1. Tyr and Kurn, due to their democratic rule, become bastions of progress in the Tablelands. Historians and explorers from Tyr press westward and discover relics of ancient psionic power and blue age weapons, which are harnessed for the betterment of society. Due to the institution of written records scholars from generation to generation can learn from each other. Consequently Tyr grows and becomes more powerful, while it is constantly attacked by Urik and other cities. Kurn becomes a hidden refuge of wisdom and makes great progress in studying the arcane arts.
Eventually, Tyr begins a somehow familliar campaign of "spreading freedom" to the rest of the land through war.
2. All the city states become more populous as conditions on Athas improve due to widespread persecution of magic users. The secrets of defiling begin to disappear from the land as psionic-divination-using squads from the city-states hunt down and destroy the purveyors of such knowledge.
3. The Thri-kreen invade the Tablelands and a war begins that lasts on and off all the way up to the campaign beginning. Kreen are no longer welcome members of the citizenry of the Tablelands, but captured members of that race provide constant fodder for the gladiatorial games.
4. Nibenay becomes a full dragon and departs the Tablelands to explore beyond the silt sea. Nibenay and Gulg become the Twin Cities of the Oba, who has finally changed her ways and, though she is no less sinister, seeks aggressively to restore Athas to the green age.
5. Tyrian society eventually becomes decadent and corrupt in its newfound power (maybe). I think it would be cool if they either developed or recovered artifacts that would make like easier for them, like moisture generators or something (kind of like bound elementals in Eberron), but that they couldn't reproduce.
I'm not sure what else. If anyone has an idea or wants to refute (or add to) mine, please do.
I think the idea about defilers about to go the way of the do-do are unrealistic given the nature of the SK's. The SK's themselves employ defilers for their own purposes. Other than that, there some merits to your vision.
i agree, the problem is that without some outside means of compulsion, the probability of delifing exists in every single wizard out there, with the possible exeception of AB's and pyreens. while i can think of ways around this, they all involve outside forces making the cast act a certain way (making someone a necromant, or a black-touched, would give them access to those sources, and then you could curse them to never be able to use plant or animal life again!!!)
that being said, i think that the tablelands woudl slowly work towards returning to the green age, depending on what happens with Dregoth. the remaining SK's, minus Dregoth and Daskinor, understand that the status quo has changed and that things no longer need to be what they were. there is no more prison to maintain (although some would disagree) and this would signal a chance at a different way of life. over time, i think that each SK would come to really love their city, and work hard to protect it and nuture it's growth. i think that they could work towards what i call "the greening."
but then again, we do have mad SK's, Tithian in the storm, the Kreen, the Deadlands, the returning Rhulisti, and Andy's return (as a shadow AB in my game) to deal with. i suppose it would be the situation that could have developed in england during WWII. if the USA didn't join in and work to help them and establish a foothold in france to begin the invasion, then maybe everyone woudl be speaking german. i don't want to start a political/historical debate, just want to say that if the tablelands don't work together, then the are in for a lot of trouble from the outside world. with the psionatrix causing trouble for the Kreen, you better believe that they are going to hunt down some answers to aviod a future attempt at activation.
anyway, bit of a ramble. i guess the question is, where do you want your game to go?
600 years is a good span of time, a whole lot can happen in 600 years. even to the longest-lived race on Athas 600 years is several generations, and to a human 600 years is almost 30 generations.
with Tyr being a free city that is becoming more accepting of preservers, along with the shift in the way the Oba and Nibenay deal with the Crescent Forest, and Oronis being an avangion i can see that perhaps PRESERVERS would begin to gain more popularity over time, not enough to threaten the SK's per se, but enough to put them on an equal footing. i can see that this may breed a certain amount of competition between the two for magic spells, artifacts and the like. already the SK's are dwindling, beings of an older age, they aren't as numerous as before and those that are left are adapting to the changes in the world around them.
if anything i could see a sort of slow reversal to a Green Age Athas as both SKs, preservers, avangions and druids work to rebuild forests and restore the land. this may lead to conflict between para-elemental priests who wish to further the power and influence of their para-element. so perhaps a war would break out between para-elemental priests and those who are striving to breathe life back into the world again.
