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#1
Zardnaar
Nov 09, 2005 23:17:11 In the Tyr region there are several ruins of cities. Yaramuke,Bodach, Kalidnay, Giustenal. Where are the ruins of Arala,Ebe,Waverly,Yorum? I haven't read all the Darksun products but heres my theory.

Arala. I've seen a fan map with Arala on the other side of the Sea of Silt/Sunrise sea. Was this ever officially placed there?

Ebe. Could Ebe have been turned into Ur Draxa?

Waverly. Is this in any way related to the ruins on the island of Waverly.

Yorum. I have no idea.

Did TSR ever release much info on these places?
#2
Pennarin
Nov 10, 2005 0:08:54 Of the cities you listed, only Waverly is on the map, located at the point designated...Waverly.

The other cities I think have all been situated in fan maps: Afghan has located Ebe in his Silt Archipelago web project, and Brian has scattered the rest of the cities to the far corners of the world, if you look at all of his maps you will find them all.

As for Ebe being Ur Draxa, if you read Valley of Dust and Fire you'll see they hint at the valley as not being where any other urban center was situated before the Dragon took it over.
#3
zombiegleemax
Nov 10, 2005 1:53:12 The Tablelands seem kinda crowded for even more ruined city states. I think that the Annatan wastes might be a good location for some of these cities, or maybe even north or south of the tablelands.

I have also kicked around the idea that the tablelands weren't the epicenter of the Cleansing Wars. If fact, what if it was simply a fringe territory that didn't get wiped out because if its remoteness? Maybe the bulk of the Greenage civilization lay across the Silt Sea in the Annatan wastes or elsewhere...

itf
#4
Zardnaar
Nov 10, 2005 2:10:00 In the original boxed set it seemed the island was named Waverly with mysterious ruins. I wonder if the unnamed ruins near the vanishing lake would be one of the other cities. Any reason for the PCs to not have an outpost/camp on Waverly?
#5
Zardnaar
Nov 10, 2005 2:18:19
The Tablelands seem kinda crowded for even more ruined city states. I think that the Annatan wastes might be a good location for some of these cities, or maybe even north or south of the tablelands.

I have also kicked around the idea that the tablelands weren't the epicenter of the Cleansing Wars. If fact, what if it was simply a fringe territory that didn't get wiped out because if its remoteness? Maybe the bulk of the Greenage civilization lay across the Silt Sea in the Annatan wastes or elsewhere...

itf

Are the Annatan wastes homebrew or were in official DS products? The only map I've seen of the other side of the silt sea was a small corner in the VBalley of Dust and Fire map. VoDaF also hinted that the inhabitants of the mud flats near the vanishing lake traded with the other side of the Silt Sea. The Tyr regions seems to be literally the cradle of civilisation on Athas.
#6
zombiegleemax
Nov 10, 2005 3:30:28 The comunity here on the boards has made maps for the rest of the world.

looking for the thread
#7
Zardnaar
Nov 10, 2005 4:05:53
The comunity here on the boards has made maps for the rest of the world.

looking for the thread

I've looked at Brians maps While cool they're not really official and some of them are a bit to green. Always though of Athas as a bit like Mars but warmer.
#8
master_ivan
Nov 10, 2005 5:02:06 Arala and Ebe were swallowed by the silt sea, says in the official timeline...they could have been on a big island somewhere in the middle of the ocean...hence beeing swallowed by the sea of silt.

160th King's Age (-2,310)

-Wind's Fury
The great cities of Ebe, Waverly, and Arala are swallowed by the expanding Silt Sea, though later it recedes from Waverly. The nearby city of Bodach is spared, but becomes surrounded by silt.
#9
zombiegleemax
Nov 10, 2005 8:54:33 who is brian and where are his maps?
#10
kalthandrix
Nov 10, 2005 9:55:23
who is brian and where are his maps?

Brian is a bit new to the board- but he is a great artist and he has done some beautful maps HERE

He is also working on a sweet picture for the spellform construction needed for the epic spell I made called Door of Time. He sent me a rough a while back and it was great- I will post the final one when he sends it to me. :D
#11
zombiegleemax
Nov 10, 2005 9:55:35 The "Dark Sun Rising" website is filled with maps. Go to Athas.org and find the site under "Best Dark Sun Links."

itf
#12
master_ivan
Nov 14, 2005 9:40:22
I've looked at Brians maps While cool they're not really official and some of them are a bit to green. Always though of Athas as a bit like Mars but warmer.

