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#1kalthandrixNov 03, 2005 13:01:53 | I am currently working on a 3.5 write up on the Obsidian Man of Urik. While I have been bounceing ideas off of my man Nytcrawlr, I would also like to hear what the community thinks of the material that I have so far. This is only the bard bones of the project and everything I have to this point is subject to revision. Obsidian Man of Urik Large Construct HD 40d10+30 (430 hp) Speed: 40 ft. AC 36 (-1 size, +2 Dex, +20 natural, +5 deflection) BAB/Grapple: +24/ +47 Attack: Slam melee +39 (3d10+15) Full Attack: 2 slams melee +39 (3d10+15) Space/Reach: 10 ft./10 ft. Special Attacks: Spell-like abilities Special Qualities: Construct traits, flawless construction, magic & psionic immunity, DR 15/ epic and adamantine, mountainous construction Saves: Fort +16 Ref +18, Will +16 Feats: Power Attack (B), Improved Bull-rush (B), Awesome Blow (B) Abilities: Str 40, Dex 15, Con - , Int 3 , Wis 11, Cha 1 Flawless Construction (Ex): The OM is perfectly made from the most flawless obsidian ever. As such, the OM has maximum hit points for its hit dice. Mountainous Construction (Ex): The OM is considered a Huge creature for determining the effects of its grappling and bull-rush attacks and the sucess of such attacks when used agains it. (I do not like this name too much and it will end up changing- it is like the powerful build feature of a race I seen in the Races of Stone book). Spell-like Abilities: At will- passwall, stone shape; 5/day heightened (9th lvl) corrupt scorching ray; 1/day heightened (9th lvl) corrupt wall of fire; 1/week heightened (9th lvl) finger of death.- All spells will act as if cast be a 25th lvl wizard (save DC equals 15+spell level). The corrupt spells take a 10th level spell slot (heightened to 9th and 1 additional level due to the corrupt). I got the idea to use the corrupt metamagic feat from reading the original write up that stated that the flames were black, and I thought it was cool too. The corrupt spell metamagic feat is in the Complete Divine, so I may have to come up with a different variant for it- I will not link the effect to the Grey or Black because I see the OM as kinda like the Dark Lens- working and fueling its power through the sun somehow. I was thinking of giving it maybe a single power from the psychportation discipline that would aid its travel, but not fly. Maybe something like a dimensional door. The OM will retain its spell/psionic vulnerabilities as stated in the Book of Artifacts. This preliminary write up is based in part off of the mithral golem in the ELH. As you can see I gave the OM a Intelligence score and this is due to the fact that- well it is not a regular make-one-at-home construct. I was thinking of fleshing out more of the creatures background and have it be the original guardian of the Dark Lens- made from the same obsidian, and infused with the spirit of a powerful fire or sun elemental (hense its fire abilities). Also giving it an Int will also allow for it to have feats on its own (not just bonus feats) and some small selection of skills. I is just something I am tinkering with. The MM states that most constructs do not have an Int, but there are a few that do like the Nimblewright from the MM2 IIRC. |
#2SysaneNov 03, 2005 13:06:04 | Not bad. I'm thinking the O-Man should be more epic in power though. This thing nearly fought the Lion of Urik to a stand still. |
#3kalthandrixNov 03, 2005 13:11:26 | Not bad. I'm thinking the O-Man should be more epic in power though. This thing nearly fought the Lion of Urik to a stand still. That is why I am fishing for some suggestions. He will be getting some epic feats and some other tid bits but I have not worked out all of the detales yet. |
#4SysaneNov 03, 2005 13:19:47 | For starters, I'd up the slam damage to at least 5d10 and increase its HD to 55d10. |
#5PennarinNov 03, 2005 13:34:21 | I wonder where you've taken the 10th-level spell slot concept from? How can a non-spellcasting critter, albeit epic, have access to epic spell slots for its spell-like abilities? |