i can also see technology changing. iron and metal is still very rare, so unless rich ore deposits are discovered in new areas, this won't change all that much. however, life-shaped technology could begin to prosper and thrive as more cultures/peoples begin to find uses for it or learn to limitedly shape or adapt it (though not necessarily create entirely NEW life-shaped items). also, paper may become more prevalent. as the forests grow, the people of Athas could find ways to press and make paper for use in scrolls and books. this itself is quite an achievement and would change the way sorcerers stored their spell information, and how historians preserved historical accounts and information. this may bring about a surge in the use of magic and the teaching of magic, as well as a rennaisance of art/culture/discovery. this may also make the SKs uncomfortable or threaten what small grasp they may still have on the changing world.
there may be a resurgance of psionic items and technologies as well as people try to find ways that are not detrimental to the land. the discovery of Saragar and it's rulers as well as the ancient psionic items may open up to the studying of ways to build and create the obsidian engines of the Green Age. (part of my current campaign is the players showing to the Lords of the Last Sea just how much the world is changing, and to limitedly opening thier borders to Kurn and other small areas).
i'd imagine that as boundaries shift and change, small wars might erupt between different races or cities. there may be mass exodus from certain regions into new and unexplored or unknown regions, OR there may be visitors from parts of Athas that have been long forgotten for thousands of years.
finally, what about Rajaat? is he still in his prison after all this time? Androponis still has 400 years to serve in his prison in the Black. in 600 years will another event bring Rajaat back from his prison in the Hollow? is he finally destroyed? if so, how does this affect magic users? how does it affect the SKs? do they lose their powers? does it alter the how spell energy is summoned and used? or is Rajaat merely re-imprisoned for another indertiminate amount of time? or does he succeed (or NEARLY succeed) in restoring Athas to the Blue Age?
in the end anything is possible depending on how you see the events unfolding. however, no matter what, some of the flavor of the current world and setting will be lost simply because time changes all things. nothing lasts forever...not even sorcerer kings. if there's anything that is undeniably true about the Dark Sun setting is that change is inevitable. not only that, but it is part of life and survival to adapt to whatever changes occur. Athas wasn't always the dying world that it was, but neither was it always the Blue world that it was. if anything Athas is ever-changing in a cycle of birth, death and rebirth. so perhaps Athas isn't dying after all, but in a state of sleep and regeneration...an era of destruction and purification before life can once again thrive and grow...
1. I can't remember the exact details of "The Rise and Fall of a Dragon King," but it seems to me that by the end of it Hamanu and Rajaat were out of the picture.
2. Andropinis is going to escape from the black at some point. It's just inevitable--this is D&D, not reality. Archvillains who have been locked away always escape. When he gets loose he'll take over Balic.
3. 5 distinct powers in the tablelands will emerge. 1: Tyr, which will be renamed Agis because I hate the name Tyr, will be a power by itself. 2: The Draj Empire (or something to that effect) will include Draj, Raam (converted to a major slave-based agriculture center) and Eldaarich (where an iron mine will be discovered), and will feature long range psionic communication, brilliant military tactics, and a strong religious base (a new religion which I'll formulate). Dasknior will be slain or driven off. 3: Gulg and Nibenay, which will be controlled by Lalali-Puy and where a great emphasis will be put on all forms of divine and arcane magic (preserver style, of course). 4: Urik, which will have been claimed by the Threen and turned into a sort of bug utopia/ launching pad for invasions. All the other races will be inslaved. 5: Balic, which will develop incredible silt sailing skills, a strong economy, and will have great military and naval might.
4. Kurn doesn't figure in too strongly. Oronis will become fixated on building his own paradise and isolating his people from the outside world.
5. There will be lots of roving war bands, and constant spy games and treachery between cities will occur. There will be athletic teams, including gladiatorial, based in cities that will travel around to have matches.
6. The sun will become more yellow and some of Athas's greenery will be restored.
7. Slavery will be EVEN MORE RAMPANT than before. Because of large population increases and the development of a need for more items by the middle and upper classes, most people will become slaves or be born into slavery.
8. Tyr will discover Blue Age and Green Age technologies, like bottomless cisterns and elevators, and maybe a metro-travel system similar to Eberron's lightning rail, but psionic.
Well, that's all I can think of for now. Comments, please.
- Raam was ruled by Dreagoth
- Atzutek got himself some good ol'e dragonness, and rules in Draj
- Andy found his way out of the black, and is back home in Balic
- Dwarves got over that whole "hair" hangup, and are kicking it european style
- Tyr was, I think, still free. Sadira might have still been watching over it.
No mention of Kurn or Eldaarich.
Given that it wasn't an unreasonable future, we'll be angling towards that with our timeline at athas.org ...
