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#1 zombiegleemax Aug 26, 2005 11:47:42	I know that some people have copies of the book already and I was wondering when it was going to be available on the Mass Market. Is it a good book?
#2 cam_banks Aug 26, 2005 16:39:04	I know that some people have copies of the book already and I was wondering when it was going to be available on the Mass Market. Is it a good book? September. Yes, it is a very good book. Cheers, Cam
#3 zombiegleemax Aug 26, 2005 16:41:13	Early or more towards the end of the month?
#4 cam_banks Aug 26, 2005 16:43:48	Early or more towards the end of the month? Let me check. "Signs point to yes." Cheers, Cam
#5 wolffenjugend_dup Aug 26, 2005 23:07:42	Man, what I'd give for a straight answer. Wasn't it supposed to come out in May? Then June? Then July? Then August? Now September? If there's delays, fine. But be up front about them and don't try to sweep them under the carpet. For me, this has become a serious gripe about SP. Looks to me like they need a manager who can meet deadlines. If I tried to pull this stuff at work, I'd be looking for a new job in no time...
#6 cam_banks Aug 27, 2005 7:54:36	If there's delays, fine. But be up front about them and don't try to sweep them under the carpet. For me, this has become a serious gripe about SP. Looks to me like they need a manager who can meet deadlines. If I tried to pull this stuff at work, I'd be looking for a new job in no time... If you did this for a living, you'd be in the same boat. The book trade should have the book for sale in September. I have no idea what exact street date to tell you - Jamie's the one who can do that. This has been a particularly bad summer for game book publishers and their releases, and it's an industry that relies heavily on freelancers (like me). With any luck the book is released with as few errors as possible, which can be a challenge all by itself at times! But Holy Orders is a real product, one that many who attended GenCon were able to pick up, and preorders for the book have already been filled. So! Look for it as soon as the distributers can get it to the stores. Cheers, Cam
#7 wolffenjugend_dup Aug 27, 2005 19:27:59	Thanks. Now if SP will just come out and say that upfront in future, things will be peachy. ;)
#8 zombiegleemax Aug 29, 2005 10:52:57	Dont complain, Wolfenguard, many people dont appreciate it. After all, fallibility and not being honest with fans is appreciated.
#9 cam_banks Aug 29, 2005 13:03:04	Dont complain, Wolfenguard, many people dont appreciate it. After all, fallibility and not being honest with fans is appreciated. Except, I don't have any problems with wolffenjugend's posts. Cheers, Cam
#10 Dragonhelm Aug 29, 2005 13:24:21	Dont complain, Wolfenguard, many people dont appreciate it. After all, fallibility and not being honest with fans is appreciated. Tsk tsk, Jason. I would think by now that you would realize that it's okay to voice a complaint so long as it doesn't fall into the realm of harassment or badgering. Wolffenjugend's (note the spelling) comments were just fine. We probably should get back to topic, though. I'd love to hear more feedback from those who have a copy of Holy Orders.
#11 kalthandrix Aug 29, 2005 14:24:52	Tsk tsk, Jason. I would think by now that you would realize that it's okay to voice a complaint so long as it doesn't fall into the realm of harassment or badgering. Wolffenjugend's (note the spelling) comments were just fine. We probably should get back to topic, though. I'd love to hear more feedback from those who have a copy of Holy Orders. Again with the 'spelling lawyers' :D I am interested in seeing exactly what is in HOotS (hehe HOOTS! Cool! :P ). I have not really heard that much about it outside of this board and I have not decided if I will be picking it up yet. Anyone with a copy want to give us a brief summary of the chapters in the book (ie Chapter 1- History, Chapter 2- Races, ect).
#12 zombiegleemax Aug 29, 2005 14:28:22	Does it have the true form of the gods? Like, what does Paladine really look like besides a mage and a dragon. Same thing with the other gods....
#13 Dragonhelm Aug 29, 2005 14:33:06	Again with the 'spelling lawyers' :D You'll have to forgive me on that one. When you have a name like Trampas, you're a bit sensitive to how names are spelled.
#14 kalthandrix Aug 29, 2005 14:41:20	You'll have to forgive me on that one. When you have a name like Trampas, you're a bit sensitive to how names are spelled. S'all good- I was just giving you a hard time DH :D . I was told like five years ago by my college writing professor, and I quote, "Robert, you can write really well, but you can't spell for st."
#15 cam_banks Aug 29, 2005 14:56:59	Does it have the true form of the gods? Like, what does Paladine really look like besides a mage and a dragon. Same thing with the other gods.... The gods of Krynn don't have "true" forms. Any time they interact with a mortal (or even each other, such as in the Abyss to discuss Chaos) they manifest an aspect of their power. They don't have any actual form independent of those they create. Cheers, Cam
#16 zombiegleemax Aug 29, 2005 15:32:03	Kind of like the gods/goddesses of Earth. They don't have a "true form" either...
#17 zombiegleemax Aug 29, 2005 16:36:04	Dragonhelm, we are on a first name basis now? Where are the flowers and candy?