Yeah, and way too much water....
#13
zombiegleemax
Nov 14, 2005 10:41:53 aaah, i didn't realize that Arala was overcome with silt. i'll have to change some stuff around a bit. as to the water levels, and levels of green on athas, according to my calculations even WITH all the water on the maps i created Athas is only .025% water on it's surface as opposed to earth which has 70%! that's not much water at all on a global scale. thus any place with water will be more verdent and have more plants and trees. i defined the areas of water from the planetary map as well as the map from the Distant Paths site (which i've seen used quite frequently). that's not saying people can't cut down the amount of water more, but realistically a planet with only .025% water would have an incredibly difficult time supporting any life above algae and rudimentary colonial organisms; but i do realize that this is a fantasy world and real-world laws don't necessarily apply. :P
#14
Pennarin
Nov 14, 2005 13:12:29
aaah, i didn't realize that Arala was overcome with silt. i'll have to change some stuff around a bit. as to the water levels, and levels of green on athas, according to my calculations even WITH all the water on the maps i created Athas is only .025% water on it's surface as opposed to earth which has 70%! that's not much water at all on a global scale. thus any place with water will be more verdent and have more plants and trees. i defined the areas of water from the planetary map as well as the map from the Distant Paths site (which i've seen used quite frequently). that's not saying people can't cut down the amount of water more, but realistically a planet with only .025% water would have an incredibly difficult time supporting any life above algae and rudimentary colonial organisms; but i do realize that this is a fantasy world and real-world laws don't necessarily apply. :P

I don't have problem with the bodies of water found in those maps, if my opinion can help you.

Dho, I forgot the whole deal about being swallowed by the silt...yeah, you really need to make Arala look like Tarelon, or litteraly make it a blip of a ruin in the middle of the sea.
#15
master_ivan
Nov 14, 2005 18:40:06 Yeah, maybe you're right. The water is good, I looked through your maps again and it's not that bad to have this much water....because there is no way the CWs and the druid Jihad could have defiled all the plant life and water supplies on the whole planet....

but there is one thing I must have your opinion on, and that's where Ebe was....in my campaign, which starts in the green age, I put it in the fjord where the silt lies between Ket and Fort Ral (I hope that sentence made sense to you guys :D ).....because (in my campaign) Ebe is at war with Raam, because the biggest preserver stronghold is in Raam. And the warlord Irikos is general in the Raamin army and Borys in the army of Ebe. Although Irikos becomes Rajaat's left hand, I find it because he was so intelligent the far best warlord in the tablelands. That's why Rajaat took him in, Irikos just loved being at war and was almost unbeatable with his incredible war-strategies and plots....(still hoping all this makes sense to you guys :P )But the situation is pretty calm when my campaign starts, there haven't been any attacks on Raam or Ebe for a few weeks now, and it seems that the army from Ebe is withdrawing a big part of their army for some unexplained reasons.... ;)
#16
Pennarin
Nov 15, 2005 0:36:20
but there is one thing I must have your opinion on, and that's where Ebe was

Take a ganther from Afghan's Silt Archipelago web project, it has a map with the location of Ebe.
#17
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
Nov 15, 2005 8:31:34
The "Dark Sun Rising" website is filled with maps. Go to Athas.org and find the site under "Best Dark Sun Links."

itf

The "Dark Sun Rising" website is going to be shut down soon, as cyrus9a, the site's owner/operater died in a car crash rather recently. His brother had come onto these forums to let us know, and he will be sorely missed. However, I believe there is a move to get the maps he had there and make them available elsewhere. I have his maps on my site, in the gallery section as well.
#18
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
Nov 15, 2005 8:38:53
I've looked at Brians maps While cool they're not really official and some of them are a bit to green. Always though of Athas as a bit like Mars but warmer.

Well, the maps that Brian has made were based on a "world view" of Athas that I forget where it's origins are from, but has been around for a very, very long time. He's done a lot of the more green areas, but they are in the minority compared to the rest of the world. Some areas already were explained to have some green to them -- the Crimson Savannah, for instance, is a greenish area, and according to information garnered from the Wanderer's Chronicle, and from Thri-Kreen of Athas, it extends to an area that is larger than the known tablelands, and is teeming with Kreen. A lot of Brian's maps show locations on the periphery of the Tohr-Kreen empire, and would tend to have some green to them.