There is an established "future" athas -- released about a year and a half ago in Dragon/Dungeon (look for dungeon ... 110?) ... at any rate, the timeline was at FY 300 or so.
Given that it wasn't an unreasonable future, we'll be angling towards that with our timeline at athas.org ...
Given that it wasn't an unreasonable future, we'll be angling towards that with our timeline at athas.org ...
Is everyone at athas.org besides myself and xlorep a bunch of sell outs and yes men (is there any women left since the removal of the hermaphodite Neeva?)? :P
/me runs
- Atzutek got himself some good ol'e dragonness, and rules in Draj
I don't have a major issue with this, but it better be explained pretty thouroughly how he was able to get to that point since he was a controlled puppet at one point (if memory serves).
- Andy found his way out of the black, and is back home in Balic
I have some issue with this, Paizo seemed to forget about the whole 1,000 years imprisoned in the Black thing and didn't define how he got out very well. As much as I like bringing SMs back, I think he needs to stay iin the black a bit longer.
- Dwarves got over that whole "hair" hangup, and are kicking it european style
Oh hell no!
I'm not willing to accept that within 300 years the dwarven race is all about being hairy again and worshipping the all-mighty SMs when that is dynamically opposed to what they are all about in the present.
:P
I'm not willing to accept that within 300 years the dwarven race is all about being hairy again and worshipping the all-mighty SMs when that is dynamically opposed to what they are all about in the present.
:P
Yeah I'm not down with that either. How and why would they grow hair in only 300 years, if they aren't showing any doevelopment on that they could or that they will. Athasian dwarves are unique! As are the athasian elves. They should never change, unless the green age comes back and has drastic influence on their development.
I am as bald as my father and I'm proud of it!!
Yeah I'm not down with that either. How and why would they grow hair in only 300 years, if they aren't showing any doevelopment on that they could or that they will. Athasian dwarves are unique! As are the athasian elves. They should never change, unless the green age comes back and has drastic influence on their development.
I am as bald as my father and I'm proud of it!!
The day DS dwarves start growing beards is the day that Forgotten Reamls and DragonLance invade Athas and kick the crap out of them.
Come on now! The best feature of DS is that it is NOT like other gaming worlds- Paizo just released that stuff in Dungeon and Dragon to turn a quick buck without really looking back over the material and seeing how poorly they were trying to spin off a 3.5 version of DS.
Yeah I'm not down with that either. How and why would they grow hair in only 300 years, if they aren't showing any doevelopment on that they could or that they will. Athasian dwarves are unique! As are the athasian elves. They should never change, unless the green age comes back and has drastic influence on their development.
I am as bald as my father and I'm proud of it!!
If I was running the +300 timeline, I would have only the youngest generation of Dwarves going for beards and hair, on the grounds that Borys is dead, and with him, the reason for being hairless.
What I definitely can't stomach is the notion that Dwarves generally worship the Sorcerer-Kings...
The day DS dwarves start growing beards is the day that Forgotten Reamls and DragonLance invade Athas and kick the crap out of them.
Exactly my saying....my opinion, dwarves on athas with hair = CRAP.
If I was running the +300 timeline, I would have only the youngest generation of Dwarves going for beards and hair, on the grounds that Borys is dead, and with him, the reason for being hairless.
Well that's the thing. The hairless thing is a genetics thing now, and less so just dwarves shaving themselves. Sure there are some that just shave it off cause they don't have the hairless gene, but it's hard for me to swallow the fact that the gene becomes more pronounce through time rather than more regressive. It doesn't make sense genetically.
So in 300 years, there should be even less dwarves that need to shave. so there would be a very small minority, not a majority of hairy dwarves.
Well that's the thing. The hairless thing is a genetics thing now, and less so just dwarves shaving themselves. Sure there are some that just shave it off cause they don't have the hairless gene, but it's hard for me to swallow the fact that the gene becomes more pronounce through time rather than more regressive. It doesn't make sense genetically.
So in 300 years, there should be even less dwarves that need to shave. so there would be a very small minority, not a majority of hairy dwarves.
I'm not following your whole genetics thing here. How is being naturally bald a genetic advantage for dwarves?
Also, I'm curious to know about this whole dwarves are bald because of Borys thing.
I'm not following your whole genetics thing here. How is being naturally bald a genetic advantage for dwarves?
I didn't say it was an advantage, just saying it's genetic and that the genetic gene would continue to grow throughout the dwarven population, therefore making dwarves that actually have hair, less likely.
Maybe my wording was bad.
Also, I'm curious to know about this whole dwarves are bald because of Borys thing.
