WHY AREN't THERE ANY SOUTH AMERICAN REGIONS???

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#1

zombiegleemax

Aug 16, 2005 20:07:32
No offence but even though we are no at the economical standards than other countries there is a large role-playing community especially with D&D so I am asking why inst there any South American regions, and don't tell me you couldn’t do them you did one for almost each state in the US.
#2

sterlingheart_paganpummel

Aug 16, 2005 22:01:28
if you mean regions on the MAP why not consider Amedio or Hempmona Land...besides, Forgtten realms beat SA/Mexico type regions to death with the Maztica...you could easily say that ares's south of Amedio...
#3

Greyson

Aug 16, 2005 23:18:25
It seems to me that Elathron is implying that the Living Greyhawk campaign does not accommodate players in South America. This is not the right board - this is the board for the setting at large, not the RPGA's Living Greyhawk. That board is HERE, and your complaint might be better addressed there.

For those that are curious, you may see which geographical areas are linked to which region of the Flanaess HERE.

Happy gaming.
#4

samwise

Aug 16, 2005 23:43:28
Just because there is a large D&D community doesn't mean there is a large RPGA community. The LG regions were assigned based on the number of RPGA players, and their participation in then current RPGA campaigns.
Even then, just because there is a reasonably sized RPGA community doesn't mean an area is viable as a region. Two regions were shut down because of mistakes in such estimates.

So how many RPGA members are there?
How many aleady play various RPGA campaigns?
How many large conventions are there in the proposed region?
And what were the numbers of those back in 1999-2000?
If they were low, that's why there was no South American region when the campaign started.
If they are still low, that's why there is none now.
If they are growing, then you need to put together a proper proposal to nag the RPGA HQ people into assigning you a region.
#5

Mortepierre

Aug 17, 2005 1:49:34
One might add that typing a whole text in big bold letters is akin (at least on most boards) to screaming, which is considered rude (especially given the folks in charge of actually deciding rarely visit the boards).

Remember, it's easier to catch a fly with honey than vinegar...
#6

Amaril

Aug 17, 2005 6:43:20
"LOUD NOISES!"
#7

zombiegleemax

Aug 17, 2005 10:56:50
The reason why there's no regions outside those currently extant is because RPGA HQ doesn't have evidence of sufficient play numbers in countries like Argentina, Brazil, Japan or South Africa to warrent giving them LG regions.

Now this can be for a number of reasons:

1: There aren't enough roleplayers playing D&D in those areas.
or
2: There are plenty of roleplayers but few if any of them are sending back play reports to RPGA HQ.

If it's 1, then there's not a lot anyone can do, except start preaching the gospel of D&D on the street corners.

If it's 2, then the roleplayers in those regions need to get their act together and get those play reports in. Show RPGA HQ that there's enough demonstrable interest to warrent giving you a region.

Simple as that,

Paul Looby
LG Circle Rep for the Splintered Sun metaregion
#8

zombiegleemax

Aug 17, 2005 11:33:49
So you’re stating that there are more RPGA members in Texas than in the whole of Brazil? I sorry but I find that hard to believe. Plus The Argentinean gaming community is becoming bigger and bigger. What I am saying at least gives one region after all I don’t think is that hard.
By the way Greyson, thank you for the advice.I also wish to apologize for putting the font in bold and uppercase, as to assume I was shouting I was really angry at time. Even though in the title was mostly to catch attention.
#9

samwise

Aug 17, 2005 15:01:28
Why is that so hard to believe?
And please note exactly what was said.

2: There are plenty of roleplayers but few if any of them are sending back play reports to RPGA HQ.

Not only must they be roleplayers, not only must they be RPGA member, but they must also send play reports to RPGA HQ. If you think that is such a simple requirement then you have some serious misconceptions about gamers. RPGA members have to be threatened with losing the ability to order events to get them to report on time.
And if you want to check it, go and look up the play history of some core modules, and compare the number of events scheduled in Brazil versus the number scheduled in Texas. I haven't, but that will help you discover what the numbers are.

