A friend of mine is a Dragonlance fan and he argues that Chaos is an infinitely powerful god. He then proceeds to tell me that Raistlin apparently defeats Chaos and takes his power?
He doesn't explain himself very well. He says that Chaos is the father of all and nothing. It's very confusing.
Anyway, I want to know what level, roughly, Raistlin would be, were he a DnD character, if that's possible to estimate.
If someone could also clear up what or who Chaos is exactly, that would be great. Thanks.
Raistlin tried to enter the Abyss, kill off Takhisis and claim her power. He kinda succeeded, then he didn't. (Legends Trilogy). As towards what level he'd be, scroll down the list of threads and you'll find the one where we've been arguing about that.
Oggie
Chaos is the uber-deity, father to Gilean, Paladine and Takhisis.
That's the High Father. Chaos is different. Chaos is the primordial stuff that existed before all else. Unless you think of Chaos as nonexistence, but it's the same basic idea. (It all depends on your concept of "existence".)
Raistlin will have official stats published in Legends of the Twins by Sovereign Press, which is supposed to come out this month (but I wouldn't hold my breath).
Raistlin never fought Chaos. All the gods put together were only barely able to defeat an aspect of Chaos.
And yes, it is confusing.
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If someone could also clear up what or who Chaos is exactly, that would be great. Thanks.
I don't think mortals where meant to know :D , but seriously ... Chaos is ... well a really powerful force in the Dragonlance world, it can be harnessed and sometimes controlled. That though, requires a great deal of sacrifice and power.
Ionthas
Ionthas was once the chief servant of the Highgod, and the most powerful amongst the gods. However his pride made him haughty towards the other gods and they worked against him as he sought to dominate Krynn. He was beaten by the combined efforts of the gods and forsook them and even his name. He chose the name of Chaos and slowly fell into insanity as he was cast beyond creation by the Highgod. Part of his essence was later captured by Reorx in the Greygem, and Chaos himself soon found himself imprisoned within the gem for a long time. During the Summer of Chaos, he was freed inadvertantly by the Irda, and rampaged with his newly formed armies across the face of Krynn. On the verge of total dominance he was beaten by the combined efforts of the gods and of mortals. Ionthas was banished from the world for the rest of time.
His other names include: The Father of All & Nothing, Chaos.
Cheers,
Cam
Holy Orders of the Stars redefines Chaos and removes the Ionthas/fallen god references introduced in the Appendix to Dragons of a Vanished Moon.
What is Chaos according to Holy Orders of the Stars? I'm familiar, and only very vaguely, with the information in the Appendix to Dragons of a Vanished Moon. What differences are there between the two representations of Chaos?
What is Chaos according to Holy Orders of the Stars? I'm familiar, and only very vaguely, with the information in the Appendix to Dragons of a Vanished Moon. What differences are there between the two representations of Chaos?
Chaos in the Appendix is a god of an order one step above the others, a somewhat Miltonian Lucifer-like figure - once the most beautiful and powerful of the gods, but cast out and fallen, to be replaced by Takhisis. Compare this also to Morgoth/Melkur in Tolkien's Silmarillion.
Chaos in Holy Orders of the Stars is the equal of the High God, the formless vastness from which all things were created. An aspect of this cosmic principle was trapped within the Graygem, but Chaos itself is far too unfathomable and beyond the ken of mortals to be fully contained. If left to its own devices, the universe would eventually break down and become reunited with Chaos, especially if the High God's order were not laid down upon it by the gods and by mortals who drive the world forward.
Cheers,
Cam
The problem now is, if the appendix isn't the truth, then that makes Paladine a liar... Unless we just pretend that the DoaVM appendix never existed...
The problem now is, if the appendix isn't the truth, then that makes Paladine a liar... Unless we just pretend that the DoaVM appendix never existed...
What Paladine told us was true...from a certain point of view. You'll find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.
;)
What Paladine told us was true...from a certain point of view. You'll find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.
;)
Pure Quantum physics, baby. You're talking pure Tao.
Pure Quantum physics, baby. You're talking pure Tao.
No, he's talking pure Obi-Wan.
Cheers,
Cam
Pure Quantum physics, baby. You're talking pure Tao.
Although you're right...I unfortunately can't claim such wisdom. Cam's right...it was pretty much word for word from Obi-Wan. :D
Although you're right...I unfortunately can't claim such wisdom. Cam's right...it was pretty much word for word from Obi-Wan. :D
the Dao/Tao statement still holds true though ... Jedi are pretty philosphical like that