Trying to remember where that came from, but dwarves started shaving themselves as a pact thing against Borys, and would only start growing hair again once he was dead.
I'm probably screwing that all up too. Anyone have a better idea where this was from since I'm bookless at the moment?
Trying to remember where that came from, but dwarves started shaving themselves as a pact thing against Borys, and would only start growing hair again once he was dead.
I'm probably screwing that all up too. Anyone have a better idea where this was from since I'm bookless at the moment?
I vagely recall that there was a ritual or something in which dwarven babies are kinda dipped or covered in some kind os solution with a high ratio of lye in it. The young have their faces covered to protect their eyes and so they do not breath it in (so they do have eye lashes and most dwarves pluck the little hair they have from their eyebrows).
That is about all I can recall- I just know the the very idea of hair on their bodies grosses out most dwarves.
Trying to remember where that came from, but dwarves started shaving themselves as a pact thing against Borys, and would only start growing hair again once he was dead.
I'm probably screwing that all up too. Anyone have a better idea where this was from since I'm bookless at the moment?
It's from Wisdom of the Drylanders:
Another interesting tale about vows is the reported story of how dwarves became hairless: a great dwarven king Vowed to kill some dwarf-butcher long ago, and apparently failed. Somehow the failure of this Vow demanded the penalty that all dwarves everywhere remove their hair.
It's from Wisdom of the Drylanders:
So it's more of a pact thing and less than a genetic thing. I always thought it was a little bit of both and only did that ritual for those that were born with hair.
So I guess muls are hairless because of the combination of dwarf and human DNA and has nothing to do with dwarven hairless genetics.
I didn't say it was an advantage, just saying it's genetic and that the genetic gene would continue to grow throughout the dwarven population, therefore making dwarves that actually have hair, less likely.
It wasn't your wording. First of all genetic gene is redundant, the root word of genetic is gene, there is no other kind. Second traits don't just grow within a population without there being some sort of advantage to having them.
But, now that I think about it, I can see one way that it might be an advantage: Naturally hairless dwarves are considered more desirable mates. Because of this, they have more children on average than other dwarves. And, are more likely to mate with more genetically fit partners, resulting in stronger offspring. You could even say that it is looked on as a blessing meaning good fortune for the child.
Eh, I was just remembering something wrong, that's all, heh.
No, it is actually a combination of a vow and an apparently desirable genetic trait (as Ruhl-Than-Sage points out, hairless dwarves are more likely to have more children, thus propagating the baldness gene). The next bit of WotDL goes on to say:
The image of a hairy dwarf is amusing, since dwarves have come to hate hair and compulsively pick at the few hairs that do grow from their noses, ears, and eyelashes. According to our Oroscrit, some dwarves are not naturally bald at all, but are ritually buried as children in a mixture of lye and special ashes that prevent hair growth.
This supports the idea that baldness has become desireable amongst dwarves but also makes it clear that those who are born with hair undergo a ritual to remove it.
Is everyone at athas.org besides myself and xlorep a bunch of sell outs and yes men (is there any women left since the removal of the hermaphodite Neeva?)? :P
Riiiiight
Just because I'm willing to entertain what is, at the high level, a reasonable outcome for things, I'm a sellout? Ooooohkay, Nyt, time for you to go back on your medication.
Noonan / Pazio certainly was not the first to overlook the time frame on Andy's imprisonment ... we've discussed the same bloody thing here and on the DSML in the past, almost since PP5 was published. Andy's escape is hardly something unheard of.
There are dwarves in the current days who follow/worship the sorcerer kings. Kled is a village, not the whole of the dwarven kingdom. The hair thing ... well, that was pazio's editors being cute. It has very little to do with the world situation.
Elevating Atzutek to a dragon? That's certainly reasonable; he's already a powerful psion, what's so hard to belive about him following that path after he sheds the control of the psions and old-guard templars. Not saying it happens right away, but if you've been lied to, controlled, and manipulated to the point where your memories of your own childhood have been dramatically altered ... you'd do whatever you could to make sure that didn't happen to you again.
Dregoth in charge of Raam? Already starting.
The future-posit, at the large level, is reasonable and it follows, without too many great stretches. Sure, ignore the contradictory things, like dwarves with hair ... that's not the point. The point is that, once again, there are six city states ruled by a SK (of some kind) ... it's a return to the situation in the first boxed set, a static culture ruled by a bunch of tyrants ... the same thing half of the community used to complain about loosing with DS2.
