DS3 weapons questions

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#1

huntercc

Jul 24, 2005 10:35:40
Just a few questions after looking through the weapons table:

1) Is obsidian equivalent to stone for purposes of weight, damage, hardness, etc?

2) For the Athasian weapons listed in the DS3 document, I'm confused about the Weights. For example, the Puchik is described as a bone or obsidian punching dagger... but stone weighs 4 times as much as bone. So what does the weight in the Puchik listing represent, the bone version or the obsidian version? Or are they meant to be the same??

3) If any of the Athasian weapons were somehow made of metal instead of stone/bone/wood, would they do more damage? For example, would a metal Puchik do 1d4+1 dmg instead of 1d4?
#2

zombiegleemax

Jul 24, 2005 20:19:45
1) Yes.

2) Yes. :P

3) No. Those weapons which are designed as stone/bone weapons are intentionally made of those materials. I, for one, would simply rule that such a weapon made out of metal would be considered masterwork, due to being constructed of "superior" materials. The main benefit to making such weapons out of metal would be for the purposes of piercing damage reduction.
#3

Pennarin

Jul 24, 2005 20:29:46
I think Aram is right on all counts, except for the masterwork bit.
#4

zombiegleemax

Jul 24, 2005 20:46:05
I think Aram is right on all counts, except for the masterwork bit.

I have to agree just because something is made of metal it doesn't mean it is masterwork
#5

huntercc

Jul 24, 2005 21:31:13
Thanks for the responses! Here's more:

4) Why do "Bolts (10)" under Fixed Crossbow cost 3 times as much as crossbow bolts listed in the PHB, and weigh 3 times as much? Are they supposed to be larger & incompatible? If so, I think a separate description should be added to the weapon descriptions, or rename them to "Bolts, fixed crossbow (10)" or something similar

5) Why does the hinged pelota have a x2 critical, when it deals no damage? Is this x2 supposed to apply to the damage from whatever is inside it?

6) Why does the lasso have a x2 critical, when it deals no damage?
#6

ruhl-than_sage

Jul 24, 2005 23:26:47
Thanks for the responses! Here's more:

4) Why do "Bolts (10)" under Fixed Crossbow cost 3 times as much as crossbow bolts listed in the PHB, and weigh 3 times as much? Are they supposed to be larger & incompatible? If so, I think a separate description should be added to the weapon descriptions, or rename them to "Bolts, fixed crossbow (10)" or something similar

5) Why does the hinged pelota have a x2 critical, when it deals no damage? Is this x2 supposed to apply to the damage from whatever is inside it?

6) Why does the lasso have a x2 critical, when it deals no damage?

4. Yes, they are larger, like a small ballista.
5. Yes, there are a number of different things that can be loaded into a Pelota.
6. I don't know, that's probably an oversight.
#7

Pennarin

Jul 25, 2005 0:02:07
Typos and copy/pastes most likely.
#8

huntercc

Jul 25, 2005 8:09:09
Cool, thanks. :whatsthis

I think I'm satisfied for now :D
#9

ishnid

Jul 28, 2005 2:40:18
So... what's up with the swatter? I only ask because athas.org's half giants are large and the damage for a medium swatter is 2D8. The world may suddenly be flooded with monkey gripin' half-giants doing 4D8. Heaven forbid someone makes a psionic character with expansion. A level 9 psionic who uses expansion is getting and 8D8 club. A possible 16D8 crit. Any DMs having nightmares about the half giant nuke? Hmmm... I can't remember the last time I had to roll 8D8 at one time. My advice make the weapon do 4D4. Remeber way back when... rolling 4D4+4? Memories.... (Note that this advice was not serious)

The only other medium size weapon doing 2D8 at medium size is that Slugiin from Frostburn, and you will need the slugiin mastery feat for it to be useful. I am assuming that the full blade wasn't reprinted in 3.5.
#10

Pennarin

Jul 28, 2005 3:41:19
Well, the swatter does nothing else than inflict damage.

To balance this, we can compare it to some of the best PHB weapons, the greatsword, greataxe, and halberd.

All three weapons are Martial, inflict between 1d10 or 1d12, have x3 (or 19-20/x2) critical, and cost between 10 and 50 gp. The halberd can also be used against a charge and you can make trip attacks with it.

While the swatter inflicts a wallop of 2d8, it's Exotic, has x2 critical, costs as much as a double weapon (85 Cp), and you can't use it for any special maneuver.

A half-giant can have as good a weapon as a large swatter using a large greataxe: costs 1/4 the price, is Martial, inflicts x3 critical, and inflicts only a few points of damage less.

Hmm, making the comparaison...I'm wondering if the swatter shouldn't be made cheaper by maybe 15 Cp...
#11

zombiegleemax

Jul 28, 2005 4:42:40
or its crit multiplyer higher or maybe the threat range lowered
#12

jon_oracle_of_athas

Jul 28, 2005 5:36:07
There is no aspect of the swatter that would warrant an increased threat range (it's a club). The swatter's critical multiplier should also remain x2 IMO - it's the only weapon that deals 2d8 points of damage as a medium weapon - a large version deals 3d8 as has been pointed out - and that is a lot.
#13

zombiegleemax

Jul 28, 2005 7:34:01
hmm an exotic club that you have to burn a feat to use hmmm......... ok
#14

jon_oracle_of_athas

Jul 28, 2005 15:38:01
It has a metal core tip and rows of spikes that require some training to master effectively. Or something like that. ;)
#15

zombiegleemax

Jul 28, 2005 17:44:11
Yes, there are a number of different things that can be loaded into a Pelota.

This isn't really correct. The one that you can load different things into is the Hinged Pelota. Regular Pelotas are lead balls covered with spikes, fired by use of a Dejada, an exotic weapon, and use their listed damage. Pelotas can also be thrown; the thrown pelota listing is found under Simple weapons. Hinged Pelotas are used with Splashbows, lack said spikes, and can be filled with various nasty substances - they're the ones that don't deal base damage.