#6nytcrawlrNov 03, 2005 13:40:51 | How can a non-spellcasting critter, albeit epic, have access to epic spell slots for its spell-like abilities? It's an artifact... The sky is the limit. |
#7PennarinNov 03, 2005 13:43:53 | It's an artifact... Good point, I was still seeing it as a critter. |
#8nytcrawlrNov 03, 2005 13:50:17 | Good point, I was still seeing it as a critter. It's one of those rare, artifact critters to be more precise, but yeah. I don't see this as any different than a rod that launches maximized fireballs for the wielder. |
#9SysaneNov 03, 2005 13:58:45 | The O-Man should be tougher than a Adamantine Golem from the ELH IMO. |
#10nytcrawlrNov 03, 2005 14:03:43 | The O-Man should be tougher than a Adamantine Golem from the ELH IMO. Aye. Oh yeah I forgot to freak out...HE'S TOUCHING MY BABY!!!! |
#11kalthandrixNov 03, 2005 14:07:01 | And it is simular to creating and epic scroll using the scribe epic scroll feat- not a epic spell per se (no spell seed) but requiring the creator to have taken improved spell capacity (?) Sysane- I am more then willing to increase the slam damage to the 5d10, but the 55 HD may be pushing it IMO- I would go so far and split the difference though and make it 47 (meaning the it would have 500 hp :evillaugh ). I donot think Hamanu is more then mid-40ish level, and while very psioically and magically strong, would not be as physically powerful as the OM, but liek I said- I may rethink it. |
#12kalthandrixNov 03, 2005 14:08:57 | Aye. I am more then touching- I am REWRITING :evillaugh You know you will love it Nyt! |
#13kalthandrixNov 03, 2005 14:13:12 | The O-Man should be tougher than a Adamantine Golem from the ELH IMO. The adamantine golem is Huge- and I believe that 12' is only in the Large catagory. But it would be easy to state that its size is due to more then its height, but also its weight and such. Which means I can increase his Str and for strength effects the OM will be considered a Gargantuan creature :evillaugh I initailly wanted it Huge, but fought against the dark voice within. |
#14nytcrawlrNov 03, 2005 14:14:13 | Sysane- I am more then willing to increase the slam damage to the 5d10, but the 55 HD may be pushing it IMO- I would go so far and split the difference though and make it 47 (meaning the it would have 500 hp :evillaugh ). I donot think Hamanu is more then mid-40ish level, and while very psioically and magically strong, would not be as physically powerful as the OM, You're kidding right? Heh, that's the way I envision it anyways. Now that I have look at it and got a little time on my hands, I have to agree with sysane, I think the adamantine golem can take the big man down. Let me beef it up some... |
#15kalthandrixNov 03, 2005 14:21:01 | You're kidding right? Heh, that's the way I envision it anyways. I will make the changes on the word doc I have at home and post the changes on this thread- I will more likely then not re-post this core write up sometime tonight. I will have to wait until this weekend to do the creative writing and flesh out its background a bit more- I was never happy with the little bit if history that the BoA gave. I plan on *gulp* expanding on its past and purpose and tie its burial to Stonecutter story I wrote. As for current history- well I have a few ideas that should be interesting for that too. |
#16nytcrawlrNov 03, 2005 14:28:13 | Coolio. I'm kinda wondering if it should not be Huge as well these days. Never liked the fact that it was just Large. Hmmmm.... |
#17SysaneNov 03, 2005 14:28:58 | As for current history- well I have a few ideas that should be interesting for that too. I currently have that Big O is in possession of Atzutek. I figured that Draj needed some sort of power in order justify why the other SKs haven't attempted to invade that SK-less city-state. |
#18kalthandrixNov 03, 2005 14:32:50 | I currently have that Big O is in possession of Atzutek. I figured that Draj needed some sort of power in order justify why the other SKs haven't attempted to invade that SK-less city-state. Interesting! I was going with the idea that the OM was the Dark Lens guardian, but has not been able to find it due to the cloaking spells the Dragon put on it, but a few years ago, it popped up on the Om's raidar again and it is currently in the ruins of Ur Draxa, and possibly under the control of Rajaat. |
