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White Plume Mountain 3.5

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#1
caeruleus
Nov 29, 2005 20:29:12 Remember the 3.5 update of Tomb of Horrors? Well, Andy Collins just said (in the Future Releases board, under "New Classics") that White Plume Mountain is next. Just thought some of you might like to know.

(He said he has no idea when we'll actually see it, though.)
#2
Amaril
Nov 29, 2005 23:09:51
Remember the 3.5 update of Tomb of Horrors? Well, Andy Collins just said (in the Future Releases board, under "New Classics") that White Plume Mountain is next. Just thought some of you might like to know.

(He said he has no idea when we'll actually see it, though.)

The map for it is already available.

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mw/20051129a
#3
caeruleus
Nov 30, 2005 10:14:52 Cool, I didn't realize that.
#4
ivid
Nov 30, 2005 10:56:42

Caeruleus, could you please post the exact link to the thread where you found this info?
#5
lincoln_hills
Nov 30, 2005 14:03:19 Also - is this the original Mountain, or the expanded complex revealed in Return to White Plume Mountain? Because - frankly - that's the one case where I feel the "Return to" module is far more entertaining than the original. Very epic feel to it... although it sometimes seems that only a character immune to disease can survive to the end.
#6
Mortepierre
Nov 30, 2005 16:43:27

Caeruleus, could you please post the exact link to the thread where you found this info?

http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=544107
#7
zombiegleemax
Nov 30, 2005 17:02:59 YAY! I think I'll use Enid as the Sphinx in the triple fork.
#8
cwslyclgh
Nov 30, 2005 17:30:07 since the map is identicle (content wise) to the original module and does not iclude any of the extra areas added for return to... I would guess that it is the original that gets the update (much like Tomb of Horrors). (assuming of course that the map that they have put on thier websight is the same that is used for the module Andy refers to).
#9
caeruleus
Nov 30, 2005 21:57:02

Caeruleus, could you please post the exact link to the thread where you found this info?

I would, but Mortepierre beat me to it. ;)
#10
ivid
Dec 01, 2005 1:51:42
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=544107

Thank you, Morte! And Caeruleus too, for the good intention! :D

This is really interesting!
#11
Mortepierre
Dec 07, 2005 6:01:55 Update: the revised adventure can now be downloaded (as well as some of the original pic it contained)

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ag/20051207a

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/oa/20051207a
#12
ivid
Dec 07, 2005 7:29:58 :D :D :D

Great! WPM had always been one the classics I wanted to own!

#13
caeruleus
Dec 07, 2005 19:22:07 Legacy weapons? So we have to have Weapons of Legacy to run this?

(I'm glad there are 3e stats in Arms and Equipment Guide to go by.)

Edit: I'm still glad they did this, I don't wanna seem like I complain about any little detail, but it's still something worth pointing out.
#14
ripvanwormer
Dec 07, 2005 21:45:36 I suppose they needed to justify the expense of converting the module somehow, and slipping an ad in it was as good as any. Their take on Blackrazor is really cool, I thought, though I admit I have no idea what a "least legacy" is, why it costs 40,000 gp to perform a ritual with the sword on the Negative Energy Plane, or why a PC would even think to do that (I suppose that's what Bardic Knowledge is for). It's a very interesting take on a Stormbringer-type weapon, though.
#15
zombiegleemax
Dec 08, 2005 4:41:55
I suppose they needed to justify the expense of converting the module somehow, and slipping an ad in it was as good as any. Their take on Blackrazor is really cool, I thought, though I admit I have no idea what a "least legacy" is, why it costs 40,000 gp to perform a ritual with the sword on the Negative Energy Plane, or why a PC would even think to do that (I suppose that's what Bardic Knowledge is for). It's a very interesting take on a Stormbringer-type weapon, though.

From my (very brief) skim of WoL, legacies are essentially powers that activate (or are activated by a ritual) as the user to whom the weapon of legacy is bonded grows in experience. At least that's my very high level understanding.

It's a neat idea, but hardly original - the GM in my home campaign has been using a form of this for the last 10 years (largely for the blade from which I take my moniker from).