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#1 Zardnaar Nov 09, 2005 23:17:11	In the Tyr region there are several ruins of cities. Yaramuke,Bodach, Kalidnay, Giustenal. Where are the ruins of Arala,Ebe,Waverly,Yorum? I haven't read all the Darksun products but heres my theory. Arala. I've seen a fan map with Arala on the other side of the Sea of Silt/Sunrise sea. Was this ever officially placed there? Ebe. Could Ebe have been turned into Ur Draxa? Waverly. Is this in any way related to the ruins on the island of Waverly. Yorum. I have no idea. Did TSR ever release much info on these places?
#2 Pennarin Nov 10, 2005 0:08:54	Of the cities you listed, only Waverly is on the map, located at the point designated...Waverly. The other cities I think have all been situated in fan maps: Afghan has located Ebe in his Silt Archipelago web project, and Brian has scattered the rest of the cities to the far corners of the world, if you look at all of his maps you will find them all. As for Ebe being Ur Draxa, if you read Valley of Dust and Fire you'll see they hint at the valley as not being where any other urban center was situated before the Dragon took it over.
#3 zombiegleemax Nov 10, 2005 1:53:12	The Tablelands seem kinda crowded for even more ruined city states. I think that the Annatan wastes might be a good location for some of these cities, or maybe even north or south of the tablelands. I have also kicked around the idea that the tablelands weren't the epicenter of the Cleansing Wars. If fact, what if it was simply a fringe territory that didn't get wiped out because if its remoteness? Maybe the bulk of the Greenage civilization lay across the Silt Sea in the Annatan wastes or elsewhere... itf
#4 Zardnaar Nov 10, 2005 2:10:00	In the original boxed set it seemed the island was named Waverly with mysterious ruins. I wonder if the unnamed ruins near the vanishing lake would be one of the other cities. Any reason for the PCs to not have an outpost/camp on Waverly?
#5 Zardnaar Nov 10, 2005 2:18:19	The Tablelands seem kinda crowded for even more ruined city states. I think that the Annatan wastes might be a good location for some of these cities, or maybe even north or south of the tablelands. I have also kicked around the idea that the tablelands weren't the epicenter of the Cleansing Wars. If fact, what if it was simply a fringe territory that didn't get wiped out because if its remoteness? Maybe the bulk of the Greenage civilization lay across the Silt Sea in the Annatan wastes or elsewhere... itf Are the Annatan wastes homebrew or were in official DS products? The only map I've seen of the other side of the silt sea was a small corner in the VBalley of Dust and Fire map. VoDaF also hinted that the inhabitants of the mud flats near the vanishing lake traded with the other side of the Silt Sea. The Tyr regions seems to be literally the cradle of civilisation on Athas.
#6 zombiegleemax Nov 10, 2005 3:30:28	The comunity here on the boards has made maps for the rest of the world. looking for the thread
#7 Zardnaar Nov 10, 2005 4:05:53	The comunity here on the boards has made maps for the rest of the world. looking for the thread I've looked at Brians maps While cool they're not really official and some of them are a bit to green. Always though of Athas as a bit like Mars but warmer.
#8 master_ivan Nov 10, 2005 5:02:06	Arala and Ebe were swallowed by the silt sea, says in the official timeline...they could have been on a big island somewhere in the middle of the ocean...hence beeing swallowed by the sea of silt. 160th King's Age (-2,310) -Wind's Fury The great cities of Ebe, Waverly, and Arala are swallowed by the expanding Silt Sea, though later it recedes from Waverly. The nearby city of Bodach is spared, but becomes surrounded by silt.
#9 zombiegleemax Nov 10, 2005 8:54:33	who is brian and where are his maps?
#10 kalthandrix Nov 10, 2005 9:55:23	who is brian and where are his maps? Brian is a bit new to the board- but he is a great artist and he has done some beautful maps HERE He is also working on a sweet picture for the spellform construction needed for the epic spell I made called Door of Time. He sent me a rough a while back and it was great- I will post the final one when he sends it to me. :D
#11 zombiegleemax Nov 10, 2005 9:55:35	The "Dark Sun Rising" website is filled with maps. Go to Athas.org and find the site under "Best Dark Sun Links." itf
#12 master_ivan Nov 14, 2005 9:40:22	I've looked at Brians maps While cool they're not really official and some of them are a bit to green. Always though of Athas as a bit like Mars but warmer. Yeah, and way too much water....
