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#1
zombiegleemax
Dec 21, 2005 19:51:46 I'm a bit confused. When one dies in sigil, is their spirit trapped since nothing can pass the lady's astral barrier? Also the reverse, can a person be resurrected inside sigil? Seeing that their spirits are on another plane.
#2
ripvanwormer
Dec 21, 2005 21:09:20 Officially, there's no problem with spirits being trapped in Sigil. They just have to wait for a portal to open and walk through it - they can get to their destined Outer Plane from pretty much wherever they end up.

Unofficially, on the other hand:

The Soul Cage.

Soul Cage Shamans.
#3
zombiegleemax
Jan 05, 2006 8:35:15 So, how do they walk through the portal? Do they go out of their body as corporal petitioners? That would make a cool splatter effect :D
#4
ripvanwormer
Jan 05, 2006 9:41:01 I assume they have to wait for someone else to open the portal, unless the key to the portal is a discorporate soul. Once outside Sigil, they can use astral and planar conduits to get to their destined plane the normal way.

I also think we can safely assume that petitioners don't become corporeal until they've reached their destination. In the Lower Planes, they stay incorporeal until they reach one of the birthing orifices that continually belch out larvae there.
#5
zombiegleemax
Jan 26, 2006 14:22:10 I've always ruled that the life forces of the dead/slain just pass out of sigil, regardless of portals, basically I have it work just like anywhere else (I've never felt that any of the normal planar travel methods were necissary for this type of thing).

Afterall, sigil is more about keeping things out than letting them leave. Also, if you dive off the edge of the doughnut, you get sent to a random plane (unless this was changed). This suggest that it's not hard to leave.
#6
ordbyrht
Jan 26, 2006 18:40:54
Afterall, sigil is more about keeping things out than letting them leave.

I don't know about that, it is called the Cage, isn't it?

Also, if you dive off the edge of the doughnut, you get sent to a random plane (unless this was changed). This suggest that it's not hard to leave.

Do you know which book this has been said in? I always assumed that a body ceased to exist when he made the leap.
#7
ripvanwormer
Jan 26, 2006 20:31:57
Do you know which book this has been said in? I always assumed that a body ceased to exist when he made the leap.

That's from the original boxed set. It's not stated outright, but it's hinted.

"Humans being a particularly curious type, it's natural that some of the barmies have tried stepping off into the nothingness. Everybody who does so just vanishes. It's said that a few are seen again, too. Apparently, crossing that border hurls a sod into a random plane. Considering the conditions of some of these destinations, it's no surprise that only a few make it back." - Sigil and Beyond, page 59.
#8
Shemeska_the_Marauder
Jan 27, 2006 0:58:18
That's from the original boxed set. It's not stated outright, but it's hinted.

"Humans being a particularly curious type, it's natural that some of the barmies have tried stepping off into the nothingness. Everybody who does so just vanishes. It's said that a few are seen again, too. Apparently, crossing that border hurls a sod into a random plane. Considering the conditions of some of these destinations, it's no surprise that only a few make it back." - Sigil and Beyond, page 59.

I think they contradicted that later somewhere, with the material on what you see if you look over the side in Suicide Alley, etc. Though for the life of me I can't remember what about that was canon and how much of it I might have created, or inferred from canon, if anything, in PW's Sigil chapter.
#9
ripvanwormer
Jan 27, 2006 1:23:53 Suicide Alley is from the Mimir.

But they did contradict it. In the Cage says berks who jump over the edge just fall forever.

From the edge, some say a cutter can see right into that endless Void, and a smart cutter knows that fall is infinite. Truth is, you just see black. And you never hit the bottom, you just die along the way.