P.
#16
Mortepierre
Dec 08, 2005 6:10:35 Not to mention Swords of our Fathers, Staves of Ascendance, and Artifacts of the Ages: Rings by Rich Redman (The Game Mechanics). When WoL came out after those accessories, I immediately thought "rip-off" (yes, I am aware ther is a basic difference between the two products but the principle is the same)
#17
nightdruid
Dec 08, 2005 6:29:15 Heck, its not all THAT different than the samuri blades from Oriental Adventures 3e (and possibly earlier; 3e OA was just the first time I saw them).
#18
cwslyclgh
Dec 08, 2005 14:03:43
Not to mention Swords of our Fathers, Staves of Ascendance, and Artifacts of the Ages: Rings by Rich Redman (The Game Mechanics). When WoL came out after those accessories, I immediately thought "rip-off" (yes, I am aware ther is a basic difference between the two products but the principle is the same)

One of the Dragons from not long after 3.0 came out had an article about "leveled weapons" which is the earliest 3e version of this basic premiss IIRC.

that article was adopted into the 3.5 Kensai class in CW nearly wholesale.
#19
sith_lord_v
Dec 09, 2005 8:47:35 Well, I have to chime in here and say I really like the adventure re-write, but am deeply, deeply disappointed in the 3 famous weapons. So, here is my rant -

First off, the use of Legacy Weapons, in my opinion, was a horrible choice. I don't like them to begin with, due to their massive penalties. These weapons were near-artifactual, now their just pathetic. Whelm's drawback of agoraphobia was REMOVED ! Yet Blackrazor's penalties were increased ! The Viscous Quality is terrible, and the fact that its Soul-Drinking ability doesn't stack, what the hell good is it ? I can get a better result with a Life Stealing weapon or the Death Knell Spell itself. They destroyed the true flavor of the weapon.

OK, Rant over. Return to your regularly scheduled Message boards.
#20
zombiegleemax
Dec 09, 2005 11:13:32 Yeah the versions in the Arms & Equipment guide are a lot better (Why not update those to 3.5?). But if nothing else this reaffirms my commitment to skipping the Weapons of Legacy book.

Despite this, the weapons are a small part of the module (especially if you use the hook that the players are simply returning them to the proper owners) and I appreciate the work put into the update and applaud the developers that otherwise put out an outstanding free product.
#21
Cennedi
Dec 10, 2005 8:26:01 I just ignore the WoL tie in and updated the originals

