Alternative Character Classes For OD&D

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#1

iramus

Jan 13, 2006 17:37:39
Does anybody have any stats available for example a Rangers/Forrester class?

Or how about a Gnome class?

Thanks in advance.
#2

agathokles

Jan 14, 2006 8:26:26
Does anybody have any stats available for example a Rangers/Forrester class?

Or how about a Gnome class?

You mean, alternative to the Forester and Gnome provided in DotE and Top Ballista, respectively?

Looking at the canon material, we have:
1) the Forester from DotE -- this is basically a human who progresses as an elf.
2) the Druidic Knight from Dragon Magazine -- this is the Neutral equivalent of the Paladin/Avenger; makes a fine Ranger character as well
3) the fighters from Atruaghin clