However, I have run into some problems, mostly because there are some discrepancies between the fleet informations given in the gaz series and the ship counters in Gaz 4.
This is the information that the counters give us:
Navy of Karameikos:
4 small galleys, 2 large galleys, 3 small sailing ships, 1 large sailing ship, 1 war galley = 11 ships
Navy of Ylaruam:
3 small galleys, 5 small sailing ships = 8 ships
Navy of Ierendi:
2 fireships, 6 small galleys, 3 large galleys, 1 war galley, 2 longships, 4 small sailing ships, 2 large sailing ships = 20 ships (including 2 fireships which aren't officially part of the navy since they belong to the mages of Honor Island).
Navy of Vestland:
4 longships = 4 ships
Navy of Soderfjord:
9 longships = 9 ships
Navy of Ostland:
6 longships = 6 ships
Navy of the Five Shires:
2 small galleys, 3 small sailing ships = 5 ships
Navy of Minrothad Guilds:
2 small galleys, 12 small sailing ships, 6 large sailing ships = 20 ships
Navy of Darokin:
3 small galleys, 1 large galley, 4 small sailing ships, 2 large sailing ships = 10 ships
Navy of Thyatis:
15 small galleys, 7 large galleys, 1 war galley, 12 small sailing ships, 5 large sailing ships = 40 ships
When compared to the gaz series which say that:
1) "There are currently 8 ships of the line in the Navy, though more could be commissioned in times of war" (Gaz 1, page 26)
2) "The Royal Navy is under Admiral Jarren Kindle's command. He oversees activities of more than 36 ships. The Royal Navy includes 20 galleys and sail ships of various sizes, not including the twelve fireships on Honor Island. The rest of the navy is made up essentially of privateers". (Gaz 4, page 29)
3) Ostland has three brigades of 882 men each. Combines with the king's Personal Guard they number 3600. In addition Hord can call on 5-10,000 more men from his subjects. (Gaz 7, page 12-13)
4) Ragnar the Stout can muster three 900-man units from the clans. (Gaz 7, page 20)
5) "...the hin navy consists of 2 war galleys, 4 very old large galleys, 2 small galleys and 12 small sailing ships. Another dozen or so old, battered ships can be commandeered or hauled out of beached retirement in wartime...the navy as a whole is laughably small in both ship size and numbers." (Gaz 8, page 12-13).
6) "Darokin has only a small navy, since it does not have a large coastline or a great deal of territorial water to protect". (Gaz 11, page 18).
7) "The Minrothad Navy consists of 10 ships" (Gaz 9, page 25).
So, while the Ierendi navy counters come close to the reported fleet size (18 vs. 20 / 2 vs. 12 for fireships), the fleet of Karameikos consists of three ships fewer than the counters (8 vs. 11) and the Minrothad Navy is only half the size of the number of counters (10 vs. 20). Even worse is the "laughably small" navy of the Five Shires which is more than four times as big (22 vs. 5) which makes it more than twice the size of Karameikos' navy and even greater than Ierendi's Royal Navy!!!
If we figure that King Hord of Ostland can put just half his brigades and Personal Guard army in ships, and there can fit 60 sailors/marines into a longship in 0D&D, he would need (3600/2/60=) 30 longships - five times more than the counters give him. ;)
And what is up with Soderfjord, the nation where the jarls cannot agree on anything, having the largest fleet in the Northern Reaches?
Apart from that, there are some discrepancies between information in the gazetteers and the counters:
- the Agate is mentioned as the ship of the Merchant Prince Nosmo Beldan (gaz 9, page 55-56) but on the counters it is marked as the flag ship of the Minrothad Navy.
- the Radiant is called a small sailing ship (gaz 9, page 62) but the counter shows it as a large sailing ship.
And ships like the much-talked-about the Eagret (gaz 9) and the Bloodsail (gaz 8) are not even on the counters! (Possibly more ships, I haven't checked all the gazetteers that thoroughly).
Because it is hardly realistic that the Five Shires have two war galleys (according to gaz 8) and the Empire of Thyatis has only one (according to the counters), I guess we'll have to completely re-figure the numbers for the fleets in the Known World. Thyatis should definetly have more than 40 ships when we look at how wast a sea area their empire covers. But what is a realistic number?
The Turkish fleet at the battle of Lepanto in 1571 numbered 290 galleys and 120,000 men. When the Spanish Armada set sail for Great Britain in 1578 it consisted of 130 ships and 30,000 sailors and marines, set against the British navy of 102 vessels and 15,000 men.
But the nations of historical Europe are hardly comparable with the Known World, are they?
:-) Jesper
A small sailing ship or a small galley could carry 10 sailors and 25 marines
In 3E D&D, a Cog carries 20 sailors, a Dhow 25 sailors and a Pinnace just 15 sailors. A Trireme carries 100 people (70 of which are rowers).
A large sailing ship or a large galley could carry 20 sailors and 50 marines
In 3E D&D a Caravelle carries 30 sailors, a Junk 50 sailors, an Ironclad 120 sailors and a Greatship 500 sailors!
A 3E Dromond (medium-sized galley) carries 200 persons (100 of which are rowers).
A war galley could carry 30 sailors and 75 marines
A 3E Galley carries 300 persons (160 of which are rowers).
Clearly, if we convert all the old 0D&D large sailing ships to Greatships, the contingents of marines in the nations of the Known World are going to be rather different.
:-) Jesper
1. Use the army listings in Poor Wizards' Almanac to get a general sense of how much manpower each nation can call upon, what sort of troop quality exists and how many naval vessels are needed purely as troop transports. The Almanacs are the most recent source of information and also are far more self-consistent than 'fluff' navy listings scattered across the GAZ line.
2. Use the relative rankings of military power identified in the Almanacs as a guideline for writing 'appropriately' sized navies for each nation. The comparisons won't be entirely one-to-one (Minrothad's navy is much larger than its army, for instance; Darokin's is smaller and likely less well-trained) but work as a starting point. Use the GAZ information as a guideline in this but not a straitjacket, and the GAZ4 counters only as source material when there's absolutely nothing else available. (GAZ4's writing and style never did impress me, especially when compared with the rest of the line; I'm disinclined to think its level of research is any better. =/)
3. If desired, once the navy sizes have been chosen, stat up the results with Sea Machine. Discrepancies between ships and counters may end up being explained here, if desired - if Ostland needs thirty longships, frex, maybe they're organized into flotillas of five ships each for fleet movements. Then post the results so we can all enjoy.
Like I said, quite possibly a lot of work involved here. It'll be interesting to see what comes out!
