Granted, we have The stuff from Polyhedron by Andy Collins, but what's really needed here is something like a single file that has everything from 2e converted to 3e, and that file then needs to be made available for download @ beyond the moons. I like all the old stuff from 2e like SR and hull points, and in order to retain the flavor of the setting we ought to find a way to retain that stuff. Any thoughts? Has this been done before? And for crying out loud why are there only like 3 people using this board?
'Tis the "Beyond the Moons" website for the SPELLJAMMER setting.
So, yeah, we still need a single, well-organized, easily accessible update to the spelljammer system.
Now does anybody have anything constructive to say?(and i don't mean to bash Beyond the moons, it's just simply now what i am looking for)
And I've never really had any problem downloading something I'd like to use in my home campaigns. Why is it so difficult for you? What is happening?
As for the 3.5e updates for SJ... Beyond the Moons offers the most "accurate" translations currently online... crafted from the hearts of long-time fans. There's likely many other fan-based websites where the classic setting has been updated to 3e. I suggest you try a goggle ;).
My guess is that he wants a single PDF, a "book", with everything in it. I've talked to Static about it a few times; appearantly, he gets quite a few requests for both, really, with the 'everything on separate pages' crowd holding the majority.
PDFs would be nice... but I'm just as happy with the way spelljammer.org is set up now.
The 'everything on separate pages' has its advantages though -- the main being that it's easier to reference particular entries.
1) If you haven't noticed spelljammer has one of the smallest followings of any of the old school settings, that's because
a) the original material is hard to find
b) new players(like me) who use 3.5 find it nearly impossible to get a good fix on how it
works in3.5
c) People who have been playing forever don't need certain things explained to them,
newer folk do, thus our confusion
2)Spelljammer.org is great don't get me wrong, but it gets obnoxious becuase while almost everything you need to play spelljammer in 3.5 is there. It isn't in a cohesive, easily accessible format. It's just a jumble of ideas with nothing cited as canon
So yeah, what i'm getting at is if anybody ever wants to see a resurrection of spelljammer, somebody needs to go through ALL of the 2.0 material, update to 3.5 and then make it readily available for Everyone. That way, all you would have to do to start playing 3.5 spelljammer is download the file, read it, and go. Easy as cake!
WotC won't ever do anything with spelljammer again unless we can make a showing that we really do care about the setting, and besides if someboy does most of WotC's work for them maybe they'll be more inclined to release an 'official' book and bring back everybodies favorite starfaring swashbuckling system.
Easy as cake!
I REALLY Hesitate at a "Easy as cake" comment...its a LOT of work to convert SJ => 3.x e. And as you pointed out, SJ has such a small fan-base to start from, its very hard to find dedicated workers. And what's worse is that since we have so few fans, we're REALLY subsceptible to losing people due to lives being disrupted. A lot of people have done good work converting monsters and such, but I think getting a "single book" together is a lot farther away than the near future, because there's a lot of gaps to be filled in.
I REALLY Hesitate at a "Easy as cake" comment...its a LOT of work to convert SJ => 3.x e. And as you pointed out, SJ has such a small fan-base to start from, its very hard to find dedicated workers. And what's worse is that since we have so few fans, we're REALLY subsceptible to losing people due to lives being disrupted. A lot of people have done good work converting monsters and such, but I think getting a "single book" together is a lot farther away than the near future, because there's a lot of gaps to be filled in.
Agreed and agreed.
I've done the same sort of thing for Dragonlance prior to when Sovereign Press got the license, and it is a LOT of work. It is not an easy undertaking.
I would like to see a PDF too. That would be great. I've advocated to have it done for a while now.
That being said, I know the Spelljammer community well enough to know that there aren't a lot of people interested in the conversion. Many prefer the 2e system. Many are busy. And so on and so forth.
Sometimes, if you want something done, you have to do it yourself. I know, that's not what you want to hear, but it's a hard truth at times. In order to do this project, you need a group of dedicated people, good leadership, a good sense of teamwork, and so on and so forth.
I've paid my dues on this type of project. Again, I won't kid you - it isn't easy. But, if you can get the basics down, it'll be a great resource.
Best of luck!
Any thoughts?
Make it up as you go along.
Has this been done before?
[broken record]Using the imagination? Sure. But it happens less and less these days.[/broken record]
And for crying out loud why are there only like 3 people using this board?
Well you have to know the secret handshake. You DO know the secret handshake, right?
Okay, I hear you and I feel your pain. I, too, would like to see some d20 publisher do it up RIGHT in a single go. Some days I think that somebody ought to be me since nobody else has stepped up to the plate in the last... 8, 10 years? But it seems too much like work.
