Dromites in the bug lands or other insectoid regions

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#1

zombiegleemax

Sep 04, 2005 16:23:35
Dromites seem a fitting addition to Athas and as the world was unfinished by TSR I have to wonder could they exist on Athas?

I noted that in the ToA they are left out when the acceptable creatures from other suplements is mentioned, is there a reason for this? Other than the lack of mention of them existing, my reasons for this stem from my re-reading of the ToDL supplement put forth by Athas.org, there is mention of other insectoid races, ones hinted at but not listed. Could the Dromites be one of these races? Could the dromites and possibly the Bee people's (can't recall name) from MM3 be living in these lands beyond the known world?

And before you say:"Sure you are the GM of your game if you say so they do" understand I have a searching, inquisitive, and meticulous nature, if my fellow DS enthusiasts think that they are unappropriate,or that the Kreen empire would have wiped them from the face of Athas in their expansion and have good logic behind their suppositions, then I will yield to the collective wisdom of my fellows, and accept them as non Athasian.


There they are, my 3 posts, sorry for the post bomb of the day, but as usual I do things en masse, and after last nights gaming session where, the players, as players are wont to do (They decided to head to Kurn, and a player who recently died asked to play a Dromite, the Kaisharga question came from an after game discussion about undeath and Dregoth...) surprised me with unexpected queries, I came to the forums to seek the counsel of my fellows.

Alexis- notorious multiposter of the boards LOL
#2

Pennarin

Sep 04, 2005 16:49:39
And before you say:"Sure you are the GM of your game if you say so they do" understand I have a searching, inquisitive, and meticulous nature [...]

Loving you more and more!

Alexis- notorious multiposter of the boards LOL

Heh, not even close yet :P ;)

I'd say dromites could easily be a slave race of the kreen. A creation of the priests of change, a humanoid-like insectile race of kreen stock or not.
They would be found at the core of the empire, and slowly their numbers are increasing and soon we'll see them near the borders of the empire, and beyond.

The kreen could be grooming them as a warrior slave race, a bit like the SKs did with the half-giants, or FR's drows did for the duergar.
#3

Kamelion

Sep 04, 2005 16:59:47
Dromites seem a fitting addition to Athas and as the world was unfinished by TSR I have to wonder could they exist on Athas?

I noted that in the ToA they are left out when the acceptable creatures from other suplements is mentioned, is there a reason for this?

After the last release of ToA, we did have a discussion in the Monster Bureau about adding more races from the XPH to the list in Terrors of Athas (as well as the possibility of adding some as player races to the core rules). In the end, we decided that, for the most part, the player races from the XPH would require too much tweaking (either to their own flavour or to the DS setting) to incorporate them. However, the dromites were one race that we all pretty much agreed would be the easiest fit and, as a consequence, they will be added to the list of acceptable creatures in the next release of Terrors of Athas (currently in preparation), although I don't think that we'll be seeing them added to the DS core rules.
#4

Sysane

Sep 04, 2005 19:10:00
Random idea.

You could use the idea that maybe the last remaining goblins from the Green Age were accidently transformed into dromites. Maybe they were to close to the Pristine Tower during the close of the Cleansing Wars?
#5

squidfur-

Sep 04, 2005 19:28:43
Hey Penn, didn't you have it that the illithids (found southeast of the deadlands IIRC) had enslaved a large number of dromites?
#6

Pennarin

Sep 04, 2005 19:51:30
Yes, but since my illithid ideas will not, and should not, become official material, then I can try and plug the dromites elsewhere where they can be official.
What better place than amongst the kreen, the only other intelligent insectile race?
#7

zombiegleemax

Sep 05, 2005 2:42:35
Dromites seem a fitting addition to Athas and as the world was unfinished by TSR I have to wonder could they exist on Athas?

I did a fluff conversion for the little buggers a month or so ago. It's in the rules section of my website.
#8

ruhl-than_sage

Sep 05, 2005 2:59:55
I think the idea of having the Dromites as a slave race, and possibly even a creation of the Zik-Chil is a great idea. They could be breed as a warrior race or more likely as a advaced scout/infiltration race for the kreen invasion of the tablelands. Seeing as they are more humaniod then the kreen they could much more easily disguise themselves in order to infiltrate tablelands society.

Of course they could also be the dominate race on the otherside of the sea of silt or some other unexplored region of Athas.

Kudos to Darkenstarr from bring up the idea ;) :D
#9

xlorepdarkhelm_dup

Sep 05, 2005 17:42:12
I'd have Dromites be one of the New Races. One that could easily have survived and propagated, becoming something a true race untio themselves. I have considered bringing the Dromites into my campaigns.
#10

zombiegleemax

Sep 06, 2005 2:30:54
Actually a combination of the ideas put forth in here might suit my campaign best, dromites in a primitive form crossed from one of the unknown regions, being a hunter gatherer, nomadic people, they stumbled into the Kreen empire, where the Zik'chil reshaped and advanced them into a fitting servitor race. Occassionally a dromite will find it cannot submit fully to its Kreen overlords, and wi;ll flee the Crimson Sav. heading through the Hinterlands, occassionally, very occassionally, one will make it through the Hinterlands and into the Tablelands....

err the idea and the race will need some tweaking but I am glad to have stimulated the juices of change in Athas as we know and accept it.

