Ansalon is the default one which everyone know.
I want to know more about the others like Taladas and any other that might exist.
A old map found in the www. But ask ne not, where the over 4 or 10 little continents are.
Taladas
Adlatum
The tarmak (brutes) live on an island-continent, though I can't remember how to spell the name.
Can anyone me tell how large Taladas and Adlatum are? Where from Ansalon can i found Adlantum?
Adlatum is northwest of Ansalon, per the map pouch.
I don't have any specific measurements on-hand at the moment, but as I recall Taladas is significantly smaller than Ansalon itself.
Taladas is larger than Ansalon. A quick spot-check of post #2 above bears this out.
There's two other major continents:
Taladas
Adlatum
The tarmak (brutes) live on an island-continent, though I can't remember how to spell the name.
I thought there were supposed to be five continents.
Taladas is larger than Ansalon. A quick spot-check of post #2 above bears this out.
As I recall, that map is not to scale.
It was included in Richard Connery's working of 3e DL. In that particular PDF, it was noted especially that the map was not to a particular scale.
As I recall, that map is not to scale.
It was included in Richard Connery's working of 3e DL. In that particular PDF, it was noted especially that the map was not to a particular scale.
Well, it depends on which scale he was using. During SAGA the scale of Ansalon was increased three-fold. It has since be returned to its normal scale.
So, I think Taladas and Ansalon are fairly close to the same size.
The old DLA speak from 12 continents.
Doesn't DLA say there's room for 12 (is that the right number? I thought it was closer to 15) continents the size of Ansalon...effectively giving a surface area of Krynn (which makes it slightly larger than our moon...must have a lead core or something ;))
Well...there's Ansalon, Taladas, Icereach, and the island continent of the Tarmaks (also can't recall the name) are all official continents. Then there's a rumored continent to the east...a continent of dragons, large dragons, this was put forth in SAGA (and most likely the original idea for the origin of the Dragon Overlords). Then, for unofficial (although now that it's mentioned on an official product...does that make it official?) there's Adlatum.
Here's a word map of Ansalon. :D
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It's not perfect, but you get the idea.
Cheers,
Cam
Well...there's Ansalon, Taladas, Icereach, and the island continent of the Tarmaks (also can't recall the name) are all official continents.
Sorry - in my opinion i dont think so. Icereach a continent?! Never! In the WotL its a part of Ansalon. you can found ist at every maps from Ansalon. Ansalon is small enough, so dont remove Icereach from it.
Sorry - in my opinion i dont think so. Icereach a continent?! Never! In the WotL its a part of Ansalon. you can found ist at every maps from Ansalon. Ansalon is small enough, so dont remove Icereach from it.
I have heard (and I could be wrong on this) that Icereach used to be separate from Ansalon prior to the Cataclysm.
Besides, North and South America are attached, as are Europe, Asia, and Africa.
Besides, North and South America are attached, as are Europe, Asia, and Africa.
Amerika and the other continents was early owns and in along future they will be it again. Is Icereach only ice how a glacier or a iland with to many ice?! Can be the North- and Southpol are continents?
I have heard (and I could be wrong on this) that Icereach used to be separate from Ansalon prior to the Cataclysm.
Have you a source from a novelle or a rulebook? Must it really be a continent? Can it not be a normaly Isle?
As I recall, that map is not to scale.
It was included in Richard Connery's working of 3e DL. In that particular PDF, it was noted especially that the map was not to a particular scale.
Disregarding the above image, if you measure the respective continents using the scale of miles given for the map of Ansalon from Tasslehoff's Map Pouch and the scale of miles given for the map of Taladas from Time of the Dragon you will find that Ansalon is roughly 1300 miles at its widest point and Taladas is over 1500 miles at its widest point. Given the gaping hole in the roughly oval-shaped continent of Ansalon known as the Blood Sea of Istar (and the lack of such a hole for Taladas), Taladas is larger than Ansalon.
I have heard (and I could be wrong on this) that Icereach used to be separate from Ansalon prior to the Cataclysm.