Thayatis' sole War Gally is probably the only one owned by the Emperor. Every other (non land-locked) land holder in the Empire might have one, significantly improving the mustering strength that the Empire has.
To determine a ship’s Hull points first identify the number of hp a 10’x10’ ship section has. Multiply the hp by the number of 10’x10’ hull sections the ship has (including those under the waterline) to find the total hp of the vessel’s hull. Finally, divide the total hp by 45 to get the total Hull Points of the vessel.
For example, a galley (150’x30’x20’ with 5’ draft) has 80hp per section. Based on the galley’s size, it has 90 sections: {[(150+150+30+30) x 2.5]/10}. The total hp is 90 sections x 80 hp, equaling 7200 total hp. Dividing by 45 gives a result of 160 hull points.
As for Sea Machine itself, their are some BR bonuses based on speed per round that need to be updated to 3.5, but otherwise it should work in 3.5. There are some changes though to the regular War Machine rules, that also affect Sea Machine.
Once the monster conversions are done, I am going to revisit War/Sea/Siege Machine and will post everything to the boards. As for the OD&D ships, I think I'll convert them as separate ships later on to minimize the changes to the canon material to make it completely match 3.5E. I'm interested to see the direction you take this.
Don't forget that a "standing Navy" and what can really be mustered (impressed) during wartime are two drastically different things for a fuedal society.
I think this is a good point.
There's also the fact this is D&D. Considering all the monsters that swim or fly, and magic and natural sea hazards, and undersea kingdoms, sea travel is probably the most dangerous form of travel for humans and demi-humans.
Hoo boy, this is likely to be a lot of work. My breakdown of actual capabilities would be more or less as follows:
1. Use the army listings in Poor Wizards' Almanac to get a general sense of how much manpower each nation can call upon, what sort of troop quality exists and how many naval vessels are needed purely as troop transports. The Almanacs are the most recent source of information and also are far more self-consistent than 'fluff' navy listings scattered across the GAZ line.
2. Use the relative rankings of military power identified in the Almanacs as a guideline for writing 'appropriately' sized navies for each nation. The comparisons won't be entirely one-to-one (Minrothad's navy is much larger than its army, for instance; Darokin's is smaller and likely less well-trained) but work as a starting point. Use the GAZ information as a guideline in this but not a straitjacket, and the GAZ4 counters only as source material when there's absolutely nothing else available. (GAZ4's writing and style never did impress me, especially when compared with the rest of the line; I'm disinclined to think its level of research is any better. =/)
3. If desired, once the navy sizes have been chosen, stat up the results with Sea Machine. Discrepancies between ships and counters may end up being explained here, if desired - if Ostland needs thirty longships, frex, maybe they're organized into flotillas of five ships each for fleet movements. Then post the results so we can all enjoy.
Like I said, quite possibly a lot of work involved here. It'll be interesting to see what comes out!
Thanks for the comments and well-wishes guys :D
I think it will be a good idea to start out with looking at the "manpower" of each nation - maybe also the populated length of coastline - and then modify a bit for wealth, skill and local factors such as the terrible Minrothad weather.
About the comments about raising a larger fleet in wartime, I am going to ignore that for now, since all the army lists given in the gaz series are for standing forces only. 0D&D was built on a more or less feudal dominion system, so pretty much every nation in the Known World could claim some sort of "reserve armies" than are only mustered in times of war by local rulers etc. I assume the same is true of navies, but for now I am just going to see if I can calculate the sizes of the regular fleets.
:-) Jesper
Navy of Vestland:
4 longships = 4 ships
Navy of Soderfjord:
9 longships = 9 ships
Navy of Ostland:
6 longships = 6 ships
...
3) Ostland has three brigades of 882 men each. Combines with the king's Personal Guard they number 3600. In addition Hord can call on 5-10,000 more men from his subjects. (Gaz 7, page 12-13)
4) Ragnar the Stout can muster three 900-man units from the clans. (Gaz 7, page 20)
...
And what is up with Soderfjord, the nation where the jarls cannot agree on anything, having the largest fleet in the Northern Reaches?
Note that GAZ7 says explicitly "can muster" for Soderfjord (that's Ragnar, right?) and "has" for Ostland - so Ostland's is probably a standing army, which Soderfjord's is the theoretical maximum if Ragnar can get the jarls to send them (which is likely only in the fact of a direct attack).
So, while the Ierendi navy counters come close to the reported fleet size (18 vs. 20 / 2 vs. 12 for fireships), the fleet of Karameikos consists of three ships fewer than the counters (8 vs. 11) and the Minrothad Navy is only half the size of the number of counters (10 vs. 20). Even worse is the "laughably small" navy of the Five Shires which is more than four times as big (22 vs. 5) which makes it more than twice the size of Karameikos' navy and even greater than Ierendi's Royal Navy!!!
For Karameikos, one might assume that the three small sailing ships are not considered "ships of the line", but "frigates" or "sloops" (used for scouting, escort, and communication rather than for combat).
The Minrothad counters, as you noticed, include ships that should be privateers or merchant ships, so that may explain why there are more ships than in the Gazetteer.
Soderfjord, Vestland and Ostland have the worst problems -- their forces are heavily underestimated, especially Ostland, of course. Soderfjord, with its 9 longships, has a reasonable fleet, perhaps even too large. Ostland, OTOH, is definitely underestimated. It seems that the Ierendi Gaz author did not consider the fact that Ostland doesn't have much need for a land army, so most of its armed forces would be "combined army and navy".
However, one must consider that:
1) the listed crews may be extended, by using cargo space (in the RC at least, it is specified that passengers should be included in cargo). So your longship might accomodate maybe 20 more people as "passengers";
2) the OD&D ship list is quite "abstract" -- real ships will likely be quite different from those listed (or may be similar, but carry different names; e.g., a knarr may be quite similar to a Small Sailing Ship and a drakkar may be more like a large galley than a longship).
So, maybe Ostland has a complement of smaller crafts (much like the Karameikan small ships) and, in wartime, loads more men than the usual in its longships. The listed ships may be only the peacetime fleet that Hord keeps active at all times.
Because it is hardly realistic that the Five Shires have two war galleys (according to gaz 8)
Especially since that same Gaz clarifies that the Five Shires do not have a large fleet ;)
Thyatis should definetly have more than 40 ships when we look at how wast a sea area their empire covers. But what is a realistic number?
Probably the fleet listed for Thyatis is just their average fleet, and they have more than one.
