Other than shadow giants, what other followers would Rajaat have working for him in order to do his bidding from outside the Hollow on present day Athas? Are there any? Are they aware that they are even working for the Warbringer?
Thoughts comments?
Okay people, time for a thread that isn't PrC related.
Other than shadow giants, what other followers would Rajaat have working for him in order to do his bidding from outside the Hollow on present day Athas? Are there any? Are they aware that they are even working for the Warbringer?
Thoughts comments?
Is there going to be a PrC on this later?
I would have to say that unless Rajaat has some very secret plan and some location or person under a temporal stasis, then he would have almost nothing in the way of allies in the world today.
The only two that I could think of off hand would be Tristian (spelling) and the emprisoned SK of Balic, with the latter being influenced while in the Black and perhaps the Shadow Wizards and Shadow Templars.
Is there going to be a PrC on this later?
I would have to say that unless Rajaat has some very secret plan and some location or person under a temporal stasis, then he would have almost nothing in the way of allies in the world today.
The only two that I could think of off hand would be Tristian (spelling) and the emprisoned SK of Balic, with the latter being influenced while in the Black and perhaps the Shadow Wizards and Shadow Templars.
Interesting about the Andropinis/Rajaat theory. If I were to go along with your idea, I'd like to think that it was Rajaat pretending to be Andro in order to dupe the shadow wizards/templars into doing his bidding and that Andro himself was incapacitated in some way.
I would like to believe that in this matter- ajaat has found a new means of conducting the energy of the Black to fuel the spells of those he grants spells to under the guise of Andropinis.
Of course, it very well might be that Andy is working willingly to aid the War Bringer in hopes of returning to Athas and try to betray Rajaat once again.
"The plot thickens and the screen fades to black"
To allow that theory to work- one would have to venture a guess as to how Rajaat is able to grant spells! Could it be that he has taken control of the LV that is attached to Andropinis or has found another means to channel the 'divine' energy of the Black to those templars whom ask for spells.
I would like to believe that in this matter- ajaat has found a new means of conducting the energy of the Black to fuel the spells of those he grants spells to under the guise of Andropinis.
Well, under the shadows wizard and shadow templar PrC's it states that they draw their power directly from the Black itself, not thru Andro's LV. So that right there would support your theory.
Of course, it very well might be that Andy is working willingly to aid the War Bringer in hopes of returning to Athas and try to betray Rajaat once again.
That is very likely as well. Granted, I don't see Rajaat being that gullible as to be tricked by one of his students a second time.
As far as other minions, I want to really keep it to the Rhulisti-Shadow giants he has hanging around in the Black.
I might venture to say that there are probably agents of the same cult on the outside as well. Rhulisti that are still Rhulisti, Rhul-than that have stumbled upon some "sacred texts" of Rajaat and now there is a small faction of them in a cult of Rajaat worshippers.
Though I would imagine that if there are any surviving Rhulisti today that weren't mutated into the Athasian Halfling or Rhul-than, or if you follow the myth that the life benders were all turned into Zik-chil, then they would be life-benders. Though not as powerful as the ones from the Green Age obviously. You could treat it the same way life-shaping is treated currently, an ancient art that has lost some of its power.
That's just a few ramblings anyways, I'm a big Rajaat freak, so I will probably ponder it more, especially since I want to start working on that backstory of Rajaat I was working on before I fell into an internet blackhole and all that jazz.
How about this- the life-shaper keen in the Empire
Well, if you follow the myth, then they would be life-benders, not shapers, sublte but important difference.
I like where you are going though.
Random, but a neat idea IMO :D
Random, but a neat idea IMO :D
Indeed. I was pondering the same thing.
Well, if you follow the myth, then they would be life-benders, not shapers, sublte but important difference.
I like where you are going though.
Sorry- I am currently at work (don't tell). I have the material but have not delved into in lately.
I would say that the Messenger and the three Rhulisti idea has merit- they would be the most likely living today to want to see the return of Rajaat and the Blue Age and halfling rule once again.
BTW- has anything been done to perhaps stat out the three Rhulisti? I think it would be a cool time to have and kick around.
I've long supported the theory that the kreen were changed from their winged primitive form into present day kreen by the Rhulisti of the Blue Age to serve as a slave race. It could be that the Rhulisti from the Messenger knows of a long lost item that helped them keep control of the Kreen back in the Blue Age.
With this item (which I try to tie to the Psionatrix) the "Rouge Rhulisti" could reasserts control over the peoples of the Kreen Empire in order to conquer Athas and free Rajaat.
BTW- has anything been done to perhaps stat out the three Rhulisti? I think it would be a cool time to have and kick around.
I plan to in the lifeshaped project I will be starting work on soon.
I would say that the Messenger and the three Rhulisti idea has merit- they would be the most likely living today to want to see the return of Rajaat and the Blue Age and halfling rule once again.