Your choices are to wait, possibly forever, for someone to give you what you want, or to simply gather what you like from whatever sources you have available and then make the rest up yourself.
Okay, I hear you and I feel your pain. I, too, would like to see some d20 publisher do it up RIGHT in a single go. Some days I think that somebody ought to be me since nobody else has stepped up to the plate in the last... 8, 10 years? But it seems too much like work.
Heh, more like 5 years, really. And right now the likelihood of any d20 publisher picking up SJ other than WotC or Paizo are nil, due in part to the terrible licensing agreements and due in part to the less-than-healthy state of the (non-WotC) d20 market. Unless, of course, I won the lottery, then all bets are off ;) But overall, its a lot of work, and its slow going. Basically, just got to have a clear picture of what you want, make an outline to keep track of everything, and then just plug away until its done.
Heh, more like 5 years, really. And right now the likelihood of any d20 publisher picking up SJ other than WotC or Paizo are nil, due in part to the terrible licensing agreements and due in part to the less-than-healthy state of the (non-WotC) d20 market.
I would also add that Spelljammer is a niche setting, and isn't prone to great sales figures. It wouldn't be profitable to license it.
I would also add that Spelljammer is a niche setting, and isn't prone to great sales figures. It wouldn't be profitable to license it.
[dreaming on]All it would need is a good movie to steer a sizable chunk of the fantasy-fanbase our way. ...something like Disney´s Treasure Planet - only with the success of a Harry Potter or LotR! Then, during the final credits of the movie, a large SPELLJAMMER-logo and a nice spot announcement... [dreaming off]
[dreaming on]All it would need is a good movie to steer a sizable chunk of the fantasy-fanbase our way. ...something like Disney´s Treasure Planet - only with the success of a Harry Potter or LotR! Then, during the final credits of the movie, a large SPELLJAMMER-logo and a nice spot announcement... [dreaming off]
Lol...any of the D&D worlds could use that, actually, and would have a better chance at it, because a lot of them are far closer to basic themes that run deep in the human pyche. And really, Harry Potter/LotR were hugely popular LONG before they became movies.
But as they say, baby steps. You're trying to fly right into hyperspace, and we don't even know how to walk yet! ;)
1) Spelljammer Book = lots of work
2) Most people are still using 2.0
3) It simply would not be profitable to do a Spelljammer book
So, I'm thinking i'll just take it upon myself to try and do this. I can't, however, do it alone.
There are several reasons for this, the most prominent being that i wasn't playing D&D back in spelljammer's heyday and the other being that i don't have all the supplements. Sooo...
Any help will be appreciated. I'm going to start posting everything i do on these boards(who knows maybe WotC will notice and help us out a little ;) ). To begin with i need a complete list of all the spelljammer products made for 2.0, i think i saw one on Beyond the Moons. However, i'll need some help because it sounds like there is some conflict about sources concerning several of the ships(particularly the Armada). Also, if somebody could scrounge up a history of some sort that'd help too.
So yeah, i dunno what it will take to light a fire under you people but C'MON if we don't do tis spelljammer WILL die, and that is a sad thought
Don't convert all of 2e Spelljammer into one book. That's a bit much, and that's why we have conversion notes. ;)
What I would recommend would be to create an outline and model the PDF off of the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting, and other similar books. That will allow you to get the basics down. From there, you could do a monster book down the road and conversion notes for the other 2e products.
A lot of work is already done, so look at what's out there and then get permission to use it in your document. No need to double the work.
I wish you the best of luck with this!
It is perfect for nerds like me who need to satisfy their cravings for Role Playing, fantasy and Sci Fi all at once so they have more time for after school activities
Actually Dragonhelm, that occurred to me too. I'm currently working on an outline for a CS book, something similar to the Eberron and Forgotten Realms books.
Have you checked out http://spelljammer.org/sj3e/ ? It's got links to *all* the offical material on Beyond the Moons, in one easy to digest format. (And with a sexy SJ3e logo too ;) ) Plus, it's already in an outline, so all you need to do is submit stuff that fits in.
As you say, "Easy as cake."
p.s. How long did it take you to read *everything* on the site?
However i'm only really good in drawing female, so ships and monster would take alot of practice.
This is the index of the proposed netbook, took from "Beyond the Moons"
Details on the Giff, Grommam, Hadozee and vodoni (breeder and enforcer) are located in Andy Collin's website.
"classical spelljammer races"
Details from some new skills, new uses of old skills and some other feats are located here
spelljammer proficiencies in 3.XX
details on zero g and other situations can be taken from the d20 Future SRD
Future Environments SRD