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Petition for new Spelljammer material

Post/Author/DateTime Post
#1
savant_warlord13
Dec 13, 2005 17:24:39 WotC should make more spelljammer books, or at least a short web enhancement, about spelljammer in 3.5! Join me in my quest for justice!
#2
zombiegleemax
Dec 14, 2005 21:49:51 Perhaps I'm missing something; where's the petition at?

I'd be happy even with a single one-shot book that covered mechanics conversion. That would be all I need. Something like Ghostwalk. I'd settle for that.
#3
iplaydnd35
Dec 17, 2005 8:41:12 the few SJ fan sites that are still up and running have a lot of conversion type material
as far as WoTC doing more than what they have in the articles in Dungeon and in Dragon magazines, i wouldnt hold your breath....SJ is a niche topic that has a bunch of devoted fans but not enough to warrant the cost of making a hardcover or even a smaller softcover book
#4
elecwolf
Dec 17, 2005 17:14:10 Planescape was supposed to replace SJ.
Planescape isn't getting new material either.

I think I see a pattern.
#5
zombiegleemax
Dec 18, 2005 9:35:10 Folks, it would seem pessimism is dashing all of our hopes here! I'm optimisitic one day we'll see our beloved settings return in some fashion or other. WotC is clearly playing smart and I believe they'd support these settings if they clearly saw gold at the end of the rainbow. The current way in which they do buisness doesn't strike me as being too kind to that sort of risk taking. Also they have the spectre of TSR's market flood of the '90s rattling it's chains about the boardrooms to constantly remind them of how not to do this buisness.

I believe that a Spelljammer or Planescape hardcover would outsell such books like Magic of Incarnum or Weapons of Legacy. Just because I want this to happen doesn't mean I expect that it will. If any one old setting returns I'd place my bet on Ravenloft. White Wolf proved that it could sell, and moved a lot of titles under that banner. However, I wouldn't expect to see anything happen with this old stuff until they've released Complete Adept and other such vital titles.
#6
iplaydnd35
Dec 18, 2005 11:15:15 i never considered planescape as a SJ replacement
i thought that they were both having published material out at the same time

and i hope your joking about the complete adept
#7
zombiegleemax
Dec 19, 2005 20:34:45
i never considered planescape as a SJ replacement
i thought that they were both having published material out at the same time

and i hope your joking about the complete adept

HAHAHA! Yes, totally kidding about the Complete Adept. Although a Complete Commoner would be utterly hilarious. No, I was being sarcastic as it seems the product support is getting sort of samey to me and I rather have something that I truly want as opposed to something that I might use.

I only invoked Planescape because it's popular and has a sizable (bigger?) cult like SJ.

As a replacement for SJ, I would find Planescrape to be lacking. Planescape came out in that period of the '90s when Image comics were big and whole comicbook scene was imploding. I bring this up because Planescape reminds me of the badly written and drawn comics of the time, particularly the slang that was supposed to used. Neat setting though it is, I was more than happy to just straight-up adapt my 1st Ed Manual of the Planes for Planar adventures. Oddly, now that I'm thinking about it, I don't think I ever once had the Planes overlap in any Spelljammer game that I ever ran... Perhaps in background discussions but that's it. I consider them to be very appart from each other. In fact, the cosmology of Spelljammer is mind-blowing enough without getting into alot of planar stuff, but hey I'm an opened ended DM and take my players in any direction that they want to go
#8
Xorial
Dec 20, 2005 18:56:35 I wish a 3rd party would liscense the Spelljammer products &, if nothing else, publish a PDF on it. I would prefer somebody like The Game Mechanics or another PDF publisher that is made up of former WotC employees. Barring that, Green Ronin, Ronin Arts, maybe even Malhavoc Press. I wont be holding my breath. I personally think they are feeling the market out. They keep throwing in SJ references in other products, but I'm not sure I like the directions they are leaning with that. They seem to be breaking completly away from the previous edition. Not just from a mechanics standpoint, which I think may be necessary, but also the storyline as well. I didnt see them nuking all the older material for Greyhawk or the Forgotten Realms when the created 3e, so why do it with Spelljammer?
#9
trolloc
Dec 21, 2005 6:30:13 I see SJ more of an environment book than a setting book.
Make the Void a general book than a complete setting.

topics would include stuff like methods of space travel, the dangers of wildspace, the organizations and guilds, various spacefaring races, etc...
#10
zombiegleemax
Dec 23, 2005 13:38:47 I spoke to the manager at my FLGS and they said that complete Adept and Complete Commoner were going to be in the same Hardcover release.

but hey I'm an opened ended DM and take my players in any direction that they want to go

so can we get out of the desert, and go anywhere that has books and such? :D
#11
Xorial
Dec 23, 2005 20:45:55 You know, if they were to release a Spelljammer book of some sort, the ships would be statted like the ships in Stormwrack & the airships in Eberron. Those aiships follow the same format.

I use that as an example of the changes that will be in the setting, judging from the hints we've seen in other books.
#12
iplaydnd35
Dec 25, 2005 8:03:04 i think monte and his gang could do a good SJ book and maybe the guys at sword and sorcery if they are still running
i dont think that WoTC will be doing a book of any sort anytime soon..too many campaign worlds to make books for(alaTSR) and and too much material in the hands of others from out on the net,i know it all could be classed as open content but i dont see them going that way with it

get out of the dessert?
#13
theyeti1775
Dec 27, 2005 20:37:34 Heck give us one writer and let us have it as a PDF.

I would be happy with that, even though I would have to print it off. But I would purchase it.
And as far as the 'Greyspace', 'Realmspace', 'Krynnspace', etc. They would only have to redo mechanics, the fluff hasn't change that much.