#13 zombiegleemax Nov 14, 2005 10:41:53	aaah, i didn't realize that Arala was overcome with silt. i'll have to change some stuff around a bit. as to the water levels, and levels of green on athas, according to my calculations even WITH all the water on the maps i created Athas is only .025% water on it's surface as opposed to earth which has 70%! that's not much water at all on a global scale. thus any place with water will be more verdent and have more plants and trees. i defined the areas of water from the planetary map as well as the map from the Distant Paths site (which i've seen used quite frequently). that's not saying people can't cut down the amount of water more, but realistically a planet with only .025% water would have an incredibly difficult time supporting any life above algae and rudimentary colonial organisms; but i do realize that this is a fantasy world and real-world laws don't necessarily apply. :P
#14 Pennarin Nov 14, 2005 13:12:29	aaah, i didn't realize that Arala was overcome with silt. i'll have to change some stuff around a bit. as to the water levels, and levels of green on athas, according to my calculations even WITH all the water on the maps i created Athas is only .025% water on it's surface as opposed to earth which has 70%! that's not much water at all on a global scale. thus any place with water will be more verdent and have more plants and trees. i defined the areas of water from the planetary map as well as the map from the Distant Paths site (which i've seen used quite frequently). that's not saying people can't cut down the amount of water more, but realistically a planet with only .025% water would have an incredibly difficult time supporting any life above algae and rudimentary colonial organisms; but i do realize that this is a fantasy world and real-world laws don't necessarily apply. :P I don't have problem with the bodies of water found in those maps, if my opinion can help you. Dho, I forgot the whole deal about being swallowed by the silt...yeah, you really need to make Arala look like Tarelon, or litteraly make it a blip of a ruin in the middle of the sea.
#15 master_ivan Nov 14, 2005 18:40:06	Yeah, maybe you're right. The water is good, I looked through your maps again and it's not that bad to have this much water....because there is no way the CWs and the druid Jihad could have defiled all the plant life and water supplies on the whole planet.... but there is one thing I must have your opinion on, and that's where Ebe was....in my campaign, which starts in the green age, I put it in the fjord where the silt lies between Ket and Fort Ral (I hope that sentence made sense to you guys :D ).....because (in my campaign) Ebe is at war with Raam, because the biggest preserver stronghold is in Raam. And the warlord Irikos is general in the Raamin army and Borys in the army of Ebe. Although Irikos becomes Rajaat's left hand, I find it because he was so intelligent the far best warlord in the tablelands. That's why Rajaat took him in, Irikos just loved being at war and was almost unbeatable with his incredible war-strategies and plots....(still hoping all this makes sense to you guys :P )But the situation is pretty calm when my campaign starts, there haven't been any attacks on Raam or Ebe for a few weeks now, and it seems that the army from Ebe is withdrawing a big part of their army for some unexplained reasons.... ;)
#16 Pennarin Nov 15, 2005 0:36:20	but there is one thing I must have your opinion on, and that's where Ebe was Take a ganther from Afghan's Silt Archipelago web project, it has a map with the location of Ebe.
#17 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Nov 15, 2005 8:31:34	The "Dark Sun Rising" website is filled with maps. Go to Athas.org and find the site under "Best Dark Sun Links." itf The "Dark Sun Rising" website is going to be shut down soon, as cyrus9a, the site's owner/operater died in a car crash rather recently. His brother had come onto these forums to let us know, and he will be sorely missed. However, I believe there is a move to get the maps he had there and make them available elsewhere. I have his maps on my site, in the gallery section as well.
#18 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Nov 15, 2005 8:38:53	I've looked at Brians maps While cool they're not really official and some of them are a bit to green. Always though of Athas as a bit like Mars but warmer. Well, the maps that Brian has made were based on a "world view" of Athas that I forget where it's origins are from, but has been around for a very, very long time. He's done a lot of the more green areas, but they are in the minority compared to the rest of the world. Some areas already were explained to have some green to them -- the Crimson Savannah, for instance, is a greenish area, and according to information garnered from the Wanderer's Chronicle, and from Thri-Kreen of Athas, it extends to an area that is larger than the known tablelands, and is teeming with Kreen. A lot of Brian's maps show locations on the periphery of the Tohr-Kreen empire, and would tend to have some green to them.