#19SysaneNov 03, 2005 14:59:11 | Interesting! Nice. I actually had that the O-man resembled/looked like one the PC muls in the party. That raised my players eye brows. I won't bore people with the specifics behind that. |
#20PennarinNov 03, 2005 17:16:34 | Oh yeah I forgot to freak out...HE'S TOUCHING MY BABY!!!! Watch out everyone! I have witnessed first hand - and experienced myself - the sting of a mother, and its not pretty! Beware! |
#21nytcrawlrNov 03, 2005 18:03:27 | Watch out everyone! I have witnessed first hand - and experienced myself - the sting of a mother, and its not pretty! Beware! Awwww, still sore over the Silencer incident of 2005 Penn? |
#22kalthandrixNov 03, 2005 18:27:59 | Awwww, still sore over the Silencer incident of 2005 Penn? Hey I did a Silencer conversion but I do not think I ever heard from you on that one Nyt- I think it was during your 'library days' and were wainting to get a connection at your place. If you want to check it out thee is a link to the thread on page 2 of my spell and items thread- or you could click here. Bear in mind that this item was actually the first item I wrote and posted on this message board and looking back I would do a little tweeking. |
#23pavekNov 03, 2005 18:58:13 | I always thought it might be interesting to have the Obsidian Man actually be Irikos. BTW, what ever happened to that Bodach writeup?? |
#24kalthandrixNov 04, 2005 8:19:35 | Here is the somewhat revised core stats that I have come up with at this point. This is still a draft version. As of now- I could use some suggestions for feats (it gets 16 total). I knw that constructs do not usually have Int and therefore do not get feats or skills, but IMO the OM is a uber-unique exception for the DS setting and would merit a low Int and therefore qualify for said abilities. Obsidian Man of Urik |
#25SysaneNov 04, 2005 9:06:39 | Very nice. This is a very impressive conversion. I may use this for my game at some point. Why do you need 16 feats by the way? HD advancements? |
#26nytcrawlrNov 04, 2005 9:39:44 | Here is the somewhat revised core stats that I have come up with at this point. This is still a draft version. Ahhhh yeah. Daddy likes... |
#27kalthandrixNov 04, 2005 10:20:36 | Very nice. This is a very impressive conversion. I may use this for my game at some point. Why do you need 16 feats by the way? HD advancements? Thanks Sysane and Nyt- I live to serve Actually- looking over it and refiguring it I need 17 feats (1,3,6,9,12,15,18,21,24,27,30,33,36,39,42,45,48)- my bad. The issue I have is that some feats are too obserd for it to have and some that would be cool but does not qualify for. It is not finished by any means yet, but I think that the area that will draw the most controversy is the expanded background I would like to do for it. |
#28SysaneNov 04, 2005 10:30:57 | Well, you don't necessarily have to pick 16 feats for it. You could use the rationale that its an artifact vs. a construct and doesn't adhere to advancement progression. But if your looking to fill feat slots I'd suggest picking Combat Reflexes. |
#29nytcrawlrNov 04, 2005 10:54:46 | Yeah, and you need to add its initiative to the stat block. |
#30kalthandrixNov 04, 2005 11:01:16 | Yeah, and you need to add its initiative to the stat block. Ooops - Consider it done- I like the combat reflexes too |
#31SysaneNov 04, 2005 12:10:56 | Improved Crit & Overwhelming Crit would be a good ones as well. |
#32kalthandrixNov 04, 2005 12:56:12 | Just updated the OM again- I have all of its feats (Sysane and I were thinking along the same lines but I had not seen his post). I think the CR should be at least equal to its HD, if not slightly higher due to its maxed HP. Any thoughts? |
#33SysaneNov 04, 2005 13:12:52 | Have you considered giving the O-man an ability to ignore half object hardness? That would be great when assaulting buildings and walls and what not. That maybe over kill though. Just a thought. I'm not to sure on Big O having and Int score. I think he should be treated like any other construct in this regard. He's able to be controlled thru the circlet that Hammanu made. When not under someone's control a default command of "destroy everything" could kick in. |
