I encounter the same problem as Thom probably does - a blank page with indefinite loading time. I'm using IE 6.0.2900
Same here, even tried firefox at home to no avail.
Try this link instead.
http://ruhlthansage.multiply.com/photos/photo/1/1.jpg?
Not sure where the link you have came from, doesn't even look like a properly formatted multiply link, heh.
Ah well, the one I posted should work.
Tssskkk, ohhhhhhhh, isn't Sage a cuty in that photo?!
Made me do a double take...
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Made me do a double take...
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ROCK'N ROLL BABY!!
ROCK'N ROLL BABY!!
Tíhíhíhíhíhí
Are you guys hiting on me? Cause if you are thats just weird
I think our coffees were just spiked this morning.
At least that's what I'm using as an excuse.
I blame Penn, it's all his fault.
Anyway- Sage, great job. Would you be willing to do something like that for the merchant house Vordon from the Tryian Conspiracy adventure- I will begin running it next week and would love to have additional material to show the players.
I was wondering that myself when I was reading the last several posts!!
Anyway- Sage, great job. Would you be willing to do something like that for the merchant house Vordon from the Tryian Conspiracy adventure- I will begin running it next week and would love to have additional material to show the players.
Sure, I'll do that one next.
Sure, I'll do that one next.
You totally rock dude :D !!!!
You totally rock dude :D !!!!
He does, doesn't he?!
Are you guys hiting on me? Cause if you are thats just weird
How dare you call yourself rhul-thaun with all that beard?!
Yeah, he's got the wild hair thing down pat. But the beard has got to go!
Yeah, he's got the wild hair thing down pat. But the beard has got to go!
Noooo... I love my beard! Besides, I think it perfectly exceptable for halflings to have beards.
Yeah, he's got the wild hair thing down pat. But the beard has got to go!
NO WAY, the german Schnurbart RULES! I say it stays! Deutschland, Deutschland über alles!!!
NO WAY, the german Schnurbart RULES! I say it stays! Deutschland, Deutschland über alles!!!
The WHAT!! Exactly what is it you are talking about for all of us non-german speaking (and reading), uhhh, readers?
Sage- you should go Amish and shave the top lip- all the ladies like that
The WHAT!! Exactly what is it you are talking about for all of us non-german speaking (and reading), uhhh, readers?
Schnurbart = mustache
IRRC, he was just singing the 1st vers of the 1st strophe of the (old) german national hymn.
The lyric is translated like this:
Germany, Germany atop everything.
In germany it isn't welcome to sing it, as it has been the hymn of the nazi-dictated germany. I don't know if Master Ivan knew that, or was making a joke with it, but IMHO I don't think it's a very good idea to use this song.
I'm not going to say anything else....
"As Wolfheart walks out of the room he swears he can hear the song YMCA faintly in the background"
Sorry guys I couldn't help it!
Funny image.. a Mul, halfling, human and dwarf singing and dancing to the YMCA song.
But that actually makes me wonder what kind of music and instruments as well as dances that Athas might have. It would most certainly be as varied as the city states themselves, but what styles and would their be a interest in cross culture music. What Cities would place more importance on the voice or the look of the singer and would bards be the sole "voice" of music or would there be professional musicians as in a SK's court or maybe making a living entertaining at a local tavern.
To many holes were left in the world then DS got cut..
I think i'll start a thread for music...
Hope this link works for yah: House Vordon Banner
Maybe it's me, but wasnt it suppose to be a black "diamond" ? Vordon heraldry look much more to a black square than diamond? (although it's clean, but IMO)
You'd be surprised as to how medieval and renaissance people described heraldry.
Our way of thinking, in this modern era, is wayyy too photorealistic: a diamond can be a depiction of an actual diamond (facets, light catching in the matrix, etc) or it can be a lozange.
Maybe it's me, but wasnt it suppose to be a black "diamond" ? Vordon heraldry look much more to a black square than diamond? (although it's clean, but IMO)
Technically squares are diamonds when turned so that one of their corners points straight down. From my knowlege of heraldry (and english terminology), I believe that was what was meant. I could have made it a Non-Square Rhombiod Diamond (not sure if that's actually a word, but the root is: Rhombus), like the diamond from the typical suit of diamonds in a deck of cards, but I thought that a square one looked better and reminded me more of the strength of iron. A Non-Square Rhombus ( ;) or Equilateral Parallelogram if you prefer) looks squished and weakened in comparision to a square one.