The Mimir combined those two ideas with another one in its Further Questions On the Spire.
#10
nerdicus
Jan 28, 2006 9:39:54 I always thought that it should be that no one COULD get off Sigil that way. I took it that Gravity would work against a person in that respect. as far as jumping off the ring. I mean, if all the buildings and what not, are restricted to exsisting inside the ring, it follows that, perhaps one can't get outside it by simply walking. Thats my take anyways.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Dec 21, 2005 19:51:46	I'm a bit confused. When one dies in sigil, is their spirit trapped since nothing can pass the lady's astral barrier? Also the reverse, can a person be resurrected inside sigil? Seeing that their spirits are on another plane.
#2 ripvanwormer Dec 21, 2005 21:09:20	Officially, there's no problem with spirits being trapped in Sigil. They just have to wait for a portal to open and walk through it - they can get to their destined Outer Plane from pretty much wherever they end up. Unofficially, on the other hand: The Soul Cage. Soul Cage Shamans.
#3 zombiegleemax Jan 05, 2006 8:35:15	So, how do they walk through the portal? Do they go out of their body as corporal petitioners? That would make a cool splatter effect :D
#4 ripvanwormer Jan 05, 2006 9:41:01	I assume they have to wait for someone else to open the portal, unless the key to the portal is a discorporate soul. Once outside Sigil, they can use astral and planar conduits to get to their destined plane the normal way. I also think we can safely assume that petitioners don't become corporeal until they've reached their destination. In the Lower Planes, they stay incorporeal until they reach one of the birthing orifices that continually belch out larvae there.
#5 zombiegleemax Jan 26, 2006 14:22:10	I've always ruled that the life forces of the dead/slain just pass out of sigil, regardless of portals, basically I have it work just like anywhere else (I've never felt that any of the normal planar travel methods were necissary for this type of thing). Afterall, sigil is more about keeping things out than letting them leave. Also, if you dive off the edge of the doughnut, you get sent to a random plane (unless this was changed). This suggest that it's not hard to leave.
#6 ordbyrht Jan 26, 2006 18:40:54	Afterall, sigil is more about keeping things out than letting them leave. I don't know about that, it is called the Cage, isn't it? Also, if you dive off the edge of the doughnut, you get sent to a random plane (unless this was changed). This suggest that it's not hard to leave. Do you know which book this has been said in? I always assumed that a body ceased to exist when he made the leap.
#7 ripvanwormer Jan 26, 2006 20:31:57	Do you know which book this has been said in? I always assumed that a body ceased to exist when he made the leap. That's from the original boxed set. It's not stated outright, but it's hinted. "Humans being a particularly curious type, it's natural that some of the barmies have tried stepping off into the nothingness. Everybody who does so just vanishes. It's said that a few are seen again, too. Apparently, crossing that border hurls a sod into a random plane. Considering the conditions of some of these destinations, it's no surprise that only a few make it back." - Sigil and Beyond, page 59.
#8 Shemeska_the_Marauder Jan 27, 2006 0:58:18	That's from the original boxed set. It's not stated outright, but it's hinted. "Humans being a particularly curious type, it's natural that some of the barmies have tried stepping off into the nothingness. Everybody who does so just vanishes. It's said that a few are seen again, too. Apparently, crossing that border hurls a sod into a random plane. Considering the conditions of some of these destinations, it's no surprise that only a few make it back." - Sigil and Beyond, page 59. I think they contradicted that later somewhere, with the material on what you see if you look over the side in Suicide Alley, etc. Though for the life of me I can't remember what about that was canon and how much of it I might have created, or inferred from canon, if anything, in PW's Sigil chapter.
#9 ripvanwormer Jan 27, 2006 1:23:53	Suicide Alley is from the Mimir. But they did contradict it. In the Cage says berks who jump over the edge just fall forever. From the edge, some say a cutter can see right into that endless Void, and a smart cutter knows that fall is infinite. Truth is, you just see black. And you never hit the bottom, you just die along the way. The Mimir combined those two ideas with another one in its Further Questions On the Spire.
#10 nerdicus Jan 28, 2006 9:39:54	I always thought that it should be that no one COULD get off Sigil that way. I took it that Gravity would work against a person in that respect. as far as jumping off the ring. I mean, if all the buildings and what not, are restricted to exsisting inside the ring, it follows that, perhaps one can't get outside it by simply walking. Thats my take anyways.