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#1larsensanOct 23, 2005 6:25:12 | I'm looking for information and illustrations about all of Greyhawk gods, even in old Dragon Magazines. All that I could found were PHB, Deities and Demigods and Complete Divine. |
#2AmarilOct 23, 2005 8:48:59 | The Living Greyhawk Gazetteer has the listing of the deities with descriptions and domains. |
#3GreysonOct 23, 2005 10:43:49 | The Living Greyhawk campaign has a 210-page document that lists all of the deities used in its campaign. It does not have images, but it does detail them all. http://www.wizards.com/rpga/downloads/LG_Deities.zip Happy gaming. |
#4thanaelOct 23, 2005 13:32:23 | ...and the expanded version: http://www.theocracyofthepale.com/downloads/lg_deities.pdf |
#5kwint_pendickOct 23, 2005 15:14:26 | Symbols and pics of the "core" D&D/Greyhawk gods from the core book "Deities & Demigods" can be found in WotC's Art Gallery: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ag/20020628a1 Kwint |
#6max_writerOct 24, 2005 15:14:20 | Dragon #263 (Sept. 99), 264 (Oct. 99), and 265 (Nov. 99): The Oeridian Lesser Gods parts I, II, III. There are pics of Atroa, Delleb, Kurel, Raxivort, Sotillon, Telchur, and Rudd. There are also pics and articles on the gods in the 40s, 50s, or 60s of Dragon. If you have them on CD, those shouldn't be too hard to find. |
#7zombiegleemaxOct 24, 2005 15:22:48 | I'm looking for information and illustrations about all of Greyhawk gods, even in old Dragon Magazines. All that I could found were PHB, Deities and Demigods and Complete Divine. Here are the quintessential Dragon articles: Gygax: 64: Raxivort 67: Heironeous, Hextor, Iuz, and Saint Cuthbert 68: Celestian, Fharlanghn, Ehlonna, Pholtus, and Tritherion 69: Istus and Obad-Hai 70: Boccob, Zagyg, and Olidammara 71: Erythnul, Incabulos, Nerull, Ralishaz, and Wastri 71: Heward, Keoghtom, Murlynd, and Kelanen (Quasi-deities) Lakofka: 86: Lendor and Norebo 87: Kord and Phaulkon 88: Syrul, Fortubo, and Wee Jas 89: Pyremius, Beltar, and Llerg 90: Phyton, Xerbo, and Osprem 92: Lydia, Bralm, and Jascar --Ghul |
#8max_writerOct 24, 2005 15:25:19 | I think all of those have illustrations of all the gods they talk about except the Raxivort one. |
#9zombiegleemaxOct 24, 2005 15:38:30 | I think all of those have illustrations of all the gods they talk about except the Raxivort one. Yeah, and they are classic illustrations and write-ups. IMO, these are the best descriptions of those deities. --Ghul |
#10ripvanwormerOct 24, 2005 15:56:03 | Although they were criticized by some, I loved the articles in Dragon 263-265 by Andy Miller, which were beautifully illustrated by Rebecca Guay. 263: Atroa, Delleb, and Kurell 264: Raxivort, Sotillon 265: Telchur, Rudd |
#11kwint_pendickOct 24, 2005 16:41:22 | And of course there are these short write-ups of the GH gods on Mortelan's hilarious WoG web-comic site: http://www.greyhawkonline.com/wogcomic/cast/deity1.htm Kwint |
#12mortellanOct 25, 2005 0:28:56 | And of course there are these short write-ups of the GH gods on Mortelan's hilarious WoG web-comic site: And my humble apologies to all the aforementioned artists whose wonderful Deity illustrations have inspired my comic. |
#13thanaelOct 25, 2005 4:51:27 | Ahh you're seeking any info! Here ya go: Dragon magzine: 67: Heironeous, Hextor, Iuz, and Saint Cuthbert 68: Celestion, Fharlanghn, Ehlonna, Pholtus, and Tritherion 69: Istus, Time Elementals and Obad-Hai 70: Boccob, Zagyg and Olidammara 71: Heward, Keoghtom, Murlynd and Kelanen are described, along with general notes on quasi- and hero- deities 71: Erythnul, Incabulos, Nerull, Ralishaz and Wastri 86: Lendor and Norebo 87: Kord and Phaulkon 88: Syrul, Fortubo and Wee Jas 89: Pyremius, Beltar and Llerg 90: Phyton, Xerbo and Osprem 92: Examples of special sects of the priests and druids of Ehlonna 92: Lydia, Bralm and Jascar also: Dragon #85, p.12 Special skills, special thrills, by Roger E. Moore Notes on special powers for clerics, including those of the Greyhawk