Technically squares are diamonds when turned so that one of their corners points straight down. From my knowlege of heraldry (and english terminology), I believe that was what was meant. I could have made it a Non-Square Rhombiod Diamond (not sure if that's actually a word, but the root is: Rhombus), like the diamond from the typical suit of diamonds in a deck of cards, but I thought that a square one looked better and reminded me more of the strength of iron. A Non-Square Rhombus ( ;) or Equilateral Parallelogram if you prefer) looks squished and weakened in comparision to a square one.
Aaah, yes like Pen and you just told, you probably are right about the ancient heraldry. I will have to add that to my long list of thing to read
Oh! Btw, in french, in a deck of cards, the diamonds 13 cards set is called "Carré" which is "square", not diamond.If you want to use these nice words like Rhombus and such, I got no trouble, I am a sciences teacher (no need to translate) ;)
I didnt imply that your heraldry wasnt cute (which is cool in fact). I just wondered about the pictogram over it.
House Inika Banner
A plain gold circle on a black field, not much to work with here, :D so I used a minor lighting effect to make it look more interesting.
Hey there, I made the INIKA banner to see if I still knew how to get photoshop working.
OK. OK. you win. you posted first!
Here is a fresh
for each of you :D Keep up all the great work.House Shom Banner
This one turned out well. Luckly my wife had recently added a dragonfly brush to the brush set making things a lot easier than they would otherwise have been.
Next one:
House Shom Banner
This one is your best yet- love the dragonflys BTW.
This one is your best yet- love the dragonflys BTW.
Yah, I think it looks the most like real heraldry.
You beated me on this one though!
House M'ke Banner
Btw, I am out of the contest for the weekend
Go silly frog go!
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Well, I'm trying to make them look more realistic. Somewhat faded and with cloth textures, they are maybe too precise, but hey that the way I usually roll. Grummore's colors are straight up fully saturated colors, so yes they are more colorful. I just didn't figure a banner left out in the sun and exposed to the elements would look like that, but ya know I guess you get your choice of banners this way.
Indeed. Not that your's are horrid or anything, far from it, in fact it's still damn good work.
I just like Grum's more for some reason, it's an eye thing I guess.
...and I think having too many available to us is better than too few :D
Well, it's not like there wouldn't be more than one version of each banner being used...
Amen!
The banners are such close versions of each other that they can well be variations on the design.
:D
Ah yes- struck speechless from the glory of my praise ;)
Now back to work shaggy one or no dinner for you :P
***t just remembered that the M'ke quill is silver, not black (gotta change that). But come on, the quill is pretty cool isnt! :D
Indeed. Good job Grum.
Keep em coming everyone. :D
The only thing I was wondering Grummore is this- Are all of the banners going to have the same boarder? I like it and all, but would they all be the same?
Keep up all the great work :D
Noooo... I love my beard! Besides, I think it perfectly exceptable for halflings to have beards.
Isn't it a life-shaped enhancement?
Someone should write up the mechanics for it...
Excellent work to both on the heraldry.
Here's the Crimson Legion's banner...
Isn't it a life-shaped enhancement?
Someone should write up the mechanics for it...
Excellent work to both on the heraldry.
Here's the Crimson Legion's banner...
Ahhh, we are in the presence for a true artist :P
I would have thought it would also contain something like a shattered chain or a sun rising over the Golden Tower.
Why do the blades point to the ground? Stel is proud and known for combats. Blades that point to the ground, imply subordination or surrender, blades pointing up, imply the will to fight. Just my humble opinion.
Otherwise, I have to say, that you both do a very good job, and I'm gonna replace my set as soon you have finished the others. :D
@Grummore:
Why do the blades point to the ground? Stel is proud and known for combats. Blades that point to the ground, imply subordination or surrender, blades pointing up, imply the will to fight. Just my humble opinion.
Not that I had an opinion on that before you asked, but I could say that we are proud, we are fierce, although we can peacefully do trades (scimitar down) BUT we dont let our guard down since we keep our scimitar out (the scimitar would represent been careful). Just a explanation. I dont know if I was clear.
The quill is good- but I think Sage's has a bit better detail. The Stel banner is very cool though- I like the scimitars.
Not to discredit sage one (which I think is good), but I would suppose that on banner there wouldnt be such detail (in our darksun setting).
The only thing I was wondering Grummore is this- Are all of the banners going to have the same boarder? I like it and all, but would they all be the same?
Well, they shouldnt be the same. But I was sort of lasy :D to change it. ALTHOUGH, I try to have different colors or filters.