#18 kalthandrix Aug 29, 2005 17:55:25	Kind of like the gods/goddesses of Earth. They don't have a "true form" either... Will you please quit bringing up reality/god(s) into everything- everytime you do the thread gets shut down- Please- I m not trying to be a jerk but I would like more information of the GAME BOOK that this thread is about. Thank you. Sorry for my little rant :embarrass but WizO Sith has warned him several times before.
#19 zombiegleemax Aug 30, 2005 10:20:04	Do you think we could at least have a chapter break down of the book?
#20 zombiegleemax Sep 07, 2005 11:51:56	Is the book available on the mass market yet?
#21 omote Sep 07, 2005 12:01:32	This is probably the biggest book in the new DL line that i have been looking forward to. I can't wait till I get my grubby little hands on it. ..........................................Omote FPQ
#22 clarkvalentine Sep 07, 2005 12:07:10	Do you think we could at least have a chapter break down of the book? Ravenmantle wrote a review of it on this thread over at the DL forums: http://www.dragonlanceforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4827&page=14&pp=10
#23 zombiegleemax Sep 07, 2005 12:25:04	Read the review and that is why I am wondering if the book is available yet.
#24 cam_banks Sep 07, 2005 13:02:22	Read the review and that is why I am wondering if the book is available yet. Order it and find out! Cheers, Cam
#25 kalanth Sep 07, 2005 13:38:33	I ordered it, and guess what. . . .usually ships within 3 - 5 weeks. That tells me that Amazon does not have it yet. Heck, they canceled the original preorder that I had because the company, and I quote, "Thought the product had been canceled so we canceled the preorder." I can't wait for this, clerics are my second favorite class and anything that shines light on them for my gaming worlds, wether it be Dragonlance, Eberron, or a Homebrew, really tickles my. . . um. . . .well it tickles me.
#26 caeruleus Sep 07, 2005 15:04:23	My FLGSs are telling me that it's out. One of them sold out, and another one hasn't received theirs yet, but has one on order for me. They said I should get it this week.
#27 zombiegleemax Sep 07, 2005 17:39:00	Order it and find out! Cheers, Cam Order it and find out if it is avaliable? That doenst make sense, especially if Amazon says it will ship 3-5 weeks and the DL store still has it as a pre-order and are out of town until Monday.
#28 cam_banks Sep 07, 2005 17:42:25	Order it and find out if it is avaliable? That doenst make sense, especially if Amazon says it will ship 3-5 weeks and the DL store still has it as a pre-order and are out of town until Monday. Sovereign Press are the only ones who really know when/if you can see in it stores. Some people say they already have seen it. You'll need to wait until Monday to get an official answer, in any event. Cheers, Cam
#29 kalanth Sep 07, 2005 19:54:17	Think about it this way, you have made it this far without the book, whats a few more days/weeks/months without it? Patience is a virtue, and though I am chomping at the bit for this book, I don't really think I should bite anyones head off for it not being available yet.
#30 raistlinrox Sep 07, 2005 20:15:23	My amazon order says that it should ship Sep 23 or so. The people who have it already are the people who bought it at gencon, dragoncon, or people who pre-ordered it from DL.com.
#31 zombiegleemax Sep 08, 2005 10:22:49	Patience is a virtue but virtue is its own reward.
#32 cam_banks Sep 08, 2005 10:34:08	Patience is a virtue but virtue is its own reward. Holy Orders is very rewarding, yes. Cheers, Cam
#33 kalanth Sep 08, 2005 11:07:42	Holy Orders is very rewarding, yes. Cheers, Cam You are a twisted man, you have fallen in love with teasing us about this book. :D
#34 zombiegleemax Sep 08, 2005 13:50:03	Twould appear that the Revered Sons and Daughters of Paladine are not included in the book.
#35 Dragonhelm Sep 08, 2005 13:58:45	Twould appear that the Revered Sons and Daughters of Paladine are not included in the book. Look under the entry for the Church of Paladine and you'll read plenty about them.
#36 cam_banks Sep 08, 2005 14:38:28	Twould appear that the Revered Sons and Daughters of Paladine are not included in the book. They're called "clerics". Cheers, Cam
#37 zombiegleemax Sep 08, 2005 15:58:59	So every cleric of Paladine is a revered son or daughter?
#38 cam_banks Sep 08, 2005 16:03:23	So every cleric of Paladine is a revered son or daughter? Yes, pretty much. Obviously the lowest level clerics are more likely to be regarded as acolytes or initiates, but Revered Son and Revered Daughter are terms akin to Father or Sister in the Christian churches. Cheers, Cam
#39 zombiegleemax Sep 08, 2005 16:09:25	So then, in game terms, at what level would one get the title Revered Son or Daughter?