There are several options. You might have a look at James Ruhlands' work on Thyatis. It is based on a quite high-powered version of Mystara (with sizable airfleets for both Alphatia and Thyatis and NPC levels on par with the 36th level-only Alphatian Grand Council) -- he goes to about 280 sailing ships and 180 galleys, not including reserves and local forces!
While it may look too much, consider that Thyatis is heavily sea based, has to fight Alphatia all the time, and that, according to Bruce Heard, the Heldannic Navy includes 41 ships, even though the HK are not heavy on sea fleets (most of their firepower being in the warbirds) and have a much smaller population base and history.
Moreover, while it's true that:
But the nations of historical Europe are hardly comparable with the Known World, are they?
it is also true that large fleets were in RW owned by comparatively small nations, such as Venice (in the Battle of Lepanto, e.g.) or Athens (180 ships at Salamis, similar numbers in other battles).
Large empires, such as the Achaemenids and the Romans, could field massive fleets (have a look on Wikipedia for more RW numbers).
Back to Mystara, what we need to consider is that:
1) Ierendi is the strongest naval power in the Sea of Dread;
2) However, this strength is mostly due to the large number of privateers, and to the Honor ironclads (definitely a considerable advantage);
3) The Thyatian fleet can't be smaller than the HK fleet; actually, it should be much larger;
4) According to CM1, 13000 Thyatian soldiers land in Norwold -- so Thyatis needs a transport fleet that can carry that many troops, and a battle fleet that can escort the transports. And this means some 150 Large Troop Transports, in OD&D terms (there are also 1000 horses);
5) No matter how much Thincol wants to take Norwold, he certainly can't leave the Thyatian Mainland and the other dominions devoid of protection, so the actual fleet would be twice or more the one that went to Norwold.
In the end, my assessment is that the:
1) The Thyatian fleet needs to be in the range of 200 to 400 ships, with an allowance to grow by 50% in wartime, by commandeering privateer and merchant ships, getting old/reserve ships in service, and gathering auxiliary forces from the dominions;
2) The Ierendi fleet can stay at twenty ships, but can grow to 50 or even more in wartime, due to privateer and merchant ships; there are also the twelve Honor ironclads, of course;
3) Ostland's fleet must be redesigned from scratches, with the ability to carry, at its maximum size, the whole standing army of Ostland, plus sailors and captains of the ships (60 ships of the line at least) -- of course, half of the ships or even more can be privately owned
4) All other fleets stay as they are, but are considered standing fleets; ability to increase these numbers depends on the individual nation (e.g., Darokin, which doesn't have a large merchant navy, may not be able to field more than ten ships on short notice, but could well produce a significant number of ships in a few months, due to its powerful economy);
5) The Alphatian fleet is really large, maybe in the 1000+ range, but it's low quality (mostly troop transports) and dispersed on a large area.
I think it looks very reasonable, although I might be tempted to also increase the fleet size of Minrothad. Or maybe just work out an estimate of their privateer fleet.
I enjoyed your thoughts on the difference between ships-of-the-line and smaller vessels. And the important difference between transport ships and warships. It led me to alll kinds of thoughts about naval doctrines; which types of ships different nations choose to build based on strategy, economy and technology.
I never really thought about the fact that a fleet is just as dependant as an army on logistics. An army might send out a few men on horseback as scouts or messengers, but a fleet will need small, fast boats for that job. Courriers and postal service can be handled by riders and wagons, but a fleet will need a ship for that too. And of course, a fleet will need supplies of food, sails, rope, barrels and ammunition to operate in offensive or defensive operations. So it makes sense that a fleet will have both small fast boats and ships, large slow transports and also heavily armed warships to carry out all kinds of missions.
:-) Jesper
Very interesting thoughts and numbers!
Thanks.
I think it looks very reasonable, although I might be tempted to also increase the fleet size of Minrothad. Or maybe just work out an estimate of their privateer fleet.
That's possible, too. Bruce's economy spreadsheet could also be of use to gauge Minrothad's fleet against the HK.
I enjoyed your thoughts on the difference between ships-of-the-line and smaller vessels. And the important difference between transport ships and warships. It led me to alll kinds of thoughts about naval doctrines; which types of ships different nations choose to build based on strategy, economy and technology.
Yes, these are important issues, though probably Mystaran admirals can use magic to perform some of these tasks -- especially communication and scouting, since you don't need large numbers of mages/clerics to perform.
Of course, transport ships and fast ships are still important.
Note that, in Mystara, the composition of a fleet can be also affected by the presence of an Air Fleet -- e.g., the HK's navy is clearly oriented towards transportation, since scouting and assault are the domain of the Luftflotte. The same would likely be true for Alphatia.
My reasoning is that Thyatis will have mostly galleys that would be used both offensively and defensively along coastlines, rather than ships designed to fight in high seas, since there is little to fight over in high seas.
Thyatis would have a number of those scorpion galleys described in the Dawn of the Emperors maps.
The Shires and Minrothad have pirate/privateer(privately owned) warships as well. And the Honor Island mages have 12 fireships total(as has already been mentioned).
And then there is the question of Alphatia, with how many naval versus skyships, and just how many of those mammoth man o war skyships do they have?
My reasoning is that Thyatis will have mostly galleys that would be used both offensively and defensively along coastlines, rather than ships designed to fight in high seas, since there is little to fight over in high seas.
Well, there's one reason to have warships capable of high-sea travel, that is moving them to whatever nation you want to bring war to.
However, the inability of galleys to travel off the coast is somewhat overrated -- it is a byproduct of the galleys origin in the Mediterranean, but oar-powered ships can be built to be seaworthy, e.g. the longships.
The real problem is carrying enough food for long journeys for the large crew of a galley.
Also, in RW the galleys became obsolete also due to the development of cannons: the galley's advantage over the sailing ship is its ability to maneuver (to reach close range and either ram or board), but with cannons it became impossible to ram an enemy ship without being exposed to enemy fire, while putting cannons in galleys (the galleasses in Lepanto, e.g.) was possible, but actually gave no benefits in battle over the man-of-war, because the galleasses were too heavy to maneuver.
So, Thyatis may still use galleys, considering that most of its area of activity is confined within the Sea of Dawn -- from the Mainland to the Isle of Dawn, and from there to Ochalea and Pearl Islands.
The recent expansion in the Hinterlands probably required the addition of more sailing ships (beyond the troop transports).
Also the attempt to control Norwold would require the construction of new ships (possibly longship designs borrowed from Ostland).
The Thyatians should also be able to build "age of sails" ships, as those are likely used in the Savage Coast.
Thyatis would have a number of those scorpion galleys described in the Dawn of the Emperors maps.
Those are supposed to be "average war galleys" of the Thyatian fleet.