But Pazio does offer everything on PDF for the old 2ed stuff.
:D

Yeti

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 savant_warlord13 Dec 13, 2005 17:24:39	WotC should make more spelljammer books, or at least a short web enhancement, about spelljammer in 3.5! Join me in my quest for justice!
#2 zombiegleemax Dec 14, 2005 21:49:51	Perhaps I'm missing something; where's the petition at? I'd be happy even with a single one-shot book that covered mechanics conversion. That would be all I need. Something like Ghostwalk. I'd settle for that.
#3 iplaydnd35 Dec 17, 2005 8:41:12	the few SJ fan sites that are still up and running have a lot of conversion type material as far as WoTC doing more than what they have in the articles in Dungeon and in Dragon magazines, i wouldnt hold your breath....SJ is a niche topic that has a bunch of devoted fans but not enough to warrant the cost of making a hardcover or even a smaller softcover book
#4 elecwolf Dec 17, 2005 17:14:10	Planescape was supposed to replace SJ. Planescape isn't getting new material either. I think I see a pattern.
#5 zombiegleemax Dec 18, 2005 9:35:10	Folks, it would seem pessimism is dashing all of our hopes here! I'm optimisitic one day we'll see our beloved settings return in some fashion or other. WotC is clearly playing smart and I believe they'd support these settings if they clearly saw gold at the end of the rainbow. The current way in which they do buisness doesn't strike me as being too kind to that sort of risk taking. Also they have the spectre of TSR's market flood of the '90s rattling it's chains about the boardrooms to constantly remind them of how not to do this buisness. I believe that a Spelljammer or Planescape hardcover would outsell such books like Magic of Incarnum or Weapons of Legacy. Just because I want this to happen doesn't mean I expect that it will. If any one old setting returns I'd place my bet on Ravenloft. White Wolf proved that it could sell, and moved a lot of titles under that banner. However, I wouldn't expect to see anything happen with this old stuff until they've released Complete Adept and other such vital titles.
#6 iplaydnd35 Dec 18, 2005 11:15:15	i never considered planescape as a SJ replacement i thought that they were both having published material out at the same time and i hope your joking about the complete adept
#7 zombiegleemax Dec 19, 2005 20:34:45	i never considered planescape as a SJ replacement i thought that they were both having published material out at the same time and i hope your joking about the complete adept HAHAHA! Yes, totally kidding about the Complete Adept. Although a Complete Commoner would be utterly hilarious. No, I was being sarcastic as it seems the product support is getting sort of samey to me and I rather have something that I truly want as opposed to something that I might use. I only invoked Planescape because it's popular and has a sizable (bigger?) cult like SJ. As a replacement for SJ, I would find Planescrape to be lacking. Planescape came out in that period of the '90s when Image comics were big and whole comicbook scene was imploding. I bring this up because Planescape reminds me of the badly written and drawn comics of the time, particularly the slang that was supposed to used. Neat setting though it is, I was more than happy to just straight-up adapt my 1st Ed Manual of the Planes for Planar adventures. Oddly, now that I'm thinking about it, I don't think I ever once had the Planes overlap in any Spelljammer game that I ever ran... Perhaps in background discussions but that's it. I consider them to be very appart from each other. In fact, the cosmology of Spelljammer is mind-blowing enough without getting into alot of planar stuff, but hey I'm an opened ended DM and take my players in any direction that they want to go
#8 Xorial Dec 20, 2005 18:56:35	I wish a 3rd party would liscense the Spelljammer products &, if nothing else, publish a PDF on it. I would prefer somebody like The Game Mechanics or another PDF publisher that is made up of former WotC employees. Barring that, Green Ronin, Ronin Arts, maybe even Malhavoc Press. I wont be holding my breath. I personally think they are feeling the market out. They keep throwing in SJ references in other products, but I'm not sure I like the directions they are leaning with that. They seem to be breaking completly away from the previous edition. Not just from a mechanics standpoint, which I think may be necessary, but also the storyline as well. I didnt see them nuking all the older material for Greyhawk or the Forgotten Realms when the created 3e, so why do it with Spelljammer?
#9 trolloc Dec 21, 2005 6:30:13	I see SJ more of an environment book than a setting book. Make the Void a general book than a complete setting. topics would include stuff like methods of space travel, the dangers of wildspace, the organizations and guilds, various spacefaring races, etc...
#10 zombiegleemax Dec 23, 2005 13:38:47	I spoke to the manager at my FLGS and they said that complete Adept and Complete Commoner were going to be in the same Hardcover release. but hey I'm an opened ended DM and take my players in any direction that they want to go so can we get out of the desert, and go anywhere that has books and such? :D
#11 Xorial Dec 23, 2005 20:45:55	You know, if they were to release a Spelljammer book of some sort, the ships would be statted like the ships in Stormwrack & the airships in Eberron. Those aiships follow the same format. I use that as an example of the changes that will be in the setting, judging from the hints we've seen in other books.
#12 iplaydnd35 Dec 25, 2005 8:03:04	i think monte and his gang could do a good SJ book and maybe the guys at sword and sorcery if they are still running i dont think that WoTC will be doing a book of any sort anytime soon..too many campaign worlds to make books for(alaTSR) and and too much material in the hands of others from out on the net,i know it all could be classed as open content but i dont see them going that way with it get out of the dessert?
#13 theyeti1775 Dec 27, 2005 20:37:34	Heck give us one writer and let us have it as a PDF. I would be happy with that, even though I would have to print it off. But I would purchase it. And as far as the 'Greyspace', 'Realmspace', 'Krynnspace', etc. They would only have to redo mechanics, the fluff hasn't change that much. But Pazio does offer everything on PDF for the old 2ed stuff. :D Yeti