#40 cam_banks Sep 08, 2005 22:52:34	So then, in game terms, at what level would one get the title Revered Son or Daughter? I don't know. Casting third level spells works for wizards of High Sorcery, so you could assume any 5th level cleric or higher could refer to themselves in this fashion. But it's not a level-based thing, it's a title. Cheers, Cam
#41 zombiegleemax Sep 09, 2005 1:51:50	Is the book available on the mass market yet? For some reason this reminds me of Donkey from Shrek 2 :D Just kidding! Since those of us who preordered the book have it, you can be pretty sure that the stores will have it very soon. The book has left the printer (obviously) so now it´s really up to logistics and all that. It´s a very well written book, and I for one found it to be more than worth the wait! Ravenmantle
#42 zombiegleemax Sep 09, 2005 13:58:54	Ravenmantle, do u have a history of your KOL?
#43 zombiegleemax Sep 09, 2005 22:28:54	Forgive my ignorance but what is this book your talking about could someone please give me a basic summary what its about or what it contains
#44 zombiegleemax Sep 09, 2005 22:45:17	It´s a book that deals with the gods of Krynn and their mortal servants. The book is for us with the D&D system. This is the book we're talking about: Holy Orders of the Stars Here´s a review of the book: Review Ravenmantle
#45 wolffenjugend_dup Sep 11, 2005 9:39:15	From the review it sounds really good. I've had it on order from Amazon for months so hopefully it'll be delivered in the next couple weeks...
#46 zombiegleemax Sep 12, 2005 11:26:37	Is the Dragonlance store open yet?
#47 cam_banks Sep 12, 2005 12:25:54	Is the Dragonlance store open yet? Rather than ask the general Dragonlance community, why don't you just email them and ask? You can send questions about releases and orders to [email]sales@sovpress.com[/email]. It's the best way to get an answer. Cheers, Cam
#48 zombiegleemax Sep 12, 2005 14:20:50	so calling is no good?
#49 clarkvalentine Sep 12, 2005 14:25:29	so calling is no good? Nobody who frequents this board actually works for SP (Jamie occasionally posts here, but not often). Even Cam is a contracted freelancer, not an employee. We don't know what their office situation is on any given day. These questions are best directed at SP.
#50 zombiegleemax Sep 12, 2005 16:03:12	so calling is no good?
#51 cam_banks Sep 12, 2005 17:24:42	so calling is no good? Repeated, one-line questions aimed at the message boards certainly aren't. Cheers, Cam
#52 kalanth Sep 12, 2005 17:37:06	Repeated, one-line questions aimed at the message boards certainly aren't. Cheers, Cam so calling IS no good? :D Sorry, had to do it. Treymordin, if you want to call, its Always better than just sitting around and asking through e-mail or just waiting. Be proactive, take the advice given, and go ask SP because we don't know anything, we just make up answers that sound good. ;)
#53 zombiegleemax Sep 13, 2005 11:18:53	Kalanth, are you part of SP?
#54 cam_banks Sep 13, 2005 11:23:19	Passersby were amazed at the unusually large amounts of blood. Cheers, Cam
#55 zombiegleemax Sep 13, 2005 12:00:55	Ravenmantle, do u have a history of your KOL? Aye, I do but I´ll just keep that to myself Might do a writeup of the dude (if I can find my old Char Sheet) and post him on the Dragonlance forums or the Nexus. Ravenmantle
#56 kalanth Sep 13, 2005 21:58:36	Kalanth, are you part of SP? I don't have to be part of SP to know the advice I have given is sound.
#57 zombiegleemax Sep 14, 2005 11:08:25	As the front page of Dragonlance.com indicates, Holy Orders has shipped out to distributors and should be all over the place next week. Questions via [email=sales@sovpress.com]e-mail[/email] or by phone (262-248-2419, from 9:00 AM to 5:00 PM CDT) are both fine. Enjoy! Jamie Chambers Sovereign Press, Inc.
#58 frostdawn Sep 14, 2005 11:09:32	Passersby were amazed at the unusually large amounts of blood. Cheers, Cam
#59 zombiegleemax Sep 14, 2005 12:19:58	Oh no, now you've smeared it all over the floor :D
#60 Dragonhelm Sep 14, 2005 12:36:02	Great, now we're going to need a Healing Hand of Mishakal. Wait, there's one in Holy Orders of the Stars! :D
#61 frostdawn Sep 14, 2005 15:12:54	Oh no, now you've smeared it all over the floor :D heh, it's like a slip 'n slide from hell, but with laughter. Wait, how does that work?!
#62 clarkvalentine Sep 14, 2005 15:22:55	Great, now we're going to need a Healing Hand of Mishakal. That, or a Mighty Mop of Reorx.
#63 zombiegleemax Sep 15, 2005 11:09:15	That, or a Mighty Mop of Reorx. I was thinking more along the lines of a Sizziling Swiffer(wet) of Sirrion
#64 Dragonhelm Sep 15, 2005 11:12:41	I was thinking more along the lines of a Sizziling Swiffer(wet) of Sirrion I was trying to come up with something for Swiffer, but I couldn't. :D Guess I needed a Helping Hand of Mishakal. ;)
#65 zombiegleemax Sep 19, 2005 17:14:00	Great book with some great art!