Is it the future we would have come up with? I dunno, we hadn't dicussed an end-game situation. Is it a reasonable outcome, that doesn't jar with cannon so dramatically that it can't be seen? Nope. Therefore, rather than go and create yet more contradictions in the DS lore, I accept that as the "future" ...
Are we going to start pushing in that direction right away? No. Three hundred years is a lot of time to work with. Certainly, one event is already playing out, but there are other things that happen. Kreen invasion ... okay, so you know it ultimately fails to take hold, but that doesn't say how long the occupation is, or what is ultimately done to shake them off ...
Three hundred years is a lot of time to move the set pieces around.
Trying to remember where that came from, but dwarves started shaving themselves as a pact thing against Borys, and would only start growing hair again once he was dead.
I'm probably screwing that all up too. Anyone have a better idea where this was from since I'm bookless at the moment?
Prism Pentad. You find out about it I believe when the group is in Kled. Basicaly, it was something along the lines that the last of the Dwarven Kings, Rkard, swore on the bbeards of his people, to defeat Borys the Dwarf Butcher. Well, the implications were that he failed, because dwarves are completely bald. (note -- been a little bit since I read the novels, might have some little details off). It does seem to feel more like legend than actual historical facts, however I personally like the idea that the Dwarves are somehow genetically incapable of growing hair. I'm really not for making Dark Sun's races and other unique qualities be closer or more inline with the Core D&D materials.
Just because I'm willing to entertain what is, at the high level, a reasonable outcome for things, I'm a sellout? Ooooohkay, Nyt, time for you to go back on your medication.
It was a joke, get over yourself...
Noonan / Pazio certainly was not the first to overlook the time frame on Andy's imprisonment ... we've discussed the same bloody thing here and on the DSML in the past, almost since PP5 was published. Andy's escape is hardly something unheard of.
Fine, I still disagree with that.
There are dwarves in the current days who follow/worship the sorcerer kings.
Those are still a minority from what I understand. There are other dwarven settlements as well like Ledopolus and such, I wasn't strictly referring to Kled, that have just as much hatred towards the SMs as Kled does.
Elevating Atzutek to a dragon? That's certainly reasonable; he's already a powerful psion, what's so hard to belive about him following that path after he sheds the control of the psions and old-guard templars.
I never said that it was, but a full history of how he came about getting to this point would be nice. Especially since he doesn't have any wizard levels at this point yet.
Also, Paizo has him able to grant spells if I remember correctly. Not sure how this is possible since I thought the living vorticies were extinct now and those that remained where connected to the remaining SM's. And that the ability that granted SMs their power to grants spells was unique and shouldn't be allowed to happen again. If he's just going to be a ruler, then fine, I don't have issue with that overall.
Not to mention what happens to divine magic in general by that time (not Paizo's fault, they didn't have access to DA probably).
Dregoth in charge of Raam? Already starting.
Yep, don't have a problem with that, never did.
I'm thinking of setting my DS campaign about 600 years after the Prism Pentad. I thought that in this time, a few changes just might occur. Some of the ideas I had were:
3. The Thri-kreen invade the Tablelands and a war begins that lasts on and off all the way up to the campaign beginning. Kreen are no longer welcome members of the citizenry of the Tablelands, but captured members of that race provide constant fodder for the gladiatorial games.
Personally I'd make more of Dregoth in the future and a Thri-kreen invasion.
With Dregoth, as one of the most powerful remaining SKs, I'd go for an immediate expansion (such as that occurring) and then something more covert against Nibenay and Hammanu (not following RaFoDK).
Meanwhile the south gradually becomes enmeshed in a war with the Savanna kreen. After a lightning quick advance into the south of the Tablelands Tyr, Balic and the smaller towns and forts would eventually be forced into a coalition. The war would then drag on with a highly mobile kreen force and other nightmarish forms of kreen and insect emerging form the Savanna. Every generation of kreen evolving forms to cope with difficulties.
Although I’d have Je’ral Tableland kreen work against those of the Empire (with lots of oppertunities to find out more about the workings of the zik-chil and Empire).
I like the idea of a still hidden Dregoth emerging as a warlord against the kreen, taking human form (or a Pristine Tower mutation) to lead the fight and act as a saviour. He could then begin to corrupt and manipulate those around him, eventually forming an army of fanatics/worshippers ripe to use against the other SKs or free cities. Remember he was going for godhood...
