Player's Handbook, you can't include certain rules (like the XP chart) that aren't in the SRD. "d20" is a trademark owned by WOTC, and to use it and the red & white d20 logo you must get their approval.

Actually, you don't need approval from WotC if you're using the royalty-free d20 System Trademark License. All you need to do to slap the square label is to follow said license and the d20 Trademark Logo Guide. In fact, it is in said guide that you cannot include a character creaion and level advancement rule (though you could provide an XP chart, you just cannot explain how the chart is used for level advancement).

It is also in said guide that the Covered Product must contain at least 5% OGC. So, it is a safe assumption that you're gonna need to apply OGL alongside with the d20STL.

As a courtesy, you could fill out and send a confirmation card (you can download along with the license and guide) to WotC, in case your Covered Product is violating the terms outlined in both the license and guide, so they can notify you quickly (and begin the 30-day "cure" period for you to correct the violations).


You can release pretty much anything under the OGL. It doesn't have to be anything remotely related to d20 (although most games released OGL are similar to d20 and use material from the SRD). You could release rules for checkers under the OGL. Or you could release something like the Conan RPG, which is almost - but not quite - exactly like D&D d20.

Well, almost anything. Any Product Identity and/or Trademarks owned by someone other than yourself cannot be used unless you have permission from owner/author.


And something released with the OGL doesn't necessarily have to be Open Gaming Content - only those parts that you borrowed from other OGL sources must be OGC (and they had to be designated OGC by their authors for you to legally borrow them).

IMHO, it would be redundant to apply OGL to a Covered Product that does not contain OGC. Like applying bandage to a healthy person without any injury.
#9

clarkvalentine

Jun 11, 2005 7:30:52
Actually, you don't need approval from WotC if you're using the royalty-free d20 System Trademark License. All you need to do to slap the square label is to follow said license and the d20 Trademark Logo Guide.

*nods enthusiastically* Ranger knows his stuff.

IMHO, it would be redundant to apply OGL to a Covered Product that does not contain OGC. Like applying bandage to a healthy person without any injury.

True, but what I meant was to emphasize that many OGL products aren't 100% OGC. Just because there's a copy of the OGL in the back doesn't mean everything in the book is fair game.
#10

morgion-s_claw

Jun 11, 2005 8:05:34
OGL/OGC
All I said was specifically for the parts of the Rule system d20 used following the d20 Trademark License (therefore using the d20 system which is the base but not identical with the OGC/SRD rules, having to secure a certain quality - this duty is included in the License - and having to procure WotC with copied of published stuff) or the OGL which leaves more "freedom" but grants not the use of the Logo.
The respect for other's IP used alongside with the d20TL or OGL is due in any case..



Regards,
M's Claw
#11

ferratus

Jun 12, 2005 23:24:43
Correct. None of the material is Open Game Content.

Does this mean I can be sued for putting material up on the web (aside from dl3e.com) that uses the rules, prestige classes, monsters etc. from official dragonlance materials? Or does this mean that I simply can't use dragonlance materials in products which I sell? I've always been a little fuzzy on the OGL dividing line.
#12

clarkvalentine

Jun 13, 2005 8:49:25
Does this mean I can be sued for putting material up on the web (aside from dl3e.com) that uses the rules, prestige classes, monsters etc. from official dragonlance materials? Or does this mean that I simply can't use dragonlance materials in products which I sell? I've always been a little fuzzy on the OGL dividing line.

Anything published as "Open Game Content" with the OGL can be re-used in another product, provided a) that product is also licensed with the OGL, and b) proper credit is given to the original work. Note that just because a game book carries the OGL doesn't mean that everything inside is Open Game Content - part of the license is that Open Game Content must be clearly marked.

As far as I know no Sovereign Press Dragonlance material is Open Game Content, thus it's protected by the same copyright rules as any other proprietary IP. These rules are notoriously and frustratingly vague.
#13

morgion-s_claw

Jun 13, 2005 9:23:35
... same copyright rules as any other proprietary IP. These rules are notoriously and frustratingly vague.

Well, they aren't that vague, they are straight and clear
"You may do everything you're entitled to do by explicit consent of the owner that is if you're not entitled to use it without explicit consent as a result of your professional intent e.g. journalist, scientific examamination etc. or if despite the concrete and perpetual knowledge of the owner of the use one may be lead to rightly assume the implicit consent of the owner"

Now everything is clear and everyone knows his place!
[that was sarcastic]

Regards,
M's Claw, I couldn't resist
#14

ranger_reg

Jun 14, 2005 3:10:23
True, but what I meant was to emphasize that many OGL products aren't 100% OGC. Just because there's a copy of the OGL in the back doesn't mean everything in the book is fair game.

Yeah, but if there is no OGC (zero, nada, zip) in said book, why apply the OGL? Additional protection, as if the applied Copyright Protection Law is not enough?

;)

In any case, all of the new Dragonlance supplementary books put out by Sovereign Press contains no OGC and therefore no OGL is attached to any of them.

P.S. Cam, I want my "Dragonlance: Knights & Nobles" book, puh-weese with Splenda? :D
#15

clarkvalentine

Jun 14, 2005 8:20:25
Yeah, but if there is no OGC (zero, nada, zip) in said book, why apply the OGL? Additional protection, as if the applied Copyright Protection Law is not enough?

What I mean is that many game books have a mix of OGC and regular proprietary content. Just because you see a copy of the OGL in the back doesn't mean every word of the book is fair game, only the parts clearly marked as such.

And yes, if there's no OGC there's little point in using the OGL.
#16

ranger_reg

Jun 14, 2005 15:18:18
Then we are in agreement. :D