My group has had so much fun turning Krynn inside out and upside down over the years with time travel that it'd be awesome to see an official perspective reflected in the rules.
What are you most hoping will be in this new book?
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some dragons, etc.
I'm hoping to see Ladonna, Justarius, Crysania, Tas, and Caramon, Kharas, Par-Salian, the gladiators + Arack and the 1/2 ogre (forget his name), some of the clerics from the temple (Denubis, Loralon, Quarath), Steel-Toe...and I'm sure I'm missing some. I love character stats, and if there is anywhere near the amount found in WotL, then I'm going to be a very very happy fanboy! Hopefully it'll be out in early november so I can get it for a birthday present.
Besides those that we know will be in there-Raistlin & the Kingpriest..
What would interest me the most would be incredibly detailed time travel rules. I don't even think any other game has taken a shot at it, and just as the DLCS featured the first ever D&D aerial combat rules, it'd be cool if LotT was the first product to detail dealing with time paradoxes, alternate future/pasts, changing your own history, etc.
My group has had so much fun turning Krynn inside out and upside down over the years with time travel that it'd be awesome to see an official perspective reflected in the rules.
What are you most hoping will be in this new book?
You know what I think would be fun for doing time travel in DL, is making a sort of "How Many DeLoreans Were In Back To The Future In 1955 At One Time" scenario. The answer by the way, is 4: The one Marty took back in the first, the one Biff stole from the future to give the book to his younger self, the one Marty and Doc took back to steal the book back, and the one that Doc had hidden in the mine shaft for 70 years.
The point is, time paradoxes are fun :D
What would interest me the most would be incredibly detailed time travel rules.
Been there, done that. It was done in a 2E generic D&D product called Chronomancer.
From what I recall (which isn't much :D ), the rules weren't all that bad and gave a creative outlook on time travel.
You know what I think would be fun for doing time travel in DL, is making a sort of "How Many DeLoreans Were In Back To The Future In 1955 At One Time" scenario. The answer by the way, is 4: The one Marty took back in the first, the one Biff stole from the future to give the book to his younger self, the one Marty and Doc took back to steal the book back, and the one that Doc had hidden in the mine shaft for 70 years.
The point is, time paradoxes are fun :D
I posted a question similar to this on the DLforums boards. Were there 2 Dragonorbs of Istar in existance at the same time? The one that Lorac took and had in Silvanesti at the time and the one that Raistlin had that he took from Silvanesti 300 years later...wonder what would have happened if they were brought together
I posted a question similar to this on the DLforums boards. Were there 2 Dragonorbs of Istar in existance at the same time? The one that Lorac took and had in Silvanesti at the time and the one that Raistlin had that he took from Silvanesti 300 years later...wonder what would have happened if they were brought together
That's an interesting topic raistlinrox. That is a big thing in all sci-fi, the whole "Change nothing, leave nothing behind, take nothing back" thing. Ironically, there is a movie I saw the commerical for last night that deals with this topic. (I can't recall the name, but I think it has something to do with dinosaurs.)
It would be very interesting to see this material handled in the book. I for one, am hoping for some more info on Raist and Fisty. It would be nice to see their stats, side by side, both at their height of power. That would finally end the argument about who was better...wouldn't it? ;)
That's an interesting topic raistlinrox. That is a big thing in all sci-fi, the whole "Change nothing, leave nothing behind, take nothing back" thing. Ironically, there is a movie I saw the commerical for last night that deals with this topic. (I can't recall the name, but I think it has something to do with dinosaurs.)
I remember reading a sci-fi short story about 15 years ago or so about a hunting expedition that would go back to the time of dinosaurs and hunt them. The trick was, the agency saw ahead a little, and discovered which dinosaurs were going to die anyway, so those were marked 'ok' to kill. They established paths that people were not allowed to walk off of at any time, and under no circumstances were people allowed to kill anything except what they were told to. One person accidently stepped on a butterfly or something while back in time, and when they returned to the present, the group discovered that all languages were altered to the point where they could no longer understand it. Neat story, wish I could remember the name of it...
I remember reading a sci-fi short story about 15 years ago or so about a hunting expedition that would go back to the time of dinosaurs and hunt them. The trick was, the agency saw ahead a little, and discovered which dinosaurs were going to die anyway, so those were marked 'ok' to kill. They established paths that people were not allowed to walk off of at any time, and under no circumstances were people allowed to kill anything except what they were told to. One person accidently stepped on a butterfly or something while back in time, and when they returned to the present, the group discovered that all languages were altered to the point where they could no longer understand it. Neat story, wish I could remember the name of it...
Wasn't that a Halloween episode of the Simpsons?
I remember reading a sci-fi short story about 15 years ago or so about a hunting expedition that would go back to the time of dinosaurs and hunt them. The trick was, the agency saw ahead a little, and discovered which dinosaurs were going to die anyway, so those were marked 'ok' to kill. They established paths that people were not allowed to walk off of at any time, and under no circumstances were people allowed to kill anything except what they were told to. One person accidently stepped on a butterfly or something while back in time, and when they returned to the present, the group discovered that all languages were altered to the point where they could no longer understand it. Neat story, wish I could remember the name of it...