Alexis
#11

Sysane

Sep 06, 2005 12:40:25
Actually a combination of the ideas put forth in here might suit my campaign best, dromites in a primitive form crossed from one of the unknown regions, being a hunter gatherer, nomadic people, they stumbled into the Kreen empire, where the Zik'chil reshaped and advanced them into a fitting servitor race. Occassionally a dromite will find it cannot submit fully to its Kreen overlords, and wi;ll flee the Crimson Sav. heading through the Hinterlands, occassionally, very occassionally, one will make it through the Hinterlands and into the Tablelands....

I may use this for my game with a slight variation with my goblin theory. It could be that the last remaining goblins fled to the Kreen lands during the Cleansing Wars. There they pleaded with the Zik'chil to protect them from Daskinor. In agreeing to aid the goblins the Zik'chil reshaped them into dromites in order to have them become a servitor worthy of the Kreen Empire.
#12

ruhl-than_sage

Sep 06, 2005 15:46:37
Those are both really interesting takes on the idea
#13

squidfur-

Sep 08, 2005 17:56:16
Yes, but since my illithid ideas will not, and should not, become official material...

Should not???

Oh, but why, my friend?

This is quite possibly the best fan-based campaign expansion out there IMO. I'd like nothing more than to see it become official. It's just that good, Penn.

Come on, won't you please reconsider?
#14

Pennarin

Sep 09, 2005 5:57:06
Should not???

Oh, but why, my friend?

This is quite possibly the best fan-based campaign expansion out there IMO. I'd like nothing more than to see it become official. It's just that good, Penn.

Come on, won't you please reconsider?

Geez...that's somethin'.

Well thanks Sage.

Should not because, one, its incomplete and will probably stay incomplete forever, so it would require external input to complete, thus probably would take new and undesired directions that would lessen the whole, not stengthen it, and second because its about illithids, and many people would hate to see them as part of the setting, plus all the other people who already hate lifeshapes, it would mean this would be the most controversial and least popular supplement by athas.org (if they ever decided to pick it up for distribution).

A far more popular and less controversial supplement would be about athasian yuan'ti, for example. I'm personnaly hoping athas.org makes one one day...

As for my campaign expansion being the best out there...I wouldn't say so. Personanly I believe it has a lot for itself, but then i'm terribly biased and can't tell if its true or false anymore. Afghan's Silt Archipelago expansion is better made, although it too has failings.
I'd have to say that the expansion that made me tick the most was Lawkeeper Efkenu's Guistenal Net-Project. I gave a paper copy to Kamelion so he could scan it with a software that recognizes lettering, so he could post the project back on the net where it belongs (the author as been incomunicado for years).
#15

Kamelion

Sep 09, 2005 14:31:57
I gave a paper copy to Kamelion so he could scan it with a software that recognizes lettering, so he could post the project back on the net where it belongs (the author as been incomunicado for years).

On the subject of which, the hardcopy has been scanned and I am currently formatting it into a legible document. Should be done very soon...
#16

Pennarin

Sep 09, 2005 14:40:40
On the subject of which, the hardcopy has been scanned and I am currently formatting it into a legible document. Should be done very soon...

[Insert here expression of joy]
#17

Kamelion

Sep 09, 2005 17:20:50
It's done .

I have it as a Word doc and as a pdf - email me, anyone, if you'd like a copy. Also, if someone would like to host the doc, that would be cool also...
#18

Pennarin

Sep 09, 2005 19:26:52
Is that the net-project and the short story?
#19

Kamelion

Sep 09, 2005 19:45:39
Yes, both. It comes to about 11 pages. I mailed it to you .
#20

Pennarin

Sep 10, 2005 1:47:14
...and I sent a distress signal on the same email-frequency: the documents were considered, by Hotmail, to be full of viruses, so can you please send it all to [email]pennarin@gmail.com[/email]?
#21

Kamelion

Sep 10, 2005 6:41:35
How odd - Hotmail and Yahoo at my end detect none. No worries - sent to the gmail address .
#22

huntercc

Sep 10, 2005 9:43:34
I can't attach pictures to my emails because Hotmail always claims they are viruses... yet no other antivirus program I use agrees with Hotmail
#23

xlorepdarkhelm_dup

Sep 10, 2005 9:52:33
I can't attach pictures to my emails because Hotmail always claims they are viruses... yet no other antivirus program I use agrees with Hotmail

Bah, get something better than Hotmail. I have about 100 gmail invites, so anyone who's interested...
#24

ruhl-than_sage

Sep 12, 2005 19:46:28
go gmail, Its the best! :D :D