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#1 zombiegleemax Sep 04, 2005 16:14:46	If a Defiler, Master of the way undegoes the transformation into a Kaisharga, can they still attempt the dragon metamorphisis, or is undeath an end to that process. The other question stemming from this is, were Dregoth's attention not so directly focused on godhood could he continue to advance in the metamorphisis or is his state unusual in that he is a ressurected dragon already, thus halting his progress.
#2 Pennarin Sep 04, 2005 16:57:30	Mmm, you've uncovered a serious lack in the PrC and spell(s). The PrC should read: Race: Any living dragon. And the spell(s) should read: Target: Personal (must be living) Now as far as I know (i.e. I don't work in the epic bureau) undeath is a show-stoper for dragonhood: you can't become a dragon or continue advancing as one. Dregoth Ascending Part 3 may reveal details about that which might contradict what is currently known.
#3 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Sep 04, 2005 17:00:50	Mmm, you've uncovered a serious lack in the PrC and spell(s). The PrC should read: And the spell(s) should read: Now as far as I know (i.e. I don't work in the epic bureau) undeath is a show-stoper for dragonhood: you can't become a dragon or continue advancing as one. Dregoth Ascending Part 3 may reveal details about that which might contradict what is currently known. BAH! I thought that was covered. Oh wait.... it is... with the Metamorphosis seed (or it SHOULD be)--which the rules for that aren't out yet. But you are correct, you must be living to be able to cast the spells. I do believe, however, that you should be able to keep taking levels in the PrC living or dead--you just can't cast the spells on yourself if you aren't alive (hense Dregoth's being stuck at the 9th stage of development). And no comments about Dregoth Ascending from me--I'm not part of that conversion team.
#4 Pennarin Sep 04, 2005 17:15:44	Right, PrC progression is still possible. My bad. As for the seed, if it clearly indicates its not possible to change yourself with it if you are undead, then its perfect.
#5 nytcrawlr Sep 04, 2005 18:19:44	As far as Drgoth is concerned, I would just make him the exception due to the amount of power he was wielding and playing with in DA. Everyone else stops dead in their tracks as far as advancing in the metamorphisis is concerned. But that's just my 2cp for the latter.
#6 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Sep 05, 2005 0:39:04	As far as Drgoth is concerned, I would just make him the exception due to the amount of power he was wielding and playing with in DA. Everyone else stops dead in their tracks as far as advancing in the metamorphisis is concerned. But that's just my 2cp for the latter. Well.... I'd say that Dregoth could concievably, in all his power, solve the problem and invent a new seed that gets around that restriction if push came to shove. Or, as my theory is that Dregoth invented the Dragon Metamorphosis spells and process during the Cleansing Wars (while he stayed in Giustenal for a very long time and wasn't really actively hunting Giants), he could easily look up his old notes, and make the necessary adjustments. He's just been...preoccupied.
#7 seker Sep 05, 2005 19:37:18	Actually the metamorphosis seed is very specific about only being able to target living creatures, as it transforms/evolves living flesh only. This is part of the seed.... the main reason the seed has not been released with the dragons is that we want to make sure it is balanced for the avangion metamorphosis, the dragon metamorphsois, as well as other combinations fully before it is released. We are being extremely careful on the seed to keep it balanced, and minimize any adverse effects to campaigns. On the progression on the PrC, as it is exploring the aspects of the already changed nature of the would be dragon, it would still be able to be advanced..... as you are exploring the new ways you can harness energy vs actual new changes.
#8 zombiegleemax Sep 06, 2005 9:12:56	Just a question would becoming undead stop the dragon madness? my opinion is yes it would as the madness to me is a kind of hunger and rage which being undead would negate any other opinions?
#9 jon_oracle_of_athas Sep 06, 2005 14:43:43	Just a question would becoming undead stop the dragon madness? my opinion is yes it would as the madness to me is a kind of hunger and rage which being undead would negate any other opinions? Yes, another theory would be that the trauma of becoming undead and trapped in a decaying body would just fuel your madness to new dimensions, leading you eventually to such delusions as genocide and godhood. As an example of hunger and undead, there are undead that are compulsioned to eat living flesh and others driven by hate, so there is evidence for hunger and rage being tied to undead.
#10 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Sep 06, 2005 23:23:32	Just a question would becoming undead stop the dragon madness? my opinion is yes it would as the madness to me is a kind of hunger and rage which being undead would negate any other opinions? Dregoth didin't become undead until he was already stage-9, and close to stage-10. You start the animalistic rampages at stage 5. That means for stages 5, 6, 7, and 8, there is no accounting for his madness--which should have been noticeable. Dregoth had some other means to eliminate the insanity--or at least, the most hazardous parts. Considering he's a megalomaniacal freak with delusions of divinity that was slain and came back in a sort of kaisharga undead form... I don't think "Dregoth" and "Sanity" are exactly words that work well together. He just was somehow able to mitigate the mad animalistic (primal, instinct-driven) destruction that the rampage period would bring. However, you need some living body to do the transformation. If Dregoth's body somehow became a construct, he'd be no more able to finish the last stage than he can do now (DA might change some things on this).