and nonhuman gods Dragon #155, p.26 In the Frost and the Snow, by David S. Reimer An article about the snow elves of the Crystalmist mountains (Includes iirc a new elven god of the snow elves. The article is avialable online here: http://216.10.17.109/codex/greyhawk/monsters/snowelves.htm) Dragon #176, p.10 Servants of the Seldarine, by Chris Perry Specialty priests of the elven gods, with notes on their use in the Greyhawk campaign world Dragon #191, p.22 The Elven Pantheon -Completed!, by Carl Sargent The missing Rillifane from Monster Mythology, revered by Oerth's wood elves and voadkyn Dragon #236, p.12 The Seldarine Revisited, by Chris Perry More on the gods of the elves, with some Greyhawk-specific notes Dragon #263, p.44 The Oeridian Lesser Gods, by Andy Miller Atroa, Delleb, and Kurell are detailed Dragon #264, p.46 The Oeridian Lesser Gods (II), by Ander Miller Raxivort (an Oeridian?) and Sotillon revealed Dragon #265, p.56 The Oeridian Lesser Gods (III), by Andy Miller Telchur and Rudd make up the final installment in the series Dragon #294 (3E) Beings of Power: Four Gods of Greyhawk, by David Noonan Deities and Demigods-type writeup of Iuz, Pholtus, Rao, and Tharizdun Polyhedron had some nice 1E/2E articles on GH gods: 128: Boccob 129: St Cuthbert 130: Procan 132: Kurell 139: Xan Yae 140: Cyndor (some of these can be found online here: http://hometown.aol.com/dmwog/powers.html) Other (1E/2E) sources: Slavers (Murlynd and one or two others) The Scarlet Brotherhood (Suel pantheon) Greyhawk Adventures HC World of Greyhawk Boxed Set From the Ashes (the gods chapter from FtA is available online http://www.wizards.com/dnd/Greyhawk/FtAPowers.rtf Syrul: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/Greyhawk/syrul.rtf On the Canonfire forums one member has done alternative 2E writeups for manyspecialty priest: http://www.canonfire.com/cfhtml/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewforum&f=29 And there's also Dicefreaks which has alternate 3E stats and some fluff on many GH gods: http://dicefreaks.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=19561䱩 |
#14max_writerOct 25, 2005 7:07:24 | Although they were criticized by some, I loved the articles in Dragon 263-265 by Andy Miller, which were beautifully illustrated by Rebecca Guay. Thanks. |
#15zombiegleemaxOct 28, 2005 17:37:54 | There's an expanded write-up of Boccob in the next DRAGON, iirc. Oggie |
#16mortellanOct 28, 2005 18:39:30 | There's an expanded write-up of Boccob in the next DRAGON, iirc. Yup, and I'm waiting with my breath held to see if the author of said article is going to actually expand upon Boccob in a proper Greyhawk manner or if he will just be treated like a generic Core deity. The Demonomican articles have all been successful so I have hope but this new run on 'Core Beliefs' will undoubtedly hinge on Boccob. |
#17zombiegleemaxOct 28, 2005 20:18:38 | When you have so many dieties, so many pantheons (Suel, Olman, Elven, etc.) how do you let your characters deal with this? In my campaign, I allow the players to worship (or pay tribute to) more than one. A halfing rogue in the party, for instance, calls on Avoreen in battle, Norebo in sticky situations and Brandobaris when sneaking. She offers sacrifices and donations piously, and even gives tribute to Yondalla, the Mother Goddess of the hobniz . The priests in my campaign must stick to one gawd, of course. But even this has had an exception! For a long time a faithful cleric of Al Akbar adventured with the group, and gave his life to save the rest. As a result, he was taken to the "Right Hand of the High Cleric" and this inspired the other PC priest, a follower of Phaulkon. Now while this priest still follows the gawd of Archery and Air, he also follows the tenets of Al Akbar. I can see no reason these two Gawds would oppose this kind of cooperation... So, am I too lenient a DM? What is your view on the subject? |
