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#1
eagleye
Aug 03, 2005 6:38:04 One of my players want to start as a vampire. As a DM, I'm willing to give him a try on it as he's an experienced player and I know he will role-play it just fine. My question is: are there special considerations for me to take into account for a vampire in Greyhawk? Speciale limitations, stats-wise or role-play-wise?
#2
Amaril
Aug 03, 2005 9:17:14
One of my players want to start as a vampire. As a DM, I'm willing to give him a try on it as he's an experienced player and I know he will role-play it just fine. My question is: are there special considerations for me to take into account for a vampire in Greyhawk? Speciale limitations, stats-wise or role-play-wise?

You mean aside from the boost in ECL? You might want to try the Half-Vampire template from Libris Mortis or the Vampire template class from the Savage Progressions archive.

PS - As far as roleplaying applications in the Flanaess, we would need to know more about the nature of the campaign you have planned.
#3
ripvanwormer
Aug 03, 2005 10:20:13
My question is: are there special considerations for me to take into account for a vampire in Greyhawk? Speciale limitations, stats-wise or role-play-wise?

Stats-wise, Oerth's vampires are completely standard.

Roleplay-wise, you might want to think about who the original vampires were, and how their different progeny might vary. A vampire descended from the god Kanchelsis might be different from one descended from Vecna's lieutenant Kas.
#4
Mortepierre
Aug 03, 2005 11:59:09
A vampire descended from the god Kanchelsis might be different from one descended from Vecna's lieutenant Kas.

The latter would be quite rare methink considering Kas spent nearly all his time as a vampire trapped first in Vecna's planar citadel and then in the Burning Peaks domain in Ravenloft.
#5
eagleye
Sep 02, 2005 2:42:14
The latter would be quite rare methink considering Kas spent nearly all his time as a vampire trapped first in Vecna's planar citadel and then in the Burning Peaks domain in Ravenloft.

Interesting. What actually did happen to Kas, and Vecna, after that? Wikipedia states The Citadel as Kas' final place, and Ravenloft as Vecna's final setting. What happened after that? What's the official story?
#6
max_writer
Sep 02, 2005 14:43:58 Vecna escaped to become a god. I forget what happened to Kas.
#7
ripvanwormer
Sep 02, 2005 19:33:32 I assume he's still in Ravenloft, though there's at least a 50% chance that I'm wrong.

I remember one fan had him return to Oerth and begin conquering himself a kingdom there.
#8
eagleye
Sep 03, 2005 7:09:54
I assume he's still in Ravenloft, though there's at least a 50% chance that I'm wrong.

I remember one fan had him return to Oerth and begin conquering himself a kingdom there.

That's exactly what I'm planning him to do. Have a url to this story perhaps?
#9
Mortepierre
Sep 03, 2005 8:48:49
Interesting. What actually did happen to Kas, and Vecna, after that? Wikipedia states The Citadel as Kas' final place, and Ravenloft as Vecna's final setting. What happened after that? What's the official story?

Re-reading the Vecna Lives! adventure, I realized there was a small window of opportunity for Kas to have created vampires on Oerth. At the end of the module (at least 'one' end..), while Iuz and Vecna both fall (sort of..) through one portal, Kas jumps through another that 'seems' to lead to the capital of the ancient Bakluni empire. Presumably, the Dark Powers from RL snatched him from there some time later in order to place him in the Burning Peaks with Vecna but the fact remains that - for a time - Kas existed as a patriarch-level vampire in Oerth's past.

Thus, you could very well have a cabal of ancient Bakluni vampires who await his return, and possibly plot to make it happen (not to mention oppose minions of Vecna at every turn).
#10
zombiegleemax
Sep 03, 2005 16:40:48 Man, I am glad my campaign uses nothing regarding Vecna as canon except the Hand and Eye entries in Gygax's DMG. ;)

No offense, but I hated the 2E soap opera crap (I'll always choose to remember Ravenloft as an incredible 1E module and ignore the rather lame 2E boxed set). Blech.

