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#1 zombiegleemax Nov 19, 2005 3:01:16	I remember there being a blurb in a recentish dragon or dungeon magazine article mentioning the ring of korgunard. something about one of his students or friends, an elf maybe, had the ring, and one of the pwoers of the ring was to cast the avangion metamorph spell. anyone know what im talking about or know which magazine and number this was in?
#2 zombiegleemax Nov 19, 2005 4:14:07	Nevermind, I found it. Dragon 284, pp 66-67
#3 dregonflyus Nov 19, 2005 8:06:40	Nevermind, I found it. Dragon 284, pp 66-67 So what about the ring! In my campaign (the psionitrix) after pakk eat the avangion, the pc's found the ring on pakks finger and discovered it to be a powerful ring of spell turning.
#4 kalthandrix Nov 19, 2005 9:49:15	With the way that epic spells work now- it is improbable in a 3.5 that the ring contains the avangion metamorphasis spell but to the fact the no item can contain an epic spell per the ELH rules on it- but I could see said ring having Korgunards ring containing his memories of the process which would make crafting the spell easier or at least containing the spell seeds needed for the spell. Just some thoughts o the matter.
#5 Ramar_Aulinvox Nov 19, 2005 13:23:25	With the way that epic spells work now- it is improbable in a 3.5 that the ring contains the avangion metamorphasis spell but to the fact the no item can contain an epic spell per the ELH rules on it- but I could see said ring having Korgunards ring containing his memories of the process which would make crafting the spell easier or at least containing the spell seeds needed for the spell. Just some thoughts o the matter. Actually, major artifacts can contain epic spells. ELHB p. 73. I don't think that Korgunard could have created a major artifact; however, given the cercumstances in which he died, there is the possibility that an aspect of his psyche remained within the ring. This could, as Kalthandrix suggested, help in the process of developing the spells or give enough information to track down other avangions, spirits of the land, and elemental advanced beings who could help in the process. Alternatively, if the ring holds a piece of Korgunard's psyche, one could look at it as a major actifact that allowed a person with the proper prerequisites to cast the first metamorphis spell in a specific place (probably the spirit of the land's valley north of Tyr). After which, the ring would desolve as Korgunard gives up the last remnants of his psyche to help another become a guardian of nature, aka an avagion.
#6 Pennarin Nov 19, 2005 15:01:44	I made a write-up for the item in question. If its accepted, or after suggested changes are implemented, it would appear in the major artifacts section of the equipment guide. A line is already present in the write-up, mentionning that it was Oronis who inscribed the avangion metamorphosis I spell in the artifact, the rest of the item being enchanted by Korgunard.
#7 Pennarin Nov 20, 2005 1:46:07	Please don't let me stop any of you from creating your own version of the artifact, or from proposing abilities for it, by all means go ahead.
#8 jon_oracle_of_athas Nov 20, 2005 2:59:46	Regarding containing an epic spell, the ring could be an alternate "tablet". That would allow an epic caster to learn Avangion Metamorphosis I without research costs.
#9 kalthandrix Nov 20, 2005 7:10:34	But would learing the spell via the ring 'tablet' destroy the ring? Personally I think that epic spells should be able to be contained in something- I was just playing the devil's advocate. A cool version of the ring could be something like this
#10 woobyluv Nov 21, 2005 0:52:40	But would learing the spell via the ring 'tablet' destroy the ring? Personally I think that epic spells should be able to be contained in something- I was just playing the devil's advocate. A cool version of the ring could be something like this As a Major Artifact this seems good, although I'd lower or remove the deflection bonus to AC and lower the Intelligence bonus to +6. I would also make a single use of the metamorphosis spell available. The ring would give a qualified owner a vision of a ceremony in a certain place at a certain time. Once the conditions of the vision are met, the owner becomes an Avangion and the ring is consumed as the material component. An alternate set of powers for the ring could include those of a Ring of Spell Turning, replacing a function for this one as was suggested by Dragonflyus (I would suggest replacing the spellbook option)
#11 Pennarin Nov 21, 2005 1:23:37	Here's my critique! Don't bite... :D Korgunard's item is described in a way that emplies all its abilities but one are minor (heck, it even uses the term minor). Only the epic spell tidbit makes it, by default, a major artifact. There's definitely no replacing the spellbook tidbit as the item actually has to match the description given for it in Dragon Magazine #284: - "artifact-like" spellbook (the meaning of "artifact-like" is a bit baffling) - minor array of magic and psionic abilities - ability to transform owner into an avangion as long as prerequisites are met
#12 squidfur- Nov 22, 2005 0:06:21	it seems to me that the ring would most certainly not be consumed in the process of the avangion metamorphosis. think about it. Korgunard obviously has it for a reason, and if it's only for the beginning stages of the metamorphosis, it's likely he already used it (otherwise why have it?). it didn't disappear did it? indeed no. :P
#13 Pennarin Nov 22, 2005 1:56:55	Seems to me an artifact like Korgunard's ring that would be reusable would be more interesting as a plot device than a one shot item, I agree with squidfur-.