And then there is the question of Alphatia, with how many naval versus skyships, and just how many of those mammoth man o war skyships do they have?
Unknown number. However, consider that the Alphatians have several different classes of skyships (man-of-war, brigantines, schooners and sloops), ranging from 50 to 600 in total crew (airmen + marines), and they also have at least one aircraft carrier (picture and text in DotE).
Considering the number of dragons and rocs in the RAF and Knights of the Air, and assuming that a dragon or two (with 9th+ level rider) could take on a single Alphatian skyship (as did Retebius in the independence war), then probably Alphatia's skynavy includes at least some 50-100 large skyships.
My guess is that the Alphatian sea fleet is not much developed, serving mostly to carry non-magic troops (slave armies) and cavalry to the battlefields.
Maybe I lost some ship's names, but I think I have included the great part of the available info. It's a huge amount of material. If your PCs go sailing, they will get bored long before they will met all the ships listed in this article...
As you may guess, everything inside this article is official.
The ships are grouped for nationality. They are divided in the same classes of the Rules Cyclopedia:
small galley
large galley
longship
war galley
small sailing ship
large sailing ship
vessel
special ship
If possible, troop transport capacity is also specified.
Special ships include flying and submergible ships, the Ierendian Fireships, the Alphak's Volcano Ironclads and other noticeable vessels (such as the war catamarans of Kron).It is assumed that wartime fleet is 10 times standing fleet.
Most of the ship's names comes from GAZ4 (or GAZ9) detachable counters, even if many of them come also from the rest of the official modules.
When a ship name has no module reference it is intended that it comes from GAZ4/GAZ9 counters.
At the end of this article you will find also a list of merchant's and private's ships of difficult allocation (unknown or disputed nationality).
ALFHEIM
Elven Swan Ship.......(small sailing ship, flying) Asvoria Treesearcher (CoM)
Lightboats (flying ships, built in an unknown number by elven communities that possess a Tree of Life)
ALPHAKS'VOLCANO
120 ironclads (undead crew. Each Ironclad counted as a large galley. Admiral: a lich. (M1)
ALPHATIA
The Alphatian Navy may be reconstructed from PWAI. Many Alphatian fleets were left stranded in many harbors of Norwold and Isle of Dawn. Other fleets were fighting offshore Metropolitan Thyatis; although they are all counted as "Remnants of Alphatian divisions" you may notice that they all have the same effectives and the same combat values. Considering that the Alphatian fleets docked in Ekto, Trikelios and Dunadale shouldn't have suffered any damage during the WotI's war with Thyatis, we could argue that the data showed in PWAI refers to an intact Alphatian fleet.
In detail, from PWAI we know that:
8 fleets surrender to Thyatis in AC1010
1 fleet is in Ekto
4 fleets are in Thothia
2 fleets are in Trikelios
4 fleets are in Dunadale
Each of these fleets has: 16 small sailing ships, 4 small sailing ships converted to troop transport, 4 large sailing ships, 4 large sailing ships converted to troop transport.
Total: 304 small sailing ships, 76 small sailing ships converted to troop transport, 76 large sailing ships, 76 large sailing ships converted to troop transport.
Then we have the Petty Alphatian Nobles Fleet, described in M2 module. They are harboured in Trollhattan. The fleet composition is: 4 war galleys, 8 large galleys, 25 small galleys. Admiral: Zhenggys.
Submergible fleet:
Shark.................(submergible vessel) (DotE)
Alphatian submergible fleet includes also Aquas galleys (see “Aquas” entry).
Flying Fleet: this fleet is made from military flying ships plus some other ships belonging to powerful mages.
Most of the military fleet was destroyed in Aasla at the beginning of WotI events, so we don't know its full power. Here is a list of all of the known flying ships:
Mastwalker............(small sailing ship, flying) (PWAI)
Flying Fish...........(small sailing ship, flying) (PWAI)
Black Kraken of Draco.(small sailing ship, flying) damaged beyond repair in AC1010 (PWAI)
Princess Ark..........(large sailing ship, flying) heavily reshaped in AC1000 (CoM)
Tipsy Tirant..........(small sailing ship, flying) with base in Alphatian Neatharum, Captain: Marakaz (WotI)
Air ship of Love......(large sailing ship, flying) in Rainbow Park, above Gaity island (DotE)
Enchanting............(small sailing ship, flying) Captain: Solinari Astridian (CoM)
???...................(flying carrier) built for joined Thyatian/Alphatian mission to SpillWorld (DotE)
16 flying small galleys in Alphatian Neatharum (PWAI)
2 flying longships in Floating Ar (PWAI)
2 flying war galleys in Floating Ar (PWAI)
Moreover, Prince Zandor has a flying castle suitable for warfare. Its captain is a lich (M2)
Main known naval bases of Metropolitan Alphatia are:
Eagret, Aasla and Trollhattan for the Navy (DotE, M2)
Aasla and Floating Ar for the aerial fleet (WotI, DotE)
Aquas for the submergible fleet (DotE)
Other naval bases could be located in Stonewall and Randel Kingdoms, due to their militaristic attitude.
AQUAS
10 submergible galleys (counted as small galleys)
A submergible galley sink in AC1010 on Qeodhar's route due to Zandor's mistake (PWAI)
CATHOS
It has a large cargo fleet whose ships stops in many Mystara's ports. It should be essentially composed of sailing ships.
???...................(small sailing ship) Captain: Ahmadi
???...................(large sailing ship) Captain: Ahmadi (another ship belonging to him)
???...................(small sailing ship) PC's reward if he manage to complete X1SOLO adventure
DAROKIN
Wartime fleet: 144 small sailing ships, 12 large sailing ships, 6 large sailing ships converted to troop transport, used as flagship
Markuri...............(small galley)
Akorros...............(small galley)
Akesoli...............(small galley)
Corunglain............(large galley)
Athenos...............(small sailing ship)
Illefarn..............(small sailing ship)
Selenica..............(small sailing ship)
Alfheim...............(small sailing ship)
Malpheggi.............(large sailing ship)
Darokin...............(large sailing ship)
DAWNRIM
Wartime fleet: 2 war galleys, 3 small sailing ships converted to troop transport, 1 large sailing ship converted to troop transport, used as flagship.
DUNADALE
Wartime fleet: 24 small sailing ships converted to troop transport, 24 large sailing ships
EAST PORTAGE
Wartime fleet: 4 small sailing ships converted to troop transport, 4 large sailing ships
EKTO
Wartime fleet: 16 small sailing ships converted to troop transport, 16 large sailing ships
ESTERHOLD
We know that Port Marlin is a major trading harbor, it should have many merchant ships and also a large number of military ships in order to protect trade routes against Minaean pirates.