Not that I had an opinion on that before you asked, but I could say that we are proud, we are fierce, although we can peacefully do trades (scimitar down) BUT we dont let our guard down since we keep our scimitar out (the scimitar would represent been careful). Just a explanation. I dont know if I was clear.
Well...I don't think that's their attitude, but I can rotate the pic to my utter satisfaction. :P
Roaar, baby. :P
Geez I'm on fire!!!
The "diamond" in the center of the heraldry of house Vordon is supposed to represent iron. I don't think a litteral picture of a diamond represents that. It is a very good image of a diamond, however, and I like the texture that you've added to the background
.Not to discredit sage one (which I think is good), but I would suppose that on banner there wouldnt be such detail (in our darksun setting).
Why not? Nothing that I've seen about the setting implies that the people of darksun are poor craftsmen or artisans. I would personally imagine that some merchant house's official banners would be even more ornate and elaborate then I've made them to display their wealth and the quality of their goods. Of course there would be simpler banners as well, for flying above less improtant caravans and such.
Raam in particular is known for the quality of its artwork, its one of their primary exports including elaborate persian style carpets. And since thats where House M'ke's main headquarters are I'd figure they could make some pretty elaborate designs for their banners if they wanted to.
Here is two new I made this weekend.
I like the quill you've used in this a lot :D , the feather is great! I think you could make a it better by not bluring it like that though.
Very Nice!
I like the quill you've used in this a lot :D , the feather is great! I think you could make a it better by not bluring it like that though.
Yeah, I used the sponge too much I think. At least, I should keep the border clean and the middle somewhat blurried (or spongied !).
I will see to that.
What will be your next Sage? For myself, I think I will try the Wavir Jozhal (it will be harder).
Yeah, I used the sponge too much I think. At least, I should keep the border clean and the middle somewhat blurried (or spongied !).
I will see to that.
What will be your next Sage? For myself, I think I will try the Wavir Jozhal (it will be harder).
:heehee , that's the one I was planning on doing next too. It will be a lot harder, I'm going to have to draw a stylized jozhal and scan it in for that one. I've manged to get away without actually drawing anything so far, but no longer!
I would be glad to host both sets of banners on my site. This is _good_.
Great work once again!
I would be glad to host both sets of banners on my site. This is _good_.
Jon jon jon jon... Dont you remember that I have a web site ? :P :D
But thank you for the comment!
I've manged to get away without actually drawing anything so far, but no longer!
:D Same thing for me hehehehe.
Here is the bad drawing! BUT I tried to do a rough sketch.
That's actually not half bad for a first attempt.
Ok, now, what could be next. Must find banner...
Thank you! I had hope not to get rock thrown at me! :D
Ok, now, what could be next. Must find banner...
I personally would like to see a banner for Tyr and Urik- my next adventure is taking place in both of thise city-states and it would be cool to have to show my players- IF you can do it!
*use of bold and caps to act as a prod to get artist-monkeys to do my bidding by questioning their artistic ability* :D
I personally would like to see a banner for Tyr and Urik- my next adventure is taking place in both of thise city-states and it would be cool to have to show my players- IF you can do it!
*use of bold and caps to act as a prod to get artist-monkeys to do my bidding by questioning their artistic ability* :D
Where can I find the text regarding their representation? What do they look like?
I personally would like to see a banner for Tyr and Urik- my next adventure is taking place in both of thise city-states and it would be cool to have to show my players- IF you can do it!
*use of bold and caps to act as a prod to get artist-monkeys to do my bidding by questioning their artistic ability* :D
If it's after Kalak's death, you can use the one I painstakingly created for the Crimson Legion. You might want it to be shredded at the edge and dyed (unevenly) with blood.
Where can I find the text regarding their representation? What do they look like?
I would think Urik would be something like a red and black flag with a stylized sulfer-yellow lion on it like from English heraldry.
Tyr is something different- I do not recall any discriptions of their flag- there my be one on the cover of City-State of Tyr. I would sugest that you just just your imagination if you cannot find anythig- they have had several changes in government in the last 10+ years and with them becoming a full democracy after the PP books it could be anything.
VA says its the profile of Kalak on a black background. I also recall, not sur though, that it can also be a grey piece of iron on a black background.
You could draw Kalak's profile using the pics from Freedom.
That's one bored lion!
:D
Its awesome dude! And by VA we know the emblems for the city are multitude, so anything goes.