#34SysaneNov 04, 2005 15:05:42 | I always thought it might be interesting to have the Obsidian Man actually be Irikos. Not that I think this to be true, but instead of Irikos, what if it were Myron? Could be that as punishment Rajaat turned him into a statue or trapped him in a vein of obsidian which had adverse effects on him. It would lend a new twist on his brawl with Hamanu. Just a thought. |
#35kalthandrixNov 04, 2005 16:15:15 | I'm not to sure on Big O having and Int score. I think he should be treated like any other construct in this regard. He's able to be controlled thru the circlet that Hammanu made. When not under someone's control a default command of "destroy everything" could kick in. But there is precident of other constructs having an Intelligence- the nimblewrigth from MMII has a 10 Int is the best example that I have found. I really see the OM as being more then the average death dealing huge construct- IMO it has a purpose and a driving force behind it greater then some kind of embeded command from its creator. |
#36SysaneNov 04, 2005 17:37:09 | But there is precident of other constructs having an Intelligence- the nimblewrigth from MMII has a 10 Int is the best example that I have found. I really see the OM as being more then the average death dealing huge construct- IMO it has a purpose and a driving force behind it greater then some kind of embeded command from its creator. I view it that he's a brutal force and nothing more. It would be interesting if in the past he did have some intellegence, but some how had it robbed from him. |
#37pavekNov 04, 2005 18:11:07 | Not that I think this to be true, but instead of Irikos, what if it were Myron? Could be that as punishment Rajaat turned him into a statue or trapped him in a vein of obsidian which had adverse effects on him. It would lend a new twist on his brawl with Hamanu. Just a thought. Nice, I actually like that better! |
#38squidfur-Nov 04, 2005 20:16:31 | Special Qualities: ...mountainous statues, :D |
#39nytcrawlrNov 04, 2005 20:23:31 |
HUGE tracks of land!!!! |
#40kalthandrixNov 04, 2005 20:23:44 |
darn you squidfur- it is supposed to be stature :D Consider it fixed you slave-driver :P |
#41jon_oracle_of_athasNov 05, 2005 4:30:28 | HUGE tracks of land!!!! Brilliant Monty Python reference, Nyt. :D |
#42nytcrawlrNov 05, 2005 10:48:27 | Brilliant Monty Python reference, Nyt. :D Thanks. And here I thought I was demented for even thinking it. ...Ok, I'm still demented... Banana nut bread for all! |
#43OninotakiNov 05, 2005 11:05:52 | Not that I think this to be true, but instead of Irikos, what if it were Myron? Could be that as punishment Rajaat turned him into a statue or trapped him in a vein of obsidian which had adverse effects on him. It would lend a new twist on his brawl with Hamanu. Just a thought. I like that idea a lot, mostly just because I like all ideas where rajaat dosent get the job done exactly the way he wants it in regards to punishing his champions. |
#44kalthandrixNov 07, 2005 8:35:42 | Ya- well I did not get the text written over the weekend. I am shootong for sometime this week and then I will move the stats and text over to my item and spell thread. Hey Nyt- if you have a particular ideas for Galdra send me an e-mail and I will get to work on that one too. One idea I had that came from the Tribe of One books is this- soemthing calls a retributive strike or something- the sword will have a defending enchantment, and when an opponent misses the wielder by the amount of defending bonus the wielder has applied to their AC, the attacker rolls damage normally and applys the damage to the weapon he used to strike with, with nonmetalic weapon ignoring their own hardness. The way I see it working is an opponent strikes and misses due to the defending bonus (Galdra deflects the attack), and the attacking weapon is shattered due to the enchantment on Galdra. It is a rough idea, but I think it is cool. |