It is possible that some flying ships are harbored in Skyfyr.
Unluckily, we don't have detailed data about these fleets.
FIVE SHIRES
The navy is essentially made of privates and pirates.
The government's fleet (standing condition) is made of: 2 war galleys, 4 longships, 2 small galleys, 11 small sailing ships.
From GAZ8 we know that there are about 120 noticeable pirate ships belonging to the Five Shires. At least 30 of them are always active in Mystara's seas. Most of them are small sailing ships.
Most famous modern pirates operating in Five Shire's sea:
???...................(??? - pirate) Captain: Red Rory Hackskull ("The halfling as tall as a dwarf") (GAZ8)
???...................(??? - pirate) Captain: Crommor ("The Hammer") (GAZ8)
Storm Bird............(large sailing ship - pirate) Captain: Jalassa Longwinkle ("Jalassa of the Long Whip") (GAZ8)
Bloodsail.............(??? - pirate) Captain: Mulgor Loberlinn (just retired, operating in the last 20 years) (GAZ8)
Shireton Dragon.......(large sailing ship) belonging to Five Shires military navy (GAZ8)
Barracuda.............(small galley)
Swordfish.............(small galley)
Nixie.................(small sailing ship)
Nautilus..............(small sailing ship)
Sea lion..............(small sailing ship)
GLANTRI
Flying fleet:
Pride of the sky.....(???) belonging to Dedalus Magus, crashed in the Broken Lands in AC899 due to a fight with a dragon (Dragon #20)
Wind Chaser..........(???) belonging to Dedalus Magus, twin ship of the Pride of the Sky (Dragon #20)
???..................(zeppelin pulled by two huge rocs) belonging to Lord Emeth Urbaal (GAZ3)
???..................(small flying ship with the shape of a dragonfly) (GAZ3)
During WotI events, some Glantrian adventurers steal an Alphatian flying ship in Aasla sky yard(WotI).
HELDANNIC TERRITORIES
Wartime fleet: 16 large galleys, 120 small galleys
Flying fleet of Heldannic Knigts (from PWAI):
12 warbirds (both small and large) in Metropolitan Heldann
6 small warbirds in Hollow World before WotI
4 flying longships in Hollow World Stonehaven outpost
1 large warbird in Hollow World Oostdock
Skiplade, legendary Frey's ship. Built by the Mogdriswerg dwarves, this ship is always moved by favorable winds, and can be folded many times in order to become as small as an handkerchief. (GAZ7)
???...................(large galley) no crew. This ghost ship contains only a vampire originally traveling from Ostland to Freiburg (X13)
HELSKIR
Wartime fleet: 16 small sailing ships converted to troop transport, 16 large sailing ships
HORKEN
Wartime fleet: 4 war galleys, 12 small sailing ships, 2 large sailing ships converted to troop transport counted as flagships
HULE
Due to Vilverde's containment policy, Hule doesn't own a consistent military fleet. This could haven't been true in the past, due to the presence of the old, lost Hulean colony of Garganin on Davania's coast.
In AC1010 Huleans manage to launch a small fleet of pirate ships (bought by some Savage Coast countries and from the Black Eagle Barony). This fleet is operating in the waters south of Malpheggi Bay.
Hule has a flying fleet, made of 10 flying longships.
IERENDI
Ierendi's Navy is strongly militaristic and organized. It is made of many heterogenous naval units; many of them are assembled only during wartime or crisis periods. An estimate of its whole wartime power can be made joining the information of GAZ4 and PWAI.
Royal Brigade: Assembled only in wartime. 36 small sailing ships converted to troop and horses transport, 24 war galleys. (PWAI)
Elite Disembark Force: Seldom used. 9 large sailing ships converted to troop and horses transport, crews are made of low level mages.
(PWAI)
Royal Fleet: Average wartime fleet; 36 ships in total (galleys and sailing ships, about 16 of them belongs to privates). (GAZ4)
Fire Island Fleet: 12 fireship: rarely used all together. (GAZ4)
Naval Academy Fleet: 10-15 galleys and sailing ships. Maybe its crew are still not very well trained, so it should be used as a reserve unit.(GAZ4)
Patrol Fleet: 30 small ships of various types (small galleys e small sailing ships) constantly patrolling the archipelago (GAZ4).
Foudroyant............(Fire ship)
Defiant...............(Fire ship)
Arrogant..............(small galley)
Vailant...............(small galley)
Formidable............(small galley)
Sovereign.............(small galley)
Glorious..............(small galley)
Inflexible............(small galley)
Superb................(large sailing ship)
Flamboyant............(large sailing ship)
Gallant...............(large galley)
Illustrious...........(large galley)
Thunderer.............(large galley)
Fearless..............(longship)
Dauntless.............(longship)
Invincible............(war galley) best ship of the fleet. Admiral: Jarren Kindle
Intrepid..............(small sailing ship)
Adamant...............(small sailing ship)
Courageous............(small sailing ship)
Victorious............(small sailing ship)
???...................(??? - flying) Captain: Morgana (M4)
???...................(??? - pirate) Captain: Richards, operating in Ierendi area; killed in AC1013 (JA)
Rory Rosebeard was probably a famous Ierendian Captain. Probably he is the first explorer to reach the Isle of Dread in Thanegiot Archipelago in modern times. (X1)
KARAMEIKOS
Standing fleet: 4 small sailing ships converted to troop transport, 2 small galleys
In AC1010 Karameikos give shelter to the remnants of 4 Alphatian naval units defeated by Thyatians in the naval battles of Deirdren and Dunadale on the Isle of Dawn (see "Alphatia" entry). This may explain the large number of Karameikan ships launched after AC1010.
Fyodorski.............(small galley)
Sergeiev..............(small galley)
Ilyana................(small galley)
Ivanovitch............(small galley)
Dimitrov..............(war galley)
Ecaterina.............(large galley)
Anyavitch.............(large galley)
Yakovski..............(small sailing ship)
Stefanov..............(small sailing ship)
Irenescu..............(small sailing ship)
Tatiana...............(large sailing ship)
Seasteed..............(large galley) (X1SOLO)
Crusader..............(small sailing ship) crew of clerics (X1SOLO)
Dragon's Breath.......(large galley) crew of warriors (X1SOLO)
Cutpurse..............(small sailing ship - pirate?) crew of thieves (X1SOLO)
Willoway..............(large galley) crew of elves (X1SOLO)
Goodhope..............(small sailing ship - maybe belonging to the Five Shires) crew of halfling (X1SOLO)
Pioneer...............(???- explorer) launched in AC1013 to make the world tour (JA)
Farseeker.............(large sailing ship - explorer) launched in AC1011, directed to the north polar opening (PWAII)
Foamrider.............(vessel- merchant) (JA)
Lucius................(large sailing ship) new fleet flagship, launched in AC1013 (JA)
Motherlode Rover......(longship) crew of gnomes, Captain: Robern Sternslate (B8)
KASTELIOS
This trading city should have a large cargo fleet on the routes between Davania and the Serpent Peninsula. From CoM and PWAIII we know that Kastelios is a growing trading power, so a larger number of ships is expected to be launched in the future.