Anyway, I am a little concerned that only one player wanting to run a vampire could be really disruptive. What's he going to do during the day when the other PCs are active? What are the other PCs going to do all night when he's up and about? I could easily see it degenerating into a constant "split party" situation where the vampire player gets half the session to himself while the other PCs sit around twiddling their thumbs (and vice-versa).
#11
Prof._Pacali
Sep 03, 2005 21:56:55
Vecna escaped to become a god. I forget what happened to Kas.

Actually, there is no information on Kas after the Ravenloft module Vecna Reborn. He wasn't in Die Vecna, Die!, and he isn't mentioned in any 3e/3.5 source I know of.
#12
Prof._Pacali
Sep 03, 2005 21:58:15
Man, I am glad my campaign uses nothing regarding Vecna as canon except the Hand and Eye entries in Gygax's DMG. ;)

No offense, but I hated the 2E soap opera crap (I'll always choose to remember Ravenloft as an incredible 1E module and ignore the rather lame 2E boxed set). Blech.

Actually, Vecna and KAs did not get sucked into Ravenloft until the Domains of Dread sourcebook, not the Black Box set.
#13
zombiegleemax
Sep 04, 2005 0:35:17
Actually, Vecna and KAs did not get sucked into Ravenloft until the Domains of Dread sourcebook, not the Black Box set.

Oh, I know. Don't get the idea that I didn't enjoy Ravenloft as its own campaign world just because it used Vecna and other Grekhawk characters as NPCs in some of the sourcebooks. It just didn't work for me in general.
#14
eagleye
Sep 04, 2005 5:53:21
Anyway, I am a little concerned that only one player wanting to run a vampire could be really disruptive. What's he going to do during the day when the other PCs are active? What are the other PCs going to do all night when he's up and about? I could easily see it degenerating into a constant "split party" situation where the vampire player gets half the session to himself while the other PCs sit around twiddling their thumbs (and vice-versa).