#18MortepierreOct 29, 2005 4:52:03 | I would go for "whatever works for your campaign". In mine, I consider that no less than 4 individual pantheons just for the Flanaess worked fine as long as they had the undivided attention of worshippers of "their" ethnic group. Now that those same groups have become mixed and, thus, started to worship gods from other groups, some deities must be getting angry because they are losing believers to the "competition". See, I still go for the view that a deity's power is measured by the number of his/her worshippers. Lose them all and you become a floating piece of junk on the astral plane. That sure adds an incentive to clerics trying to convert others! In the post-war Flanaess, deities who used to enjoy a good level of worship but don't anymore are taking a more active stance, trying to either win back worshippers of the proper ethnic group OR converting people belonging to the others. In turn, this has raised ugly racial issues, especially in areas which are currently a mess (such as the former Hold of the Sea Princes). IMC, the next big war will be fought over religion, not land. |
#19zombiegleemaxOct 29, 2005 6:28:55 | Thanks Mortepierre! It also just occured to me that I can find NO info on any Rhenee gawds....I can't believe they're all atheist. Nor can I buy that they left their gawds behind 100%. Nobody drops their lifelong religion THAT fast! Is there any canon on Rhenee religion? I have 2 Rhenee in my party at the moment... Thanks! |
#20MortepierreOct 29, 2005 8:09:09 | It's not that hard to imagine. All ethnic groups do not "need" to have their own pantheon. IIRC, the Rhenee are exiles.. perhaps not even from Oerth... Still, I see no reason to deny them access to divine powers. They wouldn't be very religious, trusting more in luck and fate than anything but, in turn, that would make them prime worshippers of deities such as Istus and Ralishaz. Of course, they wouldn't worship them "openly". Or, you could go a different way, as I've done. I've come to treat Rhenee as part of the same ethnic group that gave the RL's Vistani and the SJ's space gypsies. At one time, I had even made them part of a planar plot. They had all been worshippers of the nascent deity Stillsong, the reason behind their exile from their original homeworld. Their mysterious activities on various worlds all aimed at speeding his ascension to full godhood. Along the way, some inevitably lost sight of their lofty goal and started using their powers for personal gain. Since the ultimate destiny of Stillsong is considered a total mystery, even among the majority of the gods, it was easy to explain why the Rhenee would be reluctant to share info with "non-believers". Oh, and it's "gods", not "gawds". This isn't a Hackmaster forum after all... |
#21ripvanwormerOct 29, 2005 17:07:08 | I think it's canonical that some of the bad Rhennee worship Vecna. Other than that, they'll probably give homage to whatever gods they need to - Kurell, Olidammara, Pholtus (so they don't get run out of the Pale), etc. This site has a wonderful article on fantasy gypsies which I've partly based my Rhennee around.The Roma cannot be said to have a "religion" of their own. They have usually adopted the faiths of the countries in which they live. Among the Roma can be found worshippers of human gods, elven gods, halfling gods, and even Târiq's Ilâh. Many prefer to carry out religious rituals in their own homes or in the context of folk observances. After the purification by water, the infant formally becomes a human being and can then be called by a name. This name, however, is only one of three that the child will carry through his or her life. The first name given remains forever a secret. Tradition has it that this name is whispered bythe mother, the only one who knows it at the time of birth, and it is never used. The purpose of this secret name is to confuse the supernatural spirits by keeping the real identity of the child from them. The second name is a Roma name, the one used among the Roma themselves. It is conferred informally and used only among Roma. The third name is given at a second baptism that takes place according to the dominant religion of the country in which the child is born. It has little importance for the Roma and it is only a practical necessity, to be used for dealing with non-Roma. |