I would change, since you ask: The halberd for an athasian polearm, one of the respectable ones (i.e. not a gladiatorial one, like the trikal for example). All you'd need is to erase the blade head and replace it with the appropriate hand-drawned blade head.
The Tyrian flag is described at the beginning of the VA entry for Tyr in Veiled Alliance, and also somewhere in City-State of Tyr.
VA says its the profile of Kalak on a black background. I also recall, not sur though, that it can also be a grey piece of iron on a black background.
You could draw Kalak's profile using the pics from Freedom.
In the City-State of Tyr, it says that the former flag of Tyr is a yellow star on a purple background, but that since the overthrow of Kalak the banner has been destroyed and none has risen to replace it.
No Grummore, go back to your bored lion banner. :D
Great work, btw.
Here is the good one, tell me what you think. What would you change or keep?
Ummmm, like holy
that's awesome!Great job Grummore! Don't change a thing! :D
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In the City-State of Tyr, it says that the former flag of Tyr is a yellow star on a purple background, but that since the overthrow of Kalak the banner has been destroyed and none has risen to replace it.
Would still be nice to see though for those of us who would like the whole collection, or who run campaigns in the Pre-FY days. Great work here guys!!!
Would still be nice to see though for those of us who would like the whole collection, or who run campaigns in the Pre-FY days.
Agreed.
Question- what exactly is it that the lion is standing upon? It looks to be a crown over the globe of Athas I think.
Very cool banner- I had been thinking of having the lion holding a globe (Humanu is the King of the World after all) but I don't think it would come out right.
Question- what exactly is it that the lion is standing upon? It looks to be a crown over the globe of Athas I think.
Well it look like it. I wanted to keep it misty.
The communist state of Tyr! :heehee
The communist state of Tyr! :heehee
You Ivan!!! Btw, if somebody can find me a nice star stylized star, I will be happy to use it instead of this one
Sorcerer king Ho-chi minh.
MUCH better! At least that's how I pictured it....
Could I post all these banners on my site, p-p-p-p-please?
I will soon link these to my art section. You will be able to download them there. BUT if you dont mind, I would like to keep my privilege.
We're waiting for your next one!
[...]have texture (that look like clothes tissus) in the banners.
Don't you mean, cloth tissues.
:PDon't you mean, cloth tissues.
THATS funny :D
URIK: Here is the good one, tell me what you think. What would you change or keep?
Impressive. Most impressive. Inspired by the Norwegian national coat of arms by any chance, are we?
Norway Coat of Arms
Impressive. Most impressive. Inspired by the Norwegian national coat of arms by any chance, are we?
Norway Coat of Arms
Could have been, but that's not with that sign with which I manipulated photoshop.
Could have been, but that's not with that sign with which I manipulated photoshop.
There are other versions that look more similar to yours.
I was reading PP book 3 (Amber Enchantress) and I think it said in there that the new symbol of Tyr (or at least Tithian the new king) was a obsidian partisan- a type of polearm.
the new symbol of Tyr (or at least Tithian the new king) was a obsidian partisan- a type of polearm.
...which also is the weapon by which the city guard is recognized by the population.
Would Sage need some challenge from me to start doing some? ;)
I would like to put them up on my wall with the maps Brian has done.
I know there are new figures around here. I wanted to have comments on Sage heraldry and mine.
I would like you, if you can, find me some description of others heraldry around city states (or else). I might try to do one or two more.
Btw, if it's the first time you see these heraldry... SHAME ON YOU. You should have seen these on my web site which own the HUGIEST darksun links page of all. Yeah. That's it. :D
I suggested a Tyrian design a while ago but never heard anything about it- so if you would Grummore I would like to see that one.
I've got a larger version I'll be posting on my multiply site for any who are interested. :D
You can use the other one above if you ever need to run an evil House Wavir in a parallel universe episode....
I should probably simplfy this one more....
House Stel
Here's the website and I would use most of the House banners, the city-state banners I plan to do myself. Thanks.
http://www.darksunkings.com
-D
Oh my gawd, I was browsing through this thread, and that made me laugh so hard :D Pure genious Grummore :D
Just so new peoples in the 4e have a look at the darksun Heraldry STS and myself did age ago!
To see them you can read the thread (which is very interesting to read). Or go there :
www.siltskimmer.org/ in the art section.
ruhlthansage.multiply.com/photos/album/1...
If you skim through the thread, you will find the Urik heraldry (a good one and a funny one)!
Have fun.