Also the concept of leveling artifact type weapons has been used in Dark age of Camelot for a few years now.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 caeruleus Nov 29, 2005 20:29:12	Remember the 3.5 update of Tomb of Horrors? Well, Andy Collins just said (in the Future Releases board, under "New Classics") that White Plume Mountain is next. Just thought some of you might like to know. (He said he has no idea when we'll actually see it, though.)
#2 Amaril Nov 29, 2005 23:09:51	Remember the 3.5 update of Tomb of Horrors? Well, Andy Collins just said (in the Future Releases board, under "New Classics") that White Plume Mountain is next. Just thought some of you might like to know. (He said he has no idea when we'll actually see it, though.) The map for it is already available. http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mw/20051129a
#3 caeruleus Nov 30, 2005 10:14:52	Cool, I didn't realize that.
#4 ivid Nov 30, 2005 10:56:42	Caeruleus, could you please post the exact link to the thread where you found this info?
#5 lincoln_hills Nov 30, 2005 14:03:19	Also - is this the original Mountain, or the expanded complex revealed in Return to White Plume Mountain? Because - frankly - that's the one case where I feel the "Return to" module is far more entertaining than the original. Very epic feel to it... although it sometimes seems that only a character immune to disease can survive to the end.
#6 Mortepierre Nov 30, 2005 16:43:27	Caeruleus, could you please post the exact link to the thread where you found this info? http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=544107
#7 zombiegleemax Nov 30, 2005 17:02:59	YAY! I think I'll use Enid as the Sphinx in the triple fork.
#8 cwslyclgh Nov 30, 2005 17:30:07	since the map is identicle (content wise) to the original module and does not iclude any of the extra areas added for return to... I would guess that it is the original that gets the update (much like Tomb of Horrors). (assuming of course that the map that they have put on thier websight is the same that is used for the module Andy refers to).
#9 caeruleus Nov 30, 2005 21:57:02	Caeruleus, could you please post the exact link to the thread where you found this info? I would, but Mortepierre beat me to it. ;)
#10 ivid Dec 01, 2005 1:51:42	http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=544107 Thank you, Morte! And Caeruleus too, for the good intention! :D This is really interesting!
#11 Mortepierre Dec 07, 2005 6:01:55	Update: the revised adventure can now be downloaded (as well as some of the original pic it contained) http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ag/20051207a http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/oa/20051207a
#12 ivid Dec 07, 2005 7:29:58	:D :D :D Great! WPM had always been one the classics I wanted to own!
#13 caeruleus Dec 07, 2005 19:22:07	Legacy weapons? So we have to have Weapons of Legacy to run this? (I'm glad there are 3e stats in Arms and Equipment Guide to go by.) Edit: I'm still glad they did this, I don't wanna seem like I complain about any little detail, but it's still something worth pointing out.
#14 ripvanwormer Dec 07, 2005 21:45:36	I suppose they needed to justify the expense of converting the module somehow, and slipping an ad in it was as good as any. Their take on Blackrazor is really cool, I thought, though I admit I have no idea what a "least legacy" is, why it costs 40,000 gp to perform a ritual with the sword on the Negative Energy Plane, or why a PC would even think to do that (I suppose that's what Bardic Knowledge is for). It's a very interesting take on a Stormbringer-type weapon, though.
#15 zombiegleemax Dec 08, 2005 4:41:55	I suppose they needed to justify the expense of converting the module somehow, and slipping an ad in it was as good as any. Their take on Blackrazor is really cool, I thought, though I admit I have no idea what a "least legacy" is, why it costs 40,000 gp to perform a ritual with the sword on the Negative Energy Plane, or why a PC would even think to do that (I suppose that's what Bardic Knowledge is for). It's a very interesting take on a Stormbringer-type weapon, though. From my (very brief) skim of WoL, legacies are essentially powers that activate (or are activated by a ritual) as the user to whom the weapon of legacy is bonded grows in experience. At least that's my very high level understanding. It's a neat idea, but hardly original - the GM in my home campaign has been using a form of this for the last 10 years (largely for the blade from which I take my moniker from). P.
#16 Mortepierre Dec 08, 2005 6:10:35	Not to mention Swords of our Fathers, Staves of Ascendance, and Artifacts of the Ages: Rings by Rich Redman (The Game Mechanics). When WoL came out after those accessories, I immediately thought "rip-off" (yes, I am aware ther is a basic difference between the two products but the principle is the same)
#17 nightdruid Dec 08, 2005 6:29:15	Heck, its not all THAT different than the samuri blades from Oriental Adventures 3e (and possibly earlier; 3e OA was just the first time I saw them).
#18 cwslyclgh Dec 08, 2005 14:03:43	Not to mention Swords of our Fathers, Staves of Ascendance, and Artifacts of the Ages: Rings by Rich Redman (The Game Mechanics). When WoL came out after those accessories, I immediately thought "rip-off" (yes, I am aware ther is a basic difference between the two products but the principle is the same) One of the Dragons from not long after 3.0 came out had an article about "leveled weapons" which is the earliest 3e version of this basic premiss IIRC. that article was adopted into the 3.5 Kensai class in CW nearly wholesale.
#19 sith_lord_v Dec 09, 2005 8:47:35	Well, I have to chime in here and say I really like the adventure re-write, but am deeply, deeply disappointed in the 3 famous weapons. So, here is my rant - First off, the use of Legacy Weapons, in my opinion, was a horrible choice. I don't like them to begin with, due to their massive penalties. These weapons were near-artifactual, now their just pathetic. Whelm's drawback of agoraphobia was REMOVED ! Yet Blackrazor's penalties were increased ! The Viscous Quality is terrible, and the fact that its Soul-Drinking ability doesn't stack, what the hell good is it ? I can get a better result with a Life Stealing weapon or the Death Knell Spell itself. They destroyed the true flavor of the weapon. OK, Rant over. Return to your regularly scheduled Message boards.
#20 zombiegleemax Dec 09, 2005 11:13:32	Yeah the versions in the Arms & Equipment guide are a lot better (Why not update those to 3.5?). But if nothing else this reaffirms my commitment to skipping the Weapons of Legacy book. Despite this, the weapons are a small part of the module (especially if you use the hook that the players are simply returning them to the proper owners) and I appreciate the work put into the update and applaud the developers that otherwise put out an outstanding free product.
#21 Cennedi Dec 10, 2005 8:26:01	I just ignore the WoL tie in and updated the originals Also the concept of leveling artifact type weapons has been used in Dark age of Camelot for a few years now.