Unluckily, we don't have detailed data about these fleets.
KENDACH
Wartime fleet: 12 small sailing ships converted to troop transport, 12 large sailing ships
KOLL
trading port somewhere west of the Known World. From Dungeon #9. Many galleys and sailing ships stops in its harbor.
Unluckily, we don't have detailed data about these fleets. We know the names of just a couple of ships:
Effete Efreet.........(large galley)
Old Ghostly...........(small sailing ship - submergible and pirate) crew of aquatic elves, Captain: Sork the Enchanter
KRON
A city built on rafts, former commercial partner of Minrothad and other coastal countries of the region. An alliance with the triton city of Suthus reverted Kron's activities to piracy. Kron's fleet is made of very fast boats and small ships, suitable for raids.
Wartime fleet: 24 war catamarans, 10 rafts trained by sea horses (X7)
MERIANDER
Wartime fleet: 14 war galleys, 42 small sailing ships, 7 large sailing ships converted to troop transport counted as flagships
MINAEA
Minaean Navy seems composed solely by pirate longships (from M2), but from PWAIII we know that it should harbor also a cargo and military fleet. Unluckily we don't have information about them.
Pirate Fleet: 80 longships, Admiral: Krondell the One-Eyed (M2)
Around AC 930 the Minaean Coast was infested by the ships of a famous pirate lord called Yodar, very dangerous to Alphatian merchant vessels.
The fleet was called "Yodar's Sea Wolves".
MINROTHAD
Minrothad fleet is similar in organization to a Mariner Republic, such as Venice. The ships mainly belongs to the Guilds or to private merchants, and are assembled in one or more fleets in times of need.
Wartime fleet: 108 small sailing ships, 10 large sailing ships
Transport fleet: 50 large sailing ships converted to troop transport (M2)
Admiral: Meister Silbergeld (M2)
Silver................(small galley)
Emerald...............(small sailing ship)
Jade..................(small sailing ship)
Gold..................(small sailing ship)
Ruby..................(small sailing ship)
Obsidian..............(small sailing ship)
Opal..................(small sailing ship)
Ivory.................(small sailing ship)
Amber.................(large sailing ship)
Pearl.................(large sailing ship)
Sapphire..............(small galley)
Zephir................(small sailing ship)
Carnelian.............(small sailing ship)
Zodiac................(small sailing ship)
Platinum..............(small sailing ship)
Garnet................(small sailing ship)
Diamond...............(large sailing ship)
Coral.................(large sailing ship)
Alabaster.............(large sailing ship)
Agate.................(large sailing ship)
Eagret................(??? - merchant of Elsan Guild) Captain: Elsan Saroso (GAZ9)
Radiant...............(small sailing ship - merchant) Captain: Erundal Kelar (GAZ9)
Reedbottom............(??? - merchant) (PWAI)
Disreputable Girl.....(??? - merchant) (JA)
Callista..............(??? - belonging to a Guild) (JA)
NORWOLD
Wartime fleet: 1 war galley, 6 longships, 15 small galleys, 2 large sailing ship converted to troop transport, Admiral: Dolnarys
Support fleet: 15 small galleys, 30 small sailing ships
Bethilda's Star.......(large sailing ship) personal ship of King Ericall. Captain: Traegar (M5)
Moreover, there are the Norwold barbarians, Ericall's allies: they have a fleet of 40 longships, Admiral: Barkal the Red (M1-M2)
NOTRION
Wartime fleet: 2 war galleys, 6 small sailing ships converted to troop transport, 1 large sailing ship converted to troop transport acting as a flagship.
OCEANSEND
Wartime fleet: 4 large galleys, 5 small galleys, 10 large sailing ships, Admiral: Frothnard
OSTLAND
Most of the Ostland fleet is made of private ships, often pirates. They will unite in large unities in order to protect their land or to raid some enemy.
Standing fleet: 28 longships
Hellstrom.............(longship)
Raegnald..............(longship)
Gunbjorn..............(longship)
Beowulf...............(longship)
Wilfred...............(longship)
Thorfinn..............(longship)
Oberack's Dragon Prow....(longship, flying) Captain: Oberack
QEODHAR
Wartime fleet: 18 longships
REDSTONE
Wartime fleet: 4 small sailing ships converted to troop transport, 4 large sailing ships
SAVAGE COAST
We know that Vilaverde and Texeiras are the major naval power of the region. Vilaverde should have the most numerous and aggressive fleet (due to the number and extension of its colonial empire and its containment policy against Hule's ships). The Kingdom of Renardy should possess at least a small fleet, due to the presence of a small colony in the Immortal's Arm.
Unluckily, we don't have detailed data about these fleets.
Selwynn...............(??? Vilaverde merchant) Captain: Killian O'Kaine (SC)
Tritao................(??? Texeiras merchant) Captain: Dom Iago (captured by Sea Plague orcs) (Dragon #200)
???...................(??? - pirate) Captain: Donovan Keir (SC)
???...................(??? - mercenary of Narvaez) Captain: Angelic de Ariela, leader of the Los Matones/Los Elegidos (SC)
Famous captains of the past:
Akobaan the Merchant (his ship sunk decades ago due to a collision with a floating island in the north of Trident Bay) (Dungeon #6)
Trader Jack, founder of Richland Trading Post (Dungeon #6)
SEPTENTRIONA
Wartime fleet: 4 small sailing ships converted to troop transport, 4 large sailing ships
SIND
Sind should have a cargo and military fleet, because the rajas' attempts to build a naval force are centuries old. Unluckily, we don't have detailed data about these fleets.
The rajadhiraja of Sind has a great flying palace, built sometime after AC1000.
SERRAINE
This city is an huge flying device populated by gnomes, sphinxes, pegataurs and other creatures. Serraine can launch a large number of small flying ships, similar in shape to Ist World War aircrafts. (source: PC3)
10 triplanes
12 biplanes
3 fighter-bombers
some transport aircrafts
SLAGOVICH
This city has a large trading port; anyway it should have a fleet numerically inferior to Vilaverde's and Texeira's ones. Unluckily we don't know any details about its fleet.
