http://athas.org/releases/prc/Prestigeclasses3_5.pdf
I decided a while back I want appendix 2 to be a community project based on community contributions in the form of prestige classes rather than just discussion and feedback on my own work.
I've seen some fairly good writeups these last months and it has been years since the community last embraced a full project - Villages of the Wastes. My role will primarily be changed from designer to editor for appendix 2, and I look forward to embracing a project that could bring the members of our already friendly community even closer, both to each other and to athas.org.
The timeframe of appendix 2 hasn't been set, since the project depends on community contributions. I will provide some guidelines for contributions soon to make the process more efficient.
Basically, post a full prestige class draft in a separate thread on the boards, where it will be subjected to feedback. Edit your class accordingly, and after a couple of more rounds of feedback and changes (at least one week, preferably longer), then when you're certain everything is good and not subject to more changes - send the class to me at [email]jon@athas.org[/email] for final approval.
Currently my mailbox contains up to three or four versions of classes people have sent me - that's too many. Despite your eagerness, restrain yourselves. As editor I maintain the rights to modify certain elements of a class, and the less I have to change the better.
What has changed on this release? Spelling and formatting?
Lack of bookmarks
Lack of bookmarks
Can't blame me for that one, I didn't make the PDF. Gab, a version with bookmarks? Or just send me the raw word doc ...
Can't blame me for that one, I didn't make the PDF. Gab, a version with bookmarks? Or just send me the raw word doc ...
The table of contents entries are linked to the individual prcs, but actual bookmarks make for much easier navigation (aren't I whiny this morning
)Basically, post a full prestige class draft in a separate thread on the boards, where it will be subjected to feedback. Edit your class accordingly, and after a couple of more rounds of feedback and changes (at least one week, preferably longer), then when you're certain everything is good and not subject to more changes - send the class to me at [email]jon@athas.org[/email] for final approval.
Currently my mailbox contains up to three or four versions of classes people have sent me - that's too many. Despite your eagerness, restrain yourselves. As editor I maintain the rights to modify certain elements of a class, and the less I have to change the better.
Might I suggest an alternative to sending things to you over email?
it's the nature of things like this to want to go back and tweak them after you thought you were already done; that's why you've got so many in your inbox.
What if the wiki (http://athas.org/wiki/) were used for submission, instead of your inbox? Initial hashing gets done here, and then when the author is satisfied (usually when he mails you the first time) they copy it over onto a page on the wiki, and categorize it (use some special category tag to indicate that this is a done, submitted, PrC) ... then you, me, or anybody else can go and see an up-to-the minute list of what PrCs the authors consider submission worthy, without any big fuss. And if the author later decides that an edit is necessary, they can just go in and do so. previous revisions are kept, your inbox doesn't get flooded every time someone adjusts spelling, and the entire process is open. People can see what we do and don't have, and can fill in blanks, or offer improvements if they happen to come along later. Everything's automatically indexed, and it doesn't scroll off the bottom of the page if it hasn't been touched in a while.
And because I do think that I can make this work, Jon, send me the submissions that you have, and I'll seed the wiki with them -- both so that there's stuff there, and so that I can demonstrate what I'm talking about.
Shouldn't there be a Druid class feature requirement?
As it is, one of my player's NE Egoist qualifies for the class.
(He helped Korungard in Desverendi's Valley and is associated with a Preserver, and now Desverendi considers him as a person to be trusted)
Sacrifice (Su): If someone defiles on her guarded lands, the grove master can react to protect her lands through sacrificing part of her own life force. This nullifies a wizard’s defiling radius and any effects it entails, including those of Raze feats. The druid loses 1 hit point per 5 feet of defiling radius nullified.
So, if I enter the class as a Ranger, I don't loose Hit Points when nullifying a defiler radius...
Might need to be rephrased.
Can't blame me for that one, I didn't make the PDF. Gab, a version with bookmarks? Or just send me the raw word doc ...
Oops... my mistake. Flip, I just sent you a PDF with bookmarks.
Oops... my mistake. Flip, I just sent you a PDF with bookmarks.
Check. I'll have it posted tonight.
What if the wiki (http://athas.org/wiki/) were used for submission, instead of your inbox?