If you look at the Icewall trilogy of novels, in one of the books it shows a pre-cataclysm map of Icereach, and we are quite clearly shown a land (yes, a land made of dirt and rocks) that is several hundred miles south of Ansalon. However, we're only shown a very small part of this land (~150 miles square if I recall correctly), so Icereach "proper" could very well just be a large island, or an island continent, or even the tip of a true continent the size of Ansalon or larger.
Sorry - in my opinion i dont think so. Icereach a continent?! Never! In the WotL its a part of Ansalon. you can found ist at every maps from Ansalon. Ansalon is small enough, so dont remove Icereach from it.
You're confusing Icewall with Icereach.
Icereach is what I'm calling the South Pole (because a lot of people won't recognize "Chorane") It is still 500 miles from Icewall to the South Pole. Point is...the continent at the South Pole was separate from Ansalon prior to the Cataclysm. If Icewall Glacier were to receed from the continent there would be ocean again between Icereach and Ansalon. The Ansalonian coast would probably be shaped different than it was prior to the Cataclysm (as evidenced by the receeding shore line by Tarsis) but there would still be straits between the two mainlands.
I think they are definately separate continents.
Linsha has to travel all the way down the eastern coast of Ansalon to get back to the Plains of Dust after she escapes the place.
Maybe she just got blown off course. The area between Taladas and Ansalon has been mapped. With all the open space left on the planet...why did they choose northeast?
Ah well. Is it just an island and not a continent?
The Isle of the Brutes is called Ithin'Carthia, and it's north and east of Ansalon. Linsha has to travel all the way down the eastern coast of Ansalon to get back to the Plains of Dust after she escapes the place.
Cheers,
Cam
That's interesting, since the map pouch says Ithin'carthia is east of Ansalon.
Ah well. Is it just an island and not a continent?
The map in the 3rd novel shows Ithin'carthia is roughly 570 miles wide at its widest point. This is roughly equivalent to the distance from Caergoth to Flotsam. The term island-continent seems to be the easiest way to describe the tarmak homeland.
Before the Cataclysm, Icereach was seperated form Ansalon by a sea. Tarsis was a major city port.
"In summary, Krynn is huge. Ansalon covers 1 300 miles (2 100 km)east to west and 900 miles (1 450 km) north to south- less than 1/30 of the surface of Krynn. Ansalon provides enough adventure for several lifetimes. Beyond lie even richer lands-the continents of your imagination."
"In summary, Krynn is huge. Ansalon covers 1 300 miles (2 100 km)east to west and 900 miles (1 450 km) north to south- less than 1/30 of the surface of Krynn. Ansalon provides enough adventure for several lifetimes. Beyond lie even richer lands-the continents of your imagination."
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Where exactly is this quotation to be found?
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"In summary, Krynn is huge. Ansalon covers 1 300 miles (2 100 km)east to west and 900 miles (1 450 km) north to south- less than 1/30 of the surface of Krynn. Ansalon provides enough adventure for several lifetimes. Beyond lie even richer lands-the continents of your imagination."
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Where exactly is this quotation to be found?
page 54 of the World Book of Ansalon from the Tales of the Lance boxed set for 2nd edition D&D.
Originally Posted by cnposner
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"In summary, Krynn is huge. Ansalon covers 1 300 miles (2 100 km)east to west and 900 miles (1 450 km) north to south- less than 1/30 of the surface of Krynn. Ansalon provides enough adventure for several lifetimes. Beyond lie even richer lands-the continents of your imagination."
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Where exactly is this quotation to be found?page 54 of the World Book of Ansalon from the Tales of the Lance boxed set for 2nd edition D&D.
In the DLCs is 1300 Miles from east to west and fewer then 1000 miles from arctic south to tropical north. Is nearly the same. But the DLCs is a newer source. Ansalon has 3.045.000, 00 km2 or 1.170.000, 00 mi.
When Ansalon was a country in our world ist was on rank 8 from 194/ 195. The other best ranks are (1) Russland (2) Kanada (3) USA (4) China (5) Brasilien (6) Australien (7) Indien.
If its rank list of the continents of the earth would give, would there lastly be Ansalon. Down under has 7,686,850. 00 km2.
