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#1 zombiegleemax Jul 22, 2005 15:33:34	In our DS campaign we allow lycanthropes. The only change (other than athasian animals) is DR 10/silver to DR 10/obsidian. When adding the changes from the dragon metamorphosis spells to which form would you add the alterations and size increases. One of our group (were-jaguar) is getting ready to make the change to dragon. Our general consensus is to apply the changes to the animal form. This would work well except for the size changes which will make it more than one size larger than the humanoid (halfling)form. Any suggestions?
#2 ruhl-than_sage Jul 22, 2005 15:51:55	doesn't the innate shapesifting ability become kind of moot at that point? I'm sure if this character has made it all the way to the point of becoming a dragon that they can shapesift in a number of different ways. I wouldn't worry about a little restriction like that if you are already allowing your characters to play Halfling-Werejaguar Dragons. Personally I would add the alterations and size increses to both forms, but do it however you like. I think you are operating in unexplored territory there.
#3 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Jul 22, 2005 16:13:14	In our DS campaign we allow lycanthropes. The only change (other than athasian animals) is DR 10/silver to DR 10/obsidian. When adding the changes from the dragon metamorphosis spells to which form would you add the alterations and size increases. One of our group (were-jaguar) is getting ready to make the change to dragon. Our general consensus is to apply the changes to the animal form. This would work well except for the size changes which will make it more than one size larger than the humanoid (halfling)form. Any suggestions? The problem is that the character, upon casting the 1st stage spell, has its' type changed to Dragon. Subtypes from before are lost, and the character no longer is lycanthropic.
#4 zombiegleemax Jul 22, 2005 16:33:56	The problem is that the character, upon casting the 1st stage spell, has its' type changed to Dragon. Subtypes from before are lost, and the character no longer is lycanthropic. So humanoids and all other races lose the racial abilities they start with? (Lowlight vision, dwarven focus, racial hit dice, ability score modifiers, etc, etc, etc...)Seems kind of like a raw deal. Making all dragons virtually identical to each other.
#5 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Jul 22, 2005 18:16:23	So humanoids and all other races lose the racial abilities they start with? (Lowlight vision, dwarven focus, racial hit dice, ability score modifiers, etc, etc, etc...)Seems kind of like a raw deal. Making all dragons virtually identical to each other. Not what I said at all, but I do see your point. The problem is -- you are asking for some rules clarification for a change you had done personally to the setting. As such, you are asking for someone else to fill in the gaps that your own alteration had caused. Personally, I don't allow lycanthropy in any way, shape, or form (pun unintended there) in my Dark Sun. Make a judgement call on how you want it to work, and stick with it. That's part of the fun of being a DM
#6 zombiegleemax Jul 22, 2005 18:36:57	Not my alteration. This was a decision made by the group before I joined. I'm just trying make this change workable with what you more creative folks have made. (I like the dark sun conversion you folks have done. It's a good balance of the original and 3.5 rules.) I just want to figure it out before I take over the game. Good help is always appreciated.
#7 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Jul 22, 2005 19:19:53	Honestly, I see good and bad points from either decision on this, and am not seeing a clear position that would be better - either make the animal forms be increased in size, or don't. Sorry I can't be any more help.
#8 zombiegleemax Jul 22, 2005 19:41:06	I'm going to rule that the animal form gates the ability modifiers and all other changes with one exception. The base form will increase in size until it is within one size level of the base form. We'll see how it works out.
#9 seker Jul 22, 2005 21:44:16	personally I would keep the animal form the same if you really want ot allow it at all..... after all it is the "human component that is changed..... a troll werewolf and a human werewolf have the same wolf form ..... so why would a dragon have a different one. Note by how the spells are worded, casting even the first spell would remove lycanthropy or any other shapechanger trait. but if you really want the lycanthropy in your campaign to work on dragons..... that would be the most reasonably method.