SODERFJORD
Wartime fleet: 60 longships
Raknar................(longship)
Olafson...............(longship)
Svenson...............(longship)
Harald................(longship)
Knutvald..............(longship)
Hallad................(longship)
Thorvald..............(longship)
Sigurd................(longship)
Saknussen.............(longship)
SURSHIELD
Wartime fleet: 8 war galleys 12 small sailing ships converted to troop transport, 4 large sailing ships converted to troop transport acting as flagships.
Stormrider............(??? - pirate) Captain: Firebrand. Operating in Bellissarian Sea, captured in AC1012 (PWAIII)
SeaStalker............(vessel) belonging to Surshield Navy, launched in AC1012 (PWAIII)
THOTHIA
Wartime fleet: 20 small sailing ships converted to troop transport, 20 large sailing ships.
THYATIS
Wartime fleet: from PWAI we know that Thyatis, at its full strength, own 23 fighting fleets, for a total of 184 large sailing ships, 46 war galleys, 138 small galleys.
Docking bay of some Thyatian fleets:
I fleet: Lucinius
II, IV, IX, XX, XXI, XXII fleets: Thyatis City
VII fleet: Hattias
XII fleet: Raven Scarp
XV fleet: Terentias
XVIII fleet: Tel Akbir
XXIII fleet: Carytion
Another naval base is located in the Perl Islands (maybe in Seagirt, see Helena Daphnotarthius biography inside PWAI), and another one should be in Kerendas, because this city is the seat of the Vice-Admiral of the Navy. Mayba another naval base is in Beitung, in the Ochalea island.
Moreover, from M2 modules we know that Thyatis owns two military transport fleets. Given that the 23 military combat fleets have progressive numbers from 1 to 25 these two transport fleets should have the two remaining numbers (I suggest the numerals 24 and 25):
XXIV fleet (transport): 3 war galleys, 15 small galleys, 60 large sailing ships converted to troop transport (Naval base: Thyatis).
XXV fleet (transport): 12 large galleys, 40 large sailing ships converted to troop transport (Naval base: Isle of Dawn, maybe Newkirk).
Chief Commanders of the whole Thyatian Navy:
Commodore: Rezzan (changed to Helena Daphnotarthius during WotI)
Admiral: Zaaviq (in the naval base of Thyatis City)
Vice Admiral: Kobhrax (in the naval base of Kerendas)
Olivia VI.............(small galley)
Adriana X.............(small galley)
Constantin............(small galley)
Aetius................(small galley)
Augustin I............(small galley)
Stefan II.............(small galley)
St. Valen.............(small galley)
Alexander.............(small galley)
Andronicus............(small galley)
Octavian..............(small galley)
Aurelian..............(small galley)
Basil XV..............(small galley)
Belisarian............(small galley)
St. Caliana...........(small galley)
Diocletian............(small galley)
Gallen................(large galley)
Eugene................(large galley)
Emilian...............(large galley)
Theodore..............(large galley)
Sophia................(large galley)
Irene III.............(large galley)
Julian XVII...........(large galley)
Justin................(war galley)
King Leo..............(small sailing ship)
Marcus I..............(small sailing ship)
Michael...............(large sailing ship)
Lucas.................(large sailing ship)
Clement...............(large sailing ship)
Raphaena..............(large sailing ship)
Diogenes..............(large sailing ship)
Nicomede..............(small sailing ship)
Zenobia...............(small sailing ship)
Tiberian..............(small sailing ship)
Anatole...............(small sailing ship)
Alexis III............(small sailing ship)
Nicephore.............(small sailing ship)
Ephesian..............(small sailing ship)
Cleo..................(small sailing ship)
Daphne................(small sailing ship)
Tamerlane.............(small sailing ship)
Evander...............(war galley), 20th fleet - becomes pirate in AC1012 (PWAIII)
Marinos...............(war galley), 20th fleet - becomes pirate in AC1012 (PWAIII)
Salvation.............(large sailing ship - merchant) Captain: Theodosius Kantinoumeiros (PWAI)
Waveleaper............(vessel) sunk in AC1010 (PWAI)
Belle Venture.........(???) Captain: Malmir (an elf) (X8)
Dawn Lark ............(???) lost around AC1000 near Teki-Nu-Raria (X8)
Thyatian flying ships: these ships, all built after WotI events, represent the whole Thyatian aerial navy in AC1013:
Adoria............... launched in 1013DI
Adrasteia............ launched in 1013DI
Imperial Eagle....... launched in 1012DI
???.................. Prototype flying ship, launched in AC1010 and then crashed
TRIKELIOS
Wartime fleet: 20 small sailing ships converted to troop transport, 20 large sailing ships.
VESTLAND
Vestland Navy should be made of regular military ships and private ships. Contributions of pirate ships are not excluded.
Wartime fleet: 256 longships.
Bjorndall.............(longship)
Gustavson.............(longship)
Elrikson..............(longship)
Bjorgsen..............(longship)
Redraven..............(longship) Captain: Thurman (X13)
Golden Eagle..........(longship) Estin Duke's personal ship Captain: Kator (X13)
Black Pariah..........(longship - pirate) Captain: Olev the Black (X13)
???...................(longship - ghost ship) Captain: Thors Erikson, lost in Ostland waters 40 years before X13 events
WESTROURKE
Wartime fleet: 16 small sailing ships converted to troop transport, 16 large sailing ships.
YAVDLOM
Yavdlom should have a large fleet, due to the presence of many Yavdlom colonies in the Serpent Peninsula, along Davanian Coast and on the
Immortal's Arm (Yav migration in BC500-400). From X6 we know there are trades with the Western Thanegiot Archipelago.
Unluckily we don't have details about yavdlom fleets.