Okay ansalon is larger, than I believed. But for this range too few cities on this continent and the people are sometimes much too fast there from a place on the other place. The same is with problems: If into Abanasinia/ Solace a window goes broken, the Minotauren into the blood sea must count on it, that the owner on the next day with them before the door stands and asks whether it somewhat thereby to do have. But we do know its not a a trick, its fantasy. :D
First, we need to decide what numbers to use for Krynn. We have two possibilities. The first is that the total surface area of Krynn is roughly 30 times larger than the land area of Ansalon. Being exceptionally conservative (ie., making Krynn as big as possible) we'll say the surface area of Ansalon is 1,000 miles by 1,300 miles (even though it's not square, we'll use it that way).
The second measurement we have is the circumfrance of Krynn. We know that from the northern most point of Ansalon to the South Pole is 1,500 miles. Using other maps, one can conservatively estimate (again, "conservative" is trying to make the largest Krynn possible) that it is another 800 miles to the equator (I don't remember where I got that number originally). So, roughly, the circumfrance of Krynn is 9,200 miles. (you'll see that these two methods come up with relatively the same numbers)
Using these numbers, here's what we come up with:
Earth:
Diameter = 7,920 miles
Surface Area = 197,100,000 square-miles
Moon:
Diameter = 2,159 miles
Surface Area = 14,660,000 square-miles (7.438% of the surface area of Earth)
Krynn: 1/30 Area:
Diameter = 3,524 miles
Surface Area = 39,000,000 square-miles (19.79% of the surface area of Earth)
Krynn: 9,200 mile circumfrance:
Diameter = 2,928 miles
Surface Area = 26,930,000 square-miles (13.66% of the surface area of Earth)
So, I think we can safely estimate that Krynn has only somewhere around 16% of the area on its surface that Earth does...making it a very crowded little planet. And by little, I mean, look at the diameter comparisons. Less than half that of Earth, and not much bigger than the Moon (it's hardly larger than Mercury).
So...what does that mean for Krynn's moons? Yeah, I'm not even going to try to tackle that one.
God I wish Krynn was more of an earth-sized planet. now this is a retcon I wished happened. where are the sources for the distance to the equator and the distance to the south pole? I seem to recall OtherLands stating the 1500 mile distance to the south pole. I want to look at my maps for ice reach, and maybe make a better guestimation on that distance (not like that will change much of the calculations).
Weldon
So, Do you think that we can get SP/WotC to make a new Dragonlance Atlas that tries to make Krynn remotely Earth-Sized? Is that a retcon that people would dislike or enjoy?
you know...... now that I think about it. if Krynn's orbital period as Earth's, and Krynn's sun is roughly the same mass as Earth's sun, wouldn't mean that krynn's mass would have to be the same mass as the earth?
Brim, got any ideas what material has the same density as Earth's mass but at Krynn's most conservative volume?
Weldon
Krynn's moons might be over-glorified asteroids.
That's if they're really physically present and not, for example, big lamps in the sky that move around the world. Do you think the stars are really thousands and thousands of light years out in Krynn's space, twinkling away? Likely not. I think the normal run-of-the-mill astrophysics of our world starts to become rapidly ignored.
Cheers,
Cam
That's if they're really physically present and not, for example, big lamps in the sky that move around the world. Do you think the stars are really thousands and thousands of light years out in Krynn's space, twinkling away? Likely not. I think the normal run-of-the-mill astrophysics of our world starts to become rapidly ignored.
It's just light coming through the crystal sphere from the plane of radiance anyway. ;)
where are the sources for the distance to the equator and the distance to the south pole? I seem to recall OtherLands stating the 1500 mile distance to the south pole. I want to look at my maps for ice reach, and maybe make a better guestimation on that distance (not like that will change much of the calculations).
The "500 miles" comes from the TotL map which says Chorane is 500 miles south of Icewall. But Otherlands says "nearly a thousand miles."
But, if we go with the 1,000 miles of Otherlands then we'd have to use their global map, too. That map puts the equator a mere 50 miles north of the northern tip of Nordmaar. But...some quick calculations....
