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| #1vedicdragonOct 28, 2005 14:31:02 | *spoiler warning for those who have not read the War of Souls trilogy* Knights of Takhisis on the Planes Where do they go from here? I have a lawfull-evil campaign that literally transposed several Talons of the Knights of Takhisis into the Planes. This is pre-Knights of Neraka levels of Corruption, from the era where Miriel Abrena was the devout head of the Order. These anti-"heroic" protagonists made their way to Faerun upon hearing of Tiamat's foothold there, and assuming that she is a rogue Avatar of their goddess that they need to bring "Back to the Fold". Now I read the latest Weis / Hickman trilogy a while ago, while I considered this campaign "closed". I have since had cause to reopen it as the group I was running it for has re-formed. How do I solve this Logical inconsistency? One of the characters qualifies for the "Righteous Zealot" PrC, for Takhisis. He was a real Fruit-Loop . . . his bodycount is disgusting. So, to the Point, Dragonlance fans . . . how do I resolve this conflict? I am a fervent enthusiast of metaplot and I hate DMO and stepping outside the bounds, if I can help it. Is there a way to solve this logical dilemma save for making a homegrown "In my campaign . . . . "? I mean, they were some great characters and I really want to see their reactions play out when they realize that "back on Krynn" (now that it's been found) their goddess is -dead-. Any suggestions/similar issues in your campaigns/precedent? |
| #2zombiegleemaxOct 28, 2005 17:05:30 | Officially, Krynn is now entirely separate from Faerun and D&D campaign worlds. |
| #3jonesyOct 29, 2005 0:42:53 | Well, how did the Tiamat thingy work out? Could they become her followers in turn?How do I solve this Logical inconsistency? What logical inconsistency? Their god is dead. Have them deal with it. That's a great roleplaying opportunity right there. On that note, shouldn't they already be aware of something amiss with their goddess? |
| #4GranakrsOct 29, 2005 1:45:01 | Well, think about this. They have assumed that Tiamat is a rogue avatar of Takhisis. Is tiamat still around? if so, then the basic assumption has been proved logically as a flawed assumption. So, Tiamat is not a rogue avatar of Takhisis. Simply define what Tiamat is. She might be a shard of the God Takhisis but is now independent. Perhaps your characters can go through the transition of become Tiamat's Knighthood rather than Takhisis's Knighthood. I bet this might make FR or GH shake in their boots. Now the Evil goddess of dragons have dragons and humans working together and really start bringing the smackdown on Bahmut and his dragons. Weldon |
| #5jrblasingameOct 31, 2005 21:25:00 | Well, think about this. They have assumed that Tiamat is a rogue avatar of Takhisis. Is tiamat still around? if so, then the basic assumption has been proved logically as a flawed assumption. I have a Solomnic Knight who got transposed to Toril. He started up a Knighthood in Waterdeep based on the principles espoused in the Code and the Measure. Is kind of nice to play him every now and then. |
| #6wolf72Nov 01, 2005 18:12:34 | so how long ago was high school? ... 33 now ... gawd, 16 or 17 years ago!!! ... anyway I had a WoHS (Q Elf, white robe ... 1st ed) who had been sent to greyhawk and then the realms to gather information (hey, we needed a reason to transport him places) they may be cut off officially, but don't that get in the way ... there has to be some sort of connection (Riftworld saga iirc had a special hallway where they could visit different planes) |
| #7vedicdragonNov 08, 2005 10:31:53 | Thank you for the responses. Let me see if I can clarify my question a little better. Well, think about this. They have assumed that Tiamat is a rogue avatar of Takhisis. Is tiamat still around? if so, then the basic assumption has been proved logically as a flawed assumption. That was the basic Idea. I am perfectly willing to encompass this under the aegis of it being "my" campaign. However, was kind of looking for tsr/wotc's official policy regarding Takhisis/Tiamat's and Paladine/Bahamut's similarities and the connections, if any. Officially, Krynn is now entirely separate from Faerun and D&D campaign worlds. Not only is that an awfull stance on Wizards' part, given the plethora of Lore and connections (Wizards Three Articles from Dragon, anyone?), it only makes my headache in resolving this worse, not better. I appreciate the tip, but does WotC have anything better to do than to make these things worse with even greater contradictions? Gahh!!!! What logical inconsistency? Their god is dead. Have them deal with it. That's a great roleplaying opportunity right there. Oh, to be sure, a great RP opportunity. IF they found out. The way I see it, if they arrived on Faerun and hadn't had Divine Spellcasting access, I'ld be inclined to agree, they'ld know something's up. But given Tiamat's actions regarding House Karnak, and the fact that she's really slick with the "Portfolio and Followers-Snatch" tactic, I'ld assumed she'ld been supplying them spells this entire time. Hence, how would they know the difference? Is there a difference besides divine ranking between the two goddesses? (seriously!) And lastly, if they =ARE= distinct entities (to be sure there is -some- distinction, but I am not sure what) How would you describe/entail Tiamat's reactions. This is what I mean between inconsistency . . . is she a separate deity or isn't she? What is the diff? Would you define them as the same? Does WotC? Upon Takhisis' death, would you make Tiamat a Greater or Intermediate Deity in your own game, to reflect a transference of Divine Power? Clearly they are connected somehow . . . . |
| #8jonesyNov 08, 2005 11:25:00 | But given Tiamat's actions regarding House Karnak, and the fact that she's really slick with the "Portfolio and Followers-Snatch" tactic, I'ld assumed she'ld been supplying them spells this entire time. Hence, how would they know the difference? Why would their ignorance pose a problem to you? Or to Tiamat? If they can't tell the difference, then they've become Tiamats followers without even realizing it. If they return to Krynn they will unavoidably find out about the death of Takhisis, at which point it's their problem if they don't realize what is going on. ;) Upon Takhisis' death, would you make Tiamat a Greater or Intermediate Deity in your own game, to reflect a transference of Divine Power? Clearly they are connected somehow . . . . Mother and daughter? Twin sisters? The same entity torn in half with the other half destroyed? It's your choice. |
| #9vedicdragonNov 22, 2005 12:14:32 | Hey all, Just an Update to let you know how it went. We've had several play sessions and consulted my notes . . . here's the catalog of subsequent events . . . They (the Knights) infiltrated 4 of the factions, as the Harmonium love them, the thinkers amongst them joined the Guvners, the Enforcers/ Skull Knights joined the Mercykillers, and yet a large number of their commanders and philosophical leaders signed on with the Lawfull group of Doomguard. Since then, their plans were thrown temporarily into disarray from the Faction War, but they descended on Faerun, strengthened by the Church of Tiamat, and started merrily converting Cult of the Dragon Cells in similar fashion. They've even made inroads in trade and subversion with the Iron Throne . . . just in time to get more convertees and troops ready to flood the 'gates of Sigil when the Factions Return . . I think once they've realized their goddess died, it'd be a matter of time before the party converts to the worship of her "elder Sister", Tiamat. They'd still use the word "Takhisis" for their organization and their brand of worship. Tiamat, being a flexible entity who has answered to "Entropy" obliges them... |