I like the idea of a still hidden Dregoth emerging as a warlord against the kreen, taking human form (or a Pristine Tower mutation) to lead the fight and act as a saviour. He could then begin to corrupt and manipulate those around him, eventually forming an army of fanatics/worshippers ripe to use against the other SKs or free cities. Remember he was going for godhood...
This is good stuff, are you guys listening *hint hint*
Given that it wasn't an unreasonable future, we'll be angling towards that with our timeline at athas.org ...
I would rather say we will obstain from constructing material that conflicts with the future Paizo version of Athas. For example, we won't kill off Atzetuk or cleanse Athas of all dwarves. Our policy has been to continue the timeline from FY 11 in small steps, and I see no reason to change that. I believe the 300 year leap was intentional of Noonan, to give athas.org a fairly large timeframe to work with.
I would rather say we will obstain from constructing material that conflicts with the future Paizo version of Athas. For example, we won't kill off Atzetuk or cleanse Athas of all dwarves. Our policy has been to continue the timeline from FY 11 in small steps, and I see no reason to change that. I believe the 300 year leap was intentional of Noonan, to give athas.org a fairly large timeframe to work with.
Meh, tomato, tomato ... okay, so that doesn't work when written.
Anyway, I wasn't intending to suggest that we'd be doing all the work for getting there ... just allowing the groundwork to go into place, and not getting in the way. 300 years is a long time to work with, in anything but dwarven lifespans ....
And certainly not suggesting that we circumvent "other" plans and events because, for example, a kreen invasion wasn't mentioned. Bah.
Meh, tomato, tomato ... okay, so that doesn't work when written.
Heh, I believe you mean "tomato, tomatah" ? ;)
Forgotten Realms, Dragonlance, etc, do not thrive on the fans knowing 50 years from now Elminster will be killed and Netheril II will rise over Anauroch, or that 5 other great cataclysms will befall Krynn during the next few hundred years...
Is it only because the Paizo version exist? Would you have attempted to create a far future events schedule if Paizo hadn't placed its campaign so far from FY12?
Yah, what's the point of trying to stick to that crap anyway! It's not that I have huge problems with the piazo future for DS, but as Penn already suggested I don't want to know whats coming. Besides its not as if the Paizo DS articles were meant for actual serious DS fans anyway. You guys give more credence to those articles than you do to some of the Novels.
Yeah! What he said! :D
Yah, what's the point of trying to stick to that crap anyway! It's not that I have huge problems with the piazo future for DS, but as Penn already suggested I don't want to know whats coming. Besides its not as if the Paizo DS articles were meant for actual serious DS fans anyway. You guys give more credence to those articles than you do to some of the Novels.
[breathes heavily] Athas.org is weak! Join me, and we shall rule the DS community as father and son![/breathes heavily]
Great the lizard-thing and the mermaid-dude have joined forces- this must mean that the world IS ending
And the glowy-dominatrix is in the game!
And the glowy-dominatrix is in the game!
THATS just wrong!
And the glowy-dominatrix is in the game!
The designer is strong in this one...
THATS just wrong!
Open your mind Quaid.
Open your mind .
What is a Quaid??
I thought that we had already covered that my mind is open because you are all part of my imagination? :P
What is a Quaid
Watch Total Recall. ;)
Watch Total Recall. ;)
Qautto looked like a derranged cabbage patch kid.
Qautto looked like a derranged cabbage patch kid.
Indeed. I was just thinking similar thoughts yesterday about it.
Damn been so long since I've seen that movie, heh.
Watch Total Recall. ;)
Oh I "totally recall" now :D Watch out- I am hot today
Oh I "totally recall" now
*rimshot*
Indeed. I was just thinking similar thoughts yesterday about it.
Damn been so long since I've seen that movie, heh.
The scary thing is that I saw that movie in the theater when it first came out. Yikes!!!
I'm not following your whole genetics thing here. How is being naturally bald a genetic advantage for dwarves?
It's an advantage in that they have to endure the sweltering Athasian heat, and not having a bunch of smelly, sweaty, matted hair and a tangled, even sweatier beard would make one a lot more comfortable, and allow the body more of an opportunity to cool off, because no heat is being trapped.
It's an advantage in that they have to endure the sweltering Athasian heat, and not having a bunch of smelly, sweaty, matted hair and a tangled, even sweatier beard would make one a lot more comfortable, and allow the body more of an opportunity to cool off, because no heat is being trapped.
I see what you are saying, but there are many animals that live in extremely hot enviroments that are covered in fur, of course human hair (or dwarven hair) and fur aren't the same things, but they could be!