YLARUAM
Wartime fleet: 180 small sailing ships
Ali Pasha.............(small galley)
Abu Pasha.............(small galley)
Al Kalim..............(small galley)
Bir Kalim.............(small galley)
Mahmudieh.............(small sailing ship)
Nefud.................(small sailing ship)
Sinbad................(small sailing ship)
Muktar................(small sailing ship)
Safiyyah..............(vessel - merchant) sunk in AC1013 (JA)
MERCHANTS, PIRATES AND SPECIAL SHIPS OF UNCERTAIN NATIONALITY
Possible Savage Coast ships:
Alvarez...............(large galley)
Bartolomeo............(small galley)
Isabella..............(large galley)
Consuelo..............(large galley)
Dos Amigos............(war galley)
El chico..............(small sailing ship)
Esperanza.............(small sailing ship)
Manuela...............(large sailing ship)
Cristobal.............(large sailing ship)
Tortuga...............(small sailing ship – pirate) Captain: Silverleg (the richest pirate of the seas)
Possible Northern Reches/Heldannic ships:
Fjordvall.............(longship)
Valkyrie..............(longship)
Oswulf................(longship)
Thorgrim..............(longship - pirate) Captain: Red Eye
Sigtrygg..............(longship - pirate)
Magnussen.............(longship - pirate)
Possible Ylaruam ships:
Sheik.................(small galley)
Possible Five Shires ships:
Mermaid...............(small galley)
Triton................(small galley)
Brandywind............(small sailing ship)
Possible Ierendian ships:
Vigilant..............(large galley)
Defender..............(war galley)
Cormorant.............(large sailing ship)
Bounty................(small sailing ship)
Unknown nationality ships:
Merchant vessels:
The rose..............(small galley)
The Swan..............(small galley)
Unicorn...............(small galley)
Medusa................(small galley)
Siren.................(small galley)
Savage................(small galley)
Arrow.................(small galley)
Cutpurse..............(large galley)
Seasteed..............(large galley)
Challenge.............(large galley)
The devil.............(large galley)
Hillsbury.............(war galley)
Monarch...............(war galley)
Amazon................(longship)
Vixen.................(longship)
Sea dragon............(longship)
Crusader..............(small sailing ship)
Goodhope..............(small sailing ship)
Premise...............(small sailing ship)
Moon..................(small sailing ship)
Harpoon...............(small sailing ship)
Herald................(small sailing ship)
The eagle.............(small sailing ship)
Fortuna...............(small sailing ship)
Flower................(small sailing ship)
Pilgrim...............(small sailing ship)
Peregrin..............(small sailing ship)
Princess..............(small sailing ship)
Griffin...............(large sailing ship)
Providence............(large sailing ship)
Rainbow...............(large sailing ship)
Radiant...............(large sailing ship)
Seahorse..............(large sailing ship) (PWAII)
Lauren................(private - vessel) (JA)
Pirate ships:
Blackbeard............(small galley)
Buccaneer.............(small galley)
Swashbuckler..........(small galley)
Cutlass...............(large galley)
Sea Hawk..............(large galley)
Revenge...............(war galley)
The Pride.............(small sailing ship)
Sea Hag...............(small sailing ship)
Renegade..............(large sailing ship) Captain: Moana Beardless (the "Queen of the Seas")
Barbarossa............(large sailing ship)
Special ships:
Seaview...............(submergible ship guided by gnomes) Captain: Hamish mc Gregor (PC3)
Geodome Airship.......Azlum Swith (CoM)
Seawitch..............(longship) lizardmen crew devouted to the sea witch Ala (X13)
Appendix 1: Alphatian Empire versus Thyatian Empire:
Here is what you get when you sum the whole ships available for the whole Empire of Thyatis and the whole Empire of Alphatia, in wartime conditions. It may give a clue about of the military forces unleashed during Wrath of the Immortals' war.
Alphatian Empire Navy:
Metropolitan Alphatia + Aquas + Bellissaria + Qeodhar + Norwold and its allies + Eastern Isle of Dawn; not counting Oceansend and Helskir
150 large sailing ships
91 large sailing ships converted to troop transport
388 small sailing ships
173 small sailing ships converted to troop transport
35 war galleys
8 large galleys
24 longships + 40 longships (belonging to Norwold barbarians)
55 small galleys
Aerial fleet:
2 flying large sailing ships
5 flying small sailing ships
2 flying war galleys
2 flying longships
16 flying small galleys
1 flying carrier
Flying castle (of Zandor)
+ Many other military flying ships harbored in Aasla
Submergibile fleet:
1 submergible small sailing ship
10 submergible galleys (counted as small galleys)
TOTAL:
924 ships + 28 flying ships + 11 submergible ships
Thyatian Empire Navy:
Metropolitan Thyatis + Western Isle of Dawn + Perl Island + Ochalea + Hinterlands; not counting the flying fleet.
220 large sailing ships
100 large sailing ships converted to troop transport
36 small sailing ships converted to troop transport
49 war galleys
12 large galleys
153 small galleys
TOTAL:
570 ships
Notice that both Empires base their naval power mainly on sailing ships (mainly large ones). Even in Thyatian Empire, the sum of all sailing ships is about 50% more of the sum of all the galleys.
We may think that the average Mystaran naval technology around AC1000 is in a transition phase from galleys to sailing ships (a condition similar to Europe's 1450-1550 period), with some nations experimenting even more modern ships (Minrothad produces small clippers, that are a typical ship of XVIII century).
Appendix 2: the largest 12 fleets of Mystara
This list includes only the nations whose fleets are explicitly known, referred to wartime conditions. Many nations, such as Vilaverde, Texeiras, Kartelios, Cathos and Slagovich, also possess a very large navy, and they surely take place somewhere in this list (especially Vilaverde). The lack of detailed info about them prevents their enlisting.
It is assumed that a wartime fleet is about 10 times a standing fleet.
1) Alphatia (whole empire)
924 ships + 28 flying vessels (maybe much more) + 11 submergible vessels
2)Thyatis (whole empire)
570 ships
3) Ostland
280 ships
4) Vestland
256 ships
5) Five Shires
190 ships
6) Ylaruam
180 ships
7) Minrothad
168 ships
8) Darokin
162 ships
9) Heldann
136 ships + 23 flying vessels
10) Ierendi
138 ships
11) Alphaks'Volcano
120 ships
12) Minaea
80 ships (maybe much more)
Nations that have at least a flying ship (from largest to smallest):
Alphatia (28+), Serraine (25+), Heldann(23), Hule(10), Glantri(4/5), Thyatis(3/4), Ierendi(1), Ostland(1), Sind(1)
Important note: the numerical entity of a navy, in general, does NOT reflect its true value in battle.
The value in battle depends strongly on the kind of their ships (think about the ironclads of Alphaks' Volcano), their quality (for example Ierendian ships are the best for quality, while Minrothad's clippers should be the fastest), on the training of the crew (Ierendian and Thyatians should be the best) and the value of their captain (maybe Minroth has the best of them). Oh, and on weaponry, of course (Alphatian ships should not be so weak if they have at least a mage on board...). So it is quite difficult to give a classification by battle value. Even the BR system is incomplete, giving the fact that it depends also on climate conditions and on numerical ratio of the involved fleets.
:-) Jesper