As for the difficulty, again you seem to have a rather unrealistic view of just how difficult it would be. First they need to pick a region. Second they need to find a Triad to run it. Third they need to figure out how to handle editing in a different language. (And Paul would particularly know about that.) And that doesn't include deciding whether a South American region would use Spanish or Portuguese for its events
All that is a lot more difficult than just talking about it.

So if there are that many gamers then get them organized, order and report tons of core mod tables, and make it clear to the RPGA that there is a community they should expand to serve.
#10

zombiegleemax

Aug 17, 2005 17:53:23
Elathron, I don't think there is anything stopping you from joining the RPGA and playing only LG Core scenarios. To be honest they are generally the only ones worth playing. And on top of this I am sure there are plenty of other scenarios available that are just as good outside of the LG if you check them out.

Heck, it is free after all.
#11

scon40

Aug 17, 2005 18:03:42
So you’re stating that there are more RPGA members in Texas than in the whole of Brazil?

There are less RPGA members playing Living GH and reporting the results to HQ in Brazil than in Texas. When the campaign was started, there were not many RPGA members in South America. Lots of gamers, I'm sure, but not lots of RPGA members. Since the campaign began, play numbers in South America have not been sufficient to merit the expenditure of resources necessary to set up a region down there. If you want to see a LG region in South America, you need to get lots of registered RPGA members to play LG Cores and report the results. Until HQ sees sufficient play numbers, there is no chance of a region being set up down there.
#12

zombiegleemax

Aug 18, 2005 4:23:38
So you’re stating that there are more RPGA members in Texas than in the whole of Brazil? I sorry but I find that hard to believe. Plus The Argentinean gaming community is becoming bigger and bigger. What I am saying at least gives one region after all I don’t think is that hard.

Trust me, between Steve Conforti and myself, we get requests from South Am and South Africa at a rate of about 1 every month or two. Every time I pass it on up to RPGA HQ and every time the answer is the same - insufficient play numbers.

All I can suggest is that you guys put out a call on South Am gaming forums you could connect with other like-minded folk and get some sort of critical mass together. If you've got the players, then get them sending back reports. Prove that you've got the player base.
The squeaky wheel gets the oil.

P.
LG Circle - the Splintered Sun
#13

zombiegleemax

Aug 18, 2005 9:14:15
Thanks for the advice everyone; I'll see what I can do about it. Lassiviren thanks for the suggestion but I’m already an RPGA member that’s why I started complaining and stopped reporting because we didn’t have a region. To all the rest thanks for your advice. Samwise first all you say check on something you didn’t even check yourself so can you affirm it, second language if not an obstacle almost 99% of the DM in South America know or understand English perfectly so stop it with your know it all attitude because you don’t know bull. You've been of no use through out the whole of these days. Forums are to help find solution to problems the posters have. They are not for wise-cracks to come and start writing about things they don't know about or at least they think they do. So thanks for nothing next time try and be helpful or just don’t participate.
Kisses
Elathron.
#14

Greyson

Aug 18, 2005 10:08:32
I'll see what I can do about it.

Elathron, definitely take some time to get some RPGA activities going. Remember, it looks like the key is to report game tables. So, recruit some help, order scenarios, and get the reports sent in as timely as possible. Don't limit yourself to Living Greyhawk adventures. For certain, play all of the Cores. But also, order, play and report D&D adventures and Home games.

Then, just keep asking questions at the RPGA boards. I wish I was there to help you out, but all I can do is offer advice. Good luck and let us know how it goes.
#15

simpi

Aug 18, 2005 16:04:35
Plus The Argentinean gaming community is becoming bigger and bigger. What I am saying at least gives one region after all I don’t think is that hard.

Looking at Core scenario play statistics, Argentina appears to be the most active of South American countries when it comes to LG. As you are neighbouring countries and and share the language, you could try to get a mutual cooperation going in this thing.