I remember that show- I think it was a Twilight Zone episode IIRC.
But the canon of DL says only one of the Chaos Races can change or alter the River of Time- the other races do not effect events drastically enough to alter events in the long run.
I remember reading a sci-fi short story about 15 years ago or so about a hunting expedition that would go back to the time of dinosaurs and hunt them.
It's a relatively famous short story called "A Sound of Thunder" by Ray Bradbury and is the basis for the movie that Alio is referring to.
Cheers,
Cam
That would finally end the argument about who was better...wouldn't it?
But why would you want to do that? That'd be like creating a tournament bracket for NCAA Division I football. LOL!
Seriously though, it's always been somewhat ambiguous who actually took over whom. I'm not sure I want that spelled out specifically. (of course, I haven't finished Annotated Legends yet, so may have already been spelled out.
"The sourcebook will offer rules for character traits to further deepen the roleplaying experience..."
I really hope this is done well. Though on the whole I thought Unearthed Arcana was a great book, I thought the Character Traits section in it was rubbish - stuff like Hardy, Quick, Saddleborn, and Spell-gifted are not character traits, they're munchkin excuses to boost your power level and have little or no bearing on roleplaying, despite the banale attempts to do so in the background text.
IMO, Character Traits should be about personality, behavioural idiosynchrasies, passions, obsessions, goals, and background history. Not physical traits like Hard of Hearing or Near-sighted, which merely become irritating after a short period of roleplaying. One of the better attempts on the subject was actually in a DL book - the Saga Companion - some of which I still use for my DL campaigns today.
And I hope there is sound advice about deepening the roleplaying experience for the DM as well as the player in there, too, not just the old +1 benefit, -1 penalty crunch. Give us some good fluff, and encourage better roleplaying - depth of character, and the stories that grew out of the characters' personalities, was probably the main thing that drew me to DL over any other setting.
I would hope to see advice on designing adventures/scenes that encourage roleplaying (i.e. morally ambiguous), using character backgrounds to design later twists in adventures, and advice on encouraging an atmosphere where people can feel comfortable in roleplaying in-game (and when to know that players are just not up for it).
Please do this important aspect justice.
Simon Collins
Quote from the Products section of the Dragonlance website on Legends of the Twins:
"The sourcebook will offer rules for character traits to further deepen the roleplaying experience..."
I really hope this is done well. Though on the whole I thought Unearthed Arcana was a great book, I thought the Character Traits section in it was rubbish - stuff like Hardy, Quick, Saddleborn, and Spell-gifted are not character traits, they're munchkin excuses to boost your power level and have little or no bearing on roleplaying, despite the banale attempts to do so in the background text.
IMO, Character Traits should be about personality, behavioural idiosynchrasies, passions, obsessions, goals, and background history. Not physical traits like Hard of Hearing or Near-sighted, which merely become irritating after a short period of roleplaying. One of the better attempts on the subject was actually in a DL book - the Saga Companion - some of which I still use for my DL campaigns today.
And I hope there is sound advice about deepening the roleplaying experience for the DM as well as the player in there, too, not just the old +1 benefit, -1 penalty crunch. Give us some good fluff, and encourage better roleplaying - depth of character, and the stories that grew out of the characters' personalities, was probably the main thing that drew me to DL over any other setting.
I would hope to see advice on designing adventures/scenes that encourage roleplaying (i.e. morally ambiguous), using character backgrounds to design later twists in adventures, and advice on encouraging an atmosphere where people can feel comfortable in roleplaying in-game (and when to know that players are just not up for it).
Please do this important aspect justice.
Simon Collins
Very well articulated suggestions. This would actually be a great book to see done by WotC. Instead of a DMGII, how about a Player's Guide to Role-Playing. (I haven't checked out the "Complete" series, so maybe they have taken an approach to this already. However, I just finished the Book of Vile Darkness, and am now reading over Fiend Folio. The thing that upsets me those books is their handling of Demons and Devils. There are writeups for all of the majors, but not much in the background sections. They seem to concentrate on skill sets, and basic abilities above all else. This just makes games hack'n'slash, which irks me. Did you know Mephistopehles has a Tumble of +30? Umm...who cares!!!)
Sorry for the rant, and the OTness of it. I just hope that these things are approached in a better manner by the upcoming products like Holy Order of the Stars and Legends. I totally agree that some good RP character background is needed, and desired! :D
They have something that does this in the Book of Vile darkness, and Villains of Faerun (I think this is not the right title, but it is close).
I've seen the one in BoVD. Wasn't too impressed.
It's a relatively famous short story called "A Sound of Thunder" by Ray Bradbury and is the basis for the movie that Alio is referring to.
Cheers,
Cam
Rolled a 20 on your knowledge check, eh Cam
Rolled a 20 on your knowledge check, eh Cam
I took 10 on a Google check. But only to confirm it - I read the story back in high school along with all of Bradbury's other stories.
Cheers,
Cam