Diameter = 2,610 miles
So...using Otherlands acutally makes it smaller. I must admit though, I can't remember where the "800 miles" to the equator came from that I used last time.
Anyway you slice it, though, Krynn is small. The maps (global and local) make it out to be quite small. Even DLA and TotL intended it to be small with their "1/30 of the surface of Krynn."
As far as gravity went...that would take some thinking. If you wanted to make it pound-for-pound, newton-for-newton...the core of the planet would obviously have to be something more dense than our own planet's iron core. Lead has an atomic mass a little over three times that of iron, but I'm not sure that's enough. If you want anything more dense than that you have to go into the radioactive metals. And no, Mercury only has a little over a third of the gravity on Earth...just so you don't think I'm a complete dork (too late!) I did have to look that up.
So, I think a little handwaving is necessary for gravitational force on Krynn. Besides, haven't you heard, gravity doesn't really exist. :D
As I understand it, gravity is more a matter of density than overall mass.
Not really. The main factor for gravitational force is mass, not density. But then that force is determined by how far away from the center of mass you are. So, gravitational force at the surface can be said to be determined by density...sort of.
Incidently, the force at the surface at the Earth is equal to the force at 430 miles from the center of the Moon.
It's one of those things where you just turn off the 'modern' part of your brain and go with it.
Oggie
Not really. The main factor for gravitational force is mass, not density. But then that force is determined by how far away from the center of mass you are. So, gravitational force at the surface can be said to be determined by density...sort of.
Incidently, the force at the surface at the Earth is equal to the force at 430 miles from the center of the Moon.
That sounds right. I'm not sure how it all works; not my area of expertise
. Just something I read somewhere and thought it was neat, even if I didn't understand the physics behind it.How has Rerox make the gravity at Krynn? Is there in Krynns Core many magnetic stons? :D
Don't be silly. Every knows that the reason Krynn is so small, but yet has earth-like gravity is because Reorx left one of his anvils in the center of Krynn and it's SO heavy that it draws people to it sticking them to the surface of the continents which happen to be floating on the water that surrounds the fire and heat coming off of the anvil so we don't all get burned alive.
Geez, didn't anyone here take Gnomish Geology 101?
How do you expect to explain gravity on a world with magic, multiple sentient species with no genetic links and when the rest of the laws of physics are on a permanent lunch break?
Because I don't think the laws of physics are on a permanent lunch break. I've never understood why so many people think that science and mysticism can't co-exist homogenously. I really think both can exist and be the truth and not contradict each other. I don't understand the huge debate between real world science and religion either, the two don't have to be mutually exclusive.
Anyway, point is I like finding scientific explanations for things in Dragonlance. It's fun.
Geez, didn't anyone here take Gnomish Geology 101?
Sorry i cant go to Gnomish Geologie 101. At first my main subject is Gravity and the second point is that the gnomish gravity guild give me the order to checking why the gravity not round the turn to work at Dragons and Birds. After this i must testing why gravity work so strong at Mountain Dwarfs. Then the gravity drag the dwarfs from krynns face in the underground. We think it can be the beer or the mud?! But the Hill Dwarfs gives us up a riddle. Its very important why the catapult guild need the information for better gnometransport. But i hope to make in the holidays a distance learning gnomish Geology 50/ 5 for Novice. :D
Excuse me how was the real name (with the many many words) of the gnomish geoloy guild? I have forgit it.
Because I don't think the laws of physics are on a permanent lunch break. I've never understood why so many people think that science and mysticism can't co-exist homogenously. I really think both can exist and be the truth and not contradict each other. I don't understand the huge debate between real world science and religion either, the two don't have to be mutually exclusive.
Anyway, point is I like finding scientific explanations for things in Dragonlance. It's fun.
Well, when it comes down to it, real world science is about the here and now and the measurable. Religion is about the high order of existence outside of the here and now and the unmeasurable. because of this, they might come in conflict of each other. and Religion deals with faith, which not only delves into the existence of a god, but also your willingness to believe in that god despite all the evidence against that god. heck, I'd say faith is tested when you have science telling you the opposite. And let me tell you, the followers of Zeus are the most faithful I've ever seen. you give them the facts of the thunderbolt, and atmospheric conditions as well as the concept of electrons and voltage and they glare at you and say Zeus made it happen. :D So then, can the Zeus-people live with science?
Anyway, back to Krynn, If we keep the gravitational constant the same, there is a scientific problem with gravity, density and mass. With my calculations we need an earth-like gravity well, and three moons that are so far apart from each other or so minimal in mass that their own masses don't distort their almost clockwork orbits. It's my understanding that the moon is getting farther away from earth by inches per year. so it's orbit isn't constant. what is increasing it's rotational velocity? What then is keeping the three moons in constant motion? or are the moons orbits changing and we don't know?
Weldon
Weldon
Okay, I know I've done this before, but there's some folks in this conversation that haven't seen it before, so I'll provide the info again as I think it helps put the size of Ansalon/Krynn into perspective.
First, we need to decide what numbers to use for Krynn. We have two possibilities. The first is that the total surface area of Krynn is roughly 30 times larger than the land area of Ansalon. Being exceptionally conservative (ie., making Krynn as big as possible) we'll say the surface area of Ansalon is 1,000 miles by 1,300 miles (even though it's not square, we'll use it that way).
The second measurement we have is the circumfrance of Krynn. We know that from the northern most point of Ansalon to the South Pole is 1,500 miles. Using other maps, one can conservatively estimate (again, "conservative" is trying to make the largest Krynn possible) that it is another 800 miles to the equator (I don't remember where I got that number originally). So, roughly, the circumfrance of Krynn is 9,200 miles. (you'll see that these two methods come up with relatively the same numbers)
Using these numbers, here's what we come up with:
Earth:
Diameter = 7,920 miles
Surface Area = 197,100,000 square-miles
Moon:
Diameter = 2,159 miles
Surface Area = 14,660,000 square-miles (7.438% of the surface area of Earth)
Krynn: 1/30 Area:
Diameter = 3,524 miles
Surface Area = 39,000,000 square-miles (19.79% of the surface area of Earth)
Krynn: 9,200 mile circumfrance:
Diameter = 2,928 miles
Surface Area = 26,930,000 square-miles (13.66% of the surface area of Earth)
So, I think we can safely estimate that Krynn has only somewhere around 16% of the area on its surface that Earth does...making it a very crowded little planet. And by little, I mean, look at the diameter comparisons. Less than half that of Earth, and not much bigger than the Moon (it's hardly larger than Mercury).
So...what does that mean for Krynn's moons? Yeah, I'm not even going to try to tackle that one.
this guy is an expert...trust me.......Cabral
You can't really explain anything in fantasy by physics, biology or even chemistry. That's why gnomes are so fun-they're modern people trying to make sense of it all.
And yes Granakrs, the moon is drifting away from Earth, as it's velocity slightly exceeds the pull of gravity. The real question is whether it'll break in or out when it goes. If it heads in, it might hit Venus or Mercury, but it's more likely to get caught in the Solar gravity well. If it breaks out, well, it might hit something before it gets to the Oort cloud, but it's a mathematical improbability.
Oggie
this guy is an expert...trust me.......Cabral
Cabral! Welcome, my friend! "Expert?" Heh, thanks. LOL!
What can I say, I like astronomy...don't think I'd consider my self an expert though. Religion is about the high order of existence outside of the here and now and the unmeasurable. because of this, they might come in conflict of each other. and Religion deals with faith, which not only delves into the existence of a god, but also your willingness to believe in that god despite all the evidence against that god. heck, I'd say faith is tested when you have science telling you the opposite.
If you wanna chat about this off list sometime, I'd love to with ya. This could get out of hand pretty quick though (sensitivities and all that). In a nut shell, it seems like the opposite should be true to me. The more we learn, the closer we are to God.
Now, of course, if one believes in science, parts of the Bible can't be taken literally...but just because I don't take the Bible to be literal Truth doesn't mean I don't have faith in God.