If people would use it, yes, but it would also represent a version inconsistency issue if the author edited something after I put it into the prestige class doc. Though maybe the wiki is the way to go if people will use it.
Arena Champion requirements:
In 3.5 you have to specify in which Perform you are putting ranks. Either change the prerequisite to Perform (Any)or state the type of performance required.
Psionick Monk Unlock Feat: Expertise is no longer in 3.5
Its called Combat Expertise now, but I doubt many people will be confused about that one ;)
Well, I actually thought they might've meant Empower Spell or something. Jeez!!! :D
Arena Champion requirements:
In 3.5 you have to specify in which Perform you are putting ranks. Either change the prerequisite to Perform (Any)or state the type of performance required.
Corrected to (any)
Psionick Monk Unlock Feat: Expertise is no longer in 3.5
Corrected to Combat Expertise.
Grove Master Requirements:
Added Wild Shape class feature to requirements.
Might need to be rephrased.
Done.
If people would use it, yes, but it would also represent a version inconsistency issue if the author edited something after I put it into the prestige class doc. Though maybe the wiki is the way to go if people will use it.
Oh, like we've never had to errata a doc before ....
Multiple source errata is something we both try to avoid, right, Flip? :P
Yes. DRY (Don't Repeat Yourself) But, we'll also have a recording of every change made to the doc. We leave the source doc alone when making adjustments, and update it only when we're about to publish an update.
If people would use it, yes
Maybe we need a new sticky requesting people add their PrC's, etc to the Wiki?
That is just my two bits though.
http://athas.org/releases/prc/Prestigeclasses3_5.pdf
So, um, yeah. updated. You might want to download again if you care about silly things like bookmarks in PDFs. Yeah.
Maybe I am too thick in the head, but I really do not understand the hows of posting items to the wiki. I do not know if I would be able to do it- I have some very limited computer skills. I like using the message board to post the material I make because it is really easy to post and edit as I want. I am not saying that the wiki is a bad idea, but unless someone else will post my material (like flip did with the Janissary) then I do not know if I would be able to submit anything of the wiki.
An argument against using the WIKI is that it would restrict the material to those who know how to use it. On the boards here its easier to find things for newbies to WIKIs and more people will find it here due to the sheer amount of visitors to the boards - plus you can always edit your posts and keep updated here as well.
An argument against using the WIKI is that it would restrict the material to those who know how to use it. On the boards here its easier to find things for newbies to WIKIs and more people will find it here due to the sheer amount of visitors to the boards - plus you can always edit your posts and keep updated here as well.
Have you looked at the editing system for the wiki yet? There are buttons, just like on the boards. It's no more or less compilicated than what exists on the boards, and there's a big friggin "edit" link at the top of every page.
The difference is, things roll off the boards. I'm suggesting it as a location for permanance, not as a central discussion site.
Just out of curiosity, why does the Black Cossak PrC recieve an increase to spellcasting levels if the Templar in Tyr lose their divine spells?
For those campaigns ran prior to the death of Kalak.
Have you looked at the editing system for the wiki yet? There are buttons, just like on the boards. It's no more or less compilicated than what exists on the boards, and there's a big friggin "edit" link at the top of every page.
The difference is, things roll off the boards. I'm suggesting it as a location for permanance, not as a central discussion site.
Another thing he doesn't point out is that Wikis have a search function too, unlike the message boards here ;)
New, and improved! Now with the fun flavor of bookmarks! Be the first on your block to click on each one!
http://athas.org/releases/prc/Prestigeclasses3_5.pdf
So, um, yeah. updated. You might want to download again if you care about silly things like bookmarks in PDFs. Yeah.
Thanks Flip! I'll stop whinning now :D
Have you looked at the editing system for the wiki yet? There are buttons, just like on the boards. It's no more or less compilicated than what exists on the boards, and there's a big friggin "edit" link at the top of every page.
I was quoting another board member who obviously didn't see the WIKI as user friendly as you do. No, I haven't looked at the editing system - the functionality is not my issue with a WIKI. It is the fact that people will have to check yet another source - one that will be unknown to many fans, especially newcomers.
The difference is, things roll off the boards. I'm suggesting it as a location for permanance, not as a central discussion site.
That is a valid point, especially while the Search Function isn't available here.