Well in my campaign he will only graduatly turns into a vampire, in an 8 level long period (I'm using the Vampire Template Class). He only turns Undead at level 7. So for the first couple of levels, he will have not that much an issue with walking around in daylight. Also, the other partymembers don't know he's turning into a vampire, and one other player is even a ranger with Favored Enemy: Undead. So he'll have to do his very best to disguise his true nature.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 eagleye Aug 03, 2005 6:38:04	One of my players want to start as a vampire. As a DM, I'm willing to give him a try on it as he's an experienced player and I know he will role-play it just fine. My question is: are there special considerations for me to take into account for a vampire in Greyhawk? Speciale limitations, stats-wise or role-play-wise?
#2 Amaril Aug 03, 2005 9:17:14	One of my players want to start as a vampire. As a DM, I'm willing to give him a try on it as he's an experienced player and I know he will role-play it just fine. My question is: are there special considerations for me to take into account for a vampire in Greyhawk? Speciale limitations, stats-wise or role-play-wise? You mean aside from the boost in ECL? You might want to try the Half-Vampire template from Libris Mortis or the Vampire template class from the Savage Progressions archive. PS - As far as roleplaying applications in the Flanaess, we would need to know more about the nature of the campaign you have planned.
#3 ripvanwormer Aug 03, 2005 10:20:13	My question is: are there special considerations for me to take into account for a vampire in Greyhawk? Speciale limitations, stats-wise or role-play-wise? Stats-wise, Oerth's vampires are completely standard. Roleplay-wise, you might want to think about who the original vampires were, and how their different progeny might vary. A vampire descended from the god Kanchelsis might be different from one descended from Vecna's lieutenant Kas.
#4 Mortepierre Aug 03, 2005 11:59:09	A vampire descended from the god Kanchelsis might be different from one descended from Vecna's lieutenant Kas. The latter would be quite rare methink considering Kas spent nearly all his time as a vampire trapped first in Vecna's planar citadel and then in the Burning Peaks domain in Ravenloft.
#5 eagleye Sep 02, 2005 2:42:14	The latter would be quite rare methink considering Kas spent nearly all his time as a vampire trapped first in Vecna's planar citadel and then in the Burning Peaks domain in Ravenloft. Interesting. What actually did happen to Kas, and Vecna, after that? Wikipedia states The Citadel as Kas' final place, and Ravenloft as Vecna's final setting. What happened after that? What's the official story?
#6 max_writer Sep 02, 2005 14:43:58	Vecna escaped to become a god. I forget what happened to Kas.
#7 ripvanwormer Sep 02, 2005 19:33:32	I assume he's still in Ravenloft, though there's at least a 50% chance that I'm wrong. I remember one fan had him return to Oerth and begin conquering himself a kingdom there.
#8 eagleye Sep 03, 2005 7:09:54	I assume he's still in Ravenloft, though there's at least a 50% chance that I'm wrong. I remember one fan had him return to Oerth and begin conquering himself a kingdom there. That's exactly what I'm planning him to do. Have a url to this story perhaps?
#9 Mortepierre Sep 03, 2005 8:48:49	Interesting. What actually did happen to Kas, and Vecna, after that? Wikipedia states The Citadel as Kas' final place, and Ravenloft as Vecna's final setting. What happened after that? What's the official story? Re-reading the Vecna Lives! adventure, I realized there was a small window of opportunity for Kas to have created vampires on Oerth. At the end of the module (at least 'one' end..), while Iuz and Vecna both fall (sort of..) through one portal, Kas jumps through another that 'seems' to lead to the capital of the ancient Bakluni empire. Presumably, the Dark Powers from RL snatched him from there some time later in order to place him in the Burning Peaks with Vecna but the fact remains that - for a time - Kas existed as a patriarch-level vampire in Oerth's past. Thus, you could very well have a cabal of ancient Bakluni vampires who await his return, and possibly plot to make it happen (not to mention oppose minions of Vecna at every turn).
#10 zombiegleemax Sep 03, 2005 16:40:48	Man, I am glad my campaign uses nothing regarding Vecna as canon except the Hand and Eye entries in Gygax's DMG. ;) No offense, but I hated the 2E soap opera crap (I'll always choose to remember Ravenloft as an incredible 1E module and ignore the rather lame 2E boxed set). Blech. Anyway, I am a little concerned that only one player wanting to run a vampire could be really disruptive. What's he going to do during the day when the other PCs are active? What are the other PCs going to do all night when he's up and about? I could easily see it degenerating into a constant "split party" situation where the vampire player gets half the session to himself while the other PCs sit around twiddling their thumbs (and vice-versa).
#11 Prof._Pacali Sep 03, 2005 21:56:55	Vecna escaped to become a god. I forget what happened to Kas. Actually, there is no information on Kas after the Ravenloft module Vecna Reborn. He wasn't in Die Vecna, Die!, and he isn't mentioned in any 3e/3.5 source I know of.
#12 Prof._Pacali Sep 03, 2005 21:58:15	Man, I am glad my campaign uses nothing regarding Vecna as canon except the Hand and Eye entries in Gygax's DMG. ;) No offense, but I hated the 2E soap opera crap (I'll always choose to remember Ravenloft as an incredible 1E module and ignore the rather lame 2E boxed set). Blech. Actually, Vecna and KAs did not get sucked into Ravenloft until the Domains of Dread sourcebook, not the Black Box set.
#13 zombiegleemax Sep 04, 2005 0:35:17	Actually, Vecna and KAs did not get sucked into Ravenloft until the Domains of Dread sourcebook, not the Black Box set. Oh, I know. Don't get the idea that I didn't enjoy Ravenloft as its own campaign world just because it used Vecna and other Grekhawk characters as NPCs in some of the sourcebooks. It just didn't work for me in general.
#14 eagleye Sep 04, 2005 5:53:21	Anyway, I am a little concerned that only one player wanting to run a vampire could be really disruptive. What's he going to do during the day when the other PCs are active? What are the other PCs going to do all night when he's up and about? I could easily see it degenerating into a constant "split party" situation where the vampire player gets half the session to himself while the other PCs sit around twiddling their thumbs (and vice-versa). Well in my campaign he will only graduatly turns into a vampire, in an 8 level long period (I'm using the Vampire Template Class). He only turns Undead at level 7. So for the first couple of levels, he will have not that much an issue with walking around in daylight. Also, the other partymembers don't know he's turning into a vampire, and one other player is even a ranger with Favored Enemy: Undead. So he'll have to do his very best to disguise his true nature.