I like to think that the three Rhulisti would have very different agendas from each other.
I like to think that the three Rhulisti would have very different agendas from each other.
Nice- but I do not think it would be as drastic as 1 good, 1 neutral, 1 evil. They (I think) were banished, so I would think all of them or a majority would be either strongly evil or true neutral and more or less amoral.
maybe one would journey to an old location and awaken some old life-shaped creature (a tarrasque or a pack of them :evillaugh ) and begin the eventual removal of all life so they could start over, while the others sought more cunning and manipulative means of regaining their power.
Nice- but I do not think it would be as drastic as 1 good, 1 neutral, 1 evil. They (I think) were banished, so I would think all of them or a majority would be either strongly evil or true neutral and more or less amoral.
They may have been banished for having radical points of view which differed greatly from rest of Rhulisti society and not necessarily for being "evil".
I think having a evil, good, and neutral Rhulisti running around present day Athas would make for an interesting campaign and would shake things up quite a bit.
As far as the awakening thing that Kath mentioned, if you remember from the Prism Pentad series, there was an area underground that held Rhulisti in a sort of suspended animation (even though one did wake up and looked at Sadira). Now whether these Rhulisti are life-shapers or life-benders is up to the individual DM, but I think it would be cool to have them be what is left of the life-benders, or even better, they are life-shapers, but they have changed their viewpoint some once they see what has happened to Athas and aren't as benevolent as they were during the Green Age.
As far as the awakening thing that Kath mentioned, if you remember from the Prism Pentad series, there was an area underground that held Rhulisti in a sort of suspended animation (even though one did wake up and looked at Sadira). Now whether these Rhulisti are life-shapers or life-benders is up to the individual DM, but I think it would be cool to have them be what is left of the life-benders, or even better, they are life-shapers, but they have changed their viewpoint some once they see what has happened to Athas and aren't as benevolent as they were during the Green Age.
Hmmmm, which book in PP was that in? I'm re-reading the series and I'm currently on book 3, The Amber Enchantress. I want to make sure I don't miss it.
Hmmmm, which book in PP was that in? I'm re-reading the series and I'm currently on book 3, The Amber Enchantress. I want to make sure I don't miss it.
I'm not 100% sure, but I do believe it is the current one you are reading.
Those that know the answer to this please correct me if I am wrong.
). The site in question is just below Cleft Rock, Sadira's last stop before the Pristine Tower.Those were rock solid new concepts that resolved some inconsistencies.
then with kevin melka's idea of the messenger holding 3 "rhulisti" i thought it was obvious that one of them was the rhul-thaun high lord of thamasku who had found the two rhulisti and inadvertantly joined them on their messenger craft. when they came back to athas he wanted to return to thamasku for whatever reason. maybe he actually woke up early or they all did and he escaped the messenger via a craft that crashed to athas far to the west, the impact being the cause for the great quake. then he trekked to the jagged cliffs region to warn the rhul-thaun there of coming change. meanwhile the two rhulisti remained in the messenger in geo-sync orbit out of view from the rest of athas until they return a year or two after dregoth's coruscation date.
them's mine thoughts.
I think if you look at the timeline the messenger first appear shortly after the rhul-thaun high lord disappears from the jagged cliffs region on his quest to find remaining rhulisti. then in one of the adventure hooks for windirders of the jagged cliffs he returns and needs to reach thamasku.
then with kevin melka's idea of the messenger holding 3 "rhulisti" i thought it was obvious that one of them was the rhul-thaun high lord of thamasku who had found the two rhulisti and inadvertantly joined them on their messenger craft. when they came back to athas he wanted to return to thamasku for whatever reason. maybe he actually woke up early or they all did and he escaped the messenger via a craft that crashed to athas far to the west, the impact being the cause for the great quake. then he trekked to the jagged cliffs region to warn the rhul-thaun there of coming change. meanwhile the two rhulisti remained in the messenger in geo-sync orbit out of view from the rest of athas until they return a year or two after dregoth's coruscation date.
Hmmmm, I like that rhul-thaun highlord tie in. I may have to use that in some way.
they are a bit different.... as all are born as halflings..... they evolve over time through racial class and PrC's along with lifeshaped items.
During the cleansing war they helped rajaat.....
just in my campaign.
Personally I have the yuan ti empires have worked with Rajaat in the past..... as Yuan ti in my campaign are actually halflings that lifeshape into reptilian forms..... not humans cursed into it.
they are a bit different.... as all are born as halflings..... they evolve over time through racial class and PrC's along with lifeshaped items.
During the cleansing war they helped rajaat.....
just in my campaign.
Interesting twist.
I had it that the yaun ti along with snake-headed giants (called the Slethern) enslaved the dwarves shortly after the Rebirth races emerged from the Pristine Tower.