#22ripvanwormerOct 29, 2005 17:25:44 | When you have so many dieties, so many pantheons (Suel, Olman, Elven, etc.) how do you let your characters deal with this? In my campaign, I allow the players to worship (or pay tribute to) more than one. There's nothing wrong with that. Even a cleric could worship a group of gods. The Living Yeomanry site includes the Church of Seven Faiths - a church that reveres Allitur, Joramy, Kord, Phaulkon, Norebo, Fortubo, and Delleb all at once. I can easily see other multi-god churches. For example: The Church of Ferrond: Rao, Pelor, St. Cuthbert, St. Benedor, St. Ferrante, Barachiel, Domiel, Erathaol, Pistis Sophia, Raziel, Sealtiel, Zaphkiel. The Church of the Blinding Light: Pholtus, St. Ceril the Relentless, Luna (Ehlonna), Celene (Sehanine Moonbow), Sol (Pelor) Gods of Wrath: Kurell, Joramy, Ralishaz, Trithereon Church of the Elements: Kossuth, Istishia, Grumbar, Akadi Temple of Elemental Evil: Elder Elemental God, Cryonax, Imix, Ogremoch, Olhydra, Yan-C-Bin Temple of Elemental Good: Stillsong, Ben-Hadar, Chan, Sunnis, Zaaman Rul The Seldarine: Corellon Larethian, Aerdrie Faenya, Ehlonna, Erevan Ilesere, Fenmarel Mestarine, Gadhelyn, Hanali Celanil, Labelas Enoreth, Rillifane Rallathil, Sehanine Moonbow, Shevarash, Solonor Thelandira, Tethrin Veralde, and Ye'Cind The Old Faith: Beory, Obad-hai, Pelor, Nerull The Shining Warriors: Pelor, Mayaheine, Koriel, St. Benedor, St. Bane |
#23cragOct 29, 2005 18:00:12 | Gh isn't a monothesitic culture, several gods can be revered without causing problems even so-called evil gods are petitioned by common people to hopefully avert disease or provide a peaceful death. Even priests although they are the advocate of a particular deity, however if the difficulty is outside their patron's interest, they can and generally do encourage the faithful to seek out other priests as needed provided the god in question isn't opposed by his own priesthood. In GH cosmologically, the question isn't which one to worship but which ones are compatible with my beliefs. Just a thought... |
#24ripvanwormerOct 29, 2005 18:18:11 | I notice that the Oerth Journal #16 does this a lot. Cathedral of Farlockend: Zilchus, Pelor, Beory, Nerull, Hextor, Atroa, Pholtus, Velnius, Celestian, Ehlonna, Fharlanghn, Obad‐Hai, Telchur, Heironeous, Erythnul, and Geshtai. Cathedral of Kasudremes: Hextor, Nerull, Asmodeus, Incabulos Monastery of Alir: Zilchus, Atroa, Allitur Ovakhab Abbey: Pholtus Cathedral of Zilchus: Zilchus Abbey of Vargas: Pholtus and Pelor |
#25mortellanOct 30, 2005 1:09:15 | I like this thematic grouping of gods under one temple. And here I was recently poking fun at the Temple of Elemental Good in my comic, and you made it sound feasible! |
#26zombiegleemaxNov 01, 2005 10:44:04 | The LGG suggests that the Oeridian agricultural gods (Wenta, Sotillon, Telchur, Atroa and Velnius) are worshipped collectively. We formalised this in LG Onnwal and elsewhere in southern Aerdy by giving them the collective title of the Velaeri. In Onnwal, the individual gods rarely have temples of their own, but all five have shrines in one structure - the four gods of the wind s/seasons at cardinal points (often open structures with a central post from which prayer flags and wind chimes are hung, surrounding a central sanctuary to Velnius consisting of an open air reflecting pool). I think I added a simialr structure to Kalstrand in my OJ 17 article there - so the struture might be more widespread in Aerdy...? P. |
#27simpiNov 01, 2005 11:13:05 | We formalised this in LG Onnwal and elsewhere in southern Aerdy by giving them the collective title of the Velaeri. And we in Naerie shamelessly stole this concept S.H, the guy from Naerie (get our regional gazetteer here http://www.thesplinteredsun.info/naerie/download.html) |