However, having a region won't do any good unless you have dedicated people willing to work hard for it's development. Our region was certainly a bit problematic until Year 4 which was the time we finally got a full Triad and several DMs who were willing to run games and recruit new people. Now that things are moving and only thing that can happen to us now is if the authors don't actually come up with the adventures they promised to do
:D

S.H, Ahlissa (Naerie) webslave
#16

eric_anondson

Aug 18, 2005 16:36:50
You've been of no use through out the whole of these days. Forums are to help find solution to problems the posters have. They are not for wise-cracks to come and start writing about things they don't know about or at least they think they do. So thanks for nothing next time try and be helpful or just don’t participate.

With that kind of attitude, is it any wonder... ?
#17

samwise

Aug 18, 2005 21:37:47
I know a lot more than you do Elathron.
For example, I knew where to go to check for play statistics. You obviously didn't. As for why I didn't check them, my state has a region, and I didn't call anyone a liar. It is not my job or responsibility to find data you need to advance your cause.
I also happen to know that regional modules are written in the local language and not English. So unless you are volunteering to have all modules in some South American region written in English when the RPGA wouldn't require it, that is also something more I know that you don't.
And, if you were actually paying attention, you would have noticed that the official representatives said the exact same thing I did about what would be required to get a new region set up. So it would seem I also know about that.

But it seems you think being rude to people is a good way to make your case. So I will leave you to your bad attitude, and just hope that the rest of the gaming community down there doesn't suffer because you find it so difficult to be civil.
#18

zombiegleemax

Aug 21, 2005 18:39:41
Elathron, from which city are you?
I am from Buenos Aires, in Argentina, and i and a group are organizating RPGA events two time a month, playing LG core adventures (now playing the Bright Sands adventure arc) and were are growing in players, by ading them to the RPGA database, and encouraging home events. Even we had the idea of making adventures, or trying to coordinate whit people from other south american countries and Spain (they had a region, but it looks almot dead).
Simpi can tell you on how many time i bother him asking a lot of things about organization and adventure making. Making a region is not a easy thing. You must create a triad, a group of people how devote part of their time to organiza everything, and a group of adventure authors to make at least 8 regional adventures a year, triying to get a metaplot, while developing your asigned region.
Whit the economic problem of 2001, the RPG population decrese but now everyday is easier to get RPG books,a nd most people comes to play D&D, and more people signed to RPGA. IF you want to contribuite, organiza home events whit friends, or come to our events in Buenos Aires, or make some core adventures, and offer them to the responsable of admiting core adventures. Getting a region will be very hard, but there is a hope of joining Spain in theirs, so we can help them.

If you want to contact me, my mil is: [email]g_kutran@hotmail.com[/email]

Saludos!
#19

zombiegleemax

Aug 23, 2005 18:22:43
Soy de Montevideo Uruguay
#20

chibirias

Sep 08, 2005 5:26:06
I moved to the US with my family when I was 6 (more years ago than I care to admit ), but recently visited my family Guatemala, as well as spending a couple days in Ciudad Guatemala, where I ran into a handful of fellow D&D players. I am guessing that a Latin American LG region would have to encompass multiple countries, since it is unlikely that any single country, except maybe Brazil or Mexico, could field enough players to satisfy the RPGA.

Mekorig's advice and comments are the best here so far, IMO. Get a group together, order the LG "core" events from the website (www.wizards.com/greyhawk) and submit your results. Encourage others to do this as well, and join the Spanish language discussion groups and forums online and spread the word. Once you have a large group of proven LG players throughout Latin America, you'll be far more likely to be taken seriously by the RPGA.

I personally think that a Latin American region, en espanol, would be a great benefit to the campaign, since there are many gamers here in the united states who would find Spanish language materials useful, as well as the Spanish speaking players elsewhere in the world (like Spain!)

You might also find the D&D-Espanol website (http://www.dnd-es.com) useful in your effort to rally Latin American gamers to your cause. From that website, you can also find Spanish language chatrooms and discussion groups.

Respuesto en español, pero las gentes aquí no habla español, y hablo español muy malo después de vivo en los US.
#21

darth_azalin

Sep 17, 2005 4:26:44
You also have to take into effect that at one time being a RPGA member costed (alot) of money and well you didn't get anything for it besides a magazine.

Been playing since '86 and never once was a RPGA member had there rules which was a Greyhawk print item.