What I'd like to believe (not saying that this is true, or maybe not even a valid theological thought) but I like the idea that God set up the Universe. He set up the rules, how things works, and maybe he even nudges things a little bit. But what God can't do is something that violates his own laws. God cannot contradict himself. If you've ever seen Dogma, you know where I'm going with this. To (loosely) quote Metatron, "Existence, in all its glory is base on one thing: God is infalliable." So...if that's true (which many, if not all, faiths believe this to be true) how can he contradict Himself? He can't, he's infallible...by the very definition of the word, it can't be done. So, from there it went to the above idea. I don't know, It's an interesting thought...and one that allows for both science and faith to both be the Truth. It helps me sleep at night, I guess. :D
Now, just because He may do something that may seem like magic, or I don't understand what just happened, doesn't mean there isn't a scientific explination for it. But my knowledge of the universe and how it works is far surpassed by His, so...just because I don't understand something doesn't make it supernatural (ie, something that goes against the laws of nature). I don't believe in the supernatural, I don't think it exists. I do believe in the natural occurances that I don't understand, though. Does that make sense?
Anyway, back to Krynn, If we keep the gravitational constant the same, there is a scientific problem with gravity, density and mass. With my calculations we need an earth-like gravity well, and three moons that are so far apart from each other or so minimal in mass that their own masses don't distort their almost clockwork orbits. It's my understanding that the moon is getting farther away from earth by inches per year. so it's orbit isn't constant. what is increasing it's rotational velocity? What then is keeping the three moons in constant motion? or are the moons orbits changing and we don't know?
Gravity is such an odd thing anyway...difficult to understand (at least for me). Then you throw things in there like "The Final Theory" which says that gravity doesn't truly exist, then you've really got some hurt brains. I barely understand the physics of a one moon system...a three moon system would take a lot of research. But, the moons are more like manifestations of the gods as opposed to actual celestial bodies, so there's no telling what is really going on there.
As for our own moon...yeah, it's getting further away. I think the increased tangential velocity has something to do with the Conservation of Energy...but I don't remember exactly how. At some point in the future, the Moon will be a long way out and both it and the Earth will be "captured." The same side of the Earth will always be facing the Moon just like now the same side of the Moon always faces the Earth. At that point, it will be completely synchronous and won't continue to move away from the earth. One rotation of the Earth will be equal to one rotation of the Moon which will also be equal to one revolution of the Moon.
What then is keeping the three moons in constant motion? or are the moons orbits changing and we don't know?
So...this same action should happen in a three moon system as well. There should eventually come some point when all four bodies are "locked" relative to each other. However...there could be some mathmatical or physical anomally with the sizes of, masses of, and distances between all four bodies that causes the process to slow down so much as to make it imperceptable. They certainly aren't going to notice it with the periods of the moon cycles. It's going to take a very long time for things to change noticably...I mean after all, Stonehenge still lines up, and it's been several thousand years already. (the only way we know for sure about this phenomenom on Earth is because we put a big reflector plate on the Moon during Apollo 17 that we shoot with a laser every once in a while to see how far the Moon has moved away...or at least we did for a while, not sure if that was a temporary experiment or one that is still going on).
So, the answer then is, they are probably changing, just imperceptably so.
The moons of Krynn are probably (in sci-fi terms) in engineered orbits that are mathematically perfect in relation to a constant orbit in terms of speed and placement; so basically everything works just hunky-dory for Ansalonians and all others.
Oggie
Just a quick note--the moon is already tidally locked, i.e. the same side is always facing earth.
That is correct. It doesn't take nearly as long for the smaller objects in the system to become locked. A lot of moons in our solar system are locked as well.
But that's a good point, I'd bet the moons of Krynn are probably tidally locked as well. There have been a few short stories about Ansalonian astronomers, but I don't remember if any of them were about the moons. But it's probably a safe assumption that they always see the same side of the moons like we do.
[Spoiler for those who haven't read it]
In Darkness and Light, on page 203. I quote: "The second great tapestry was a map of Krynn. It showed not only the continent of Anaslon as Kitiara knew it, but other land masses to the north (Taladas) and west (Adlatum)."
It was obvious because Kit knew a lot about Anasalon because she's traveled so much while working as a merc.
Incidently, the force at the surface at the Earth is equal to the force at 430 miles from the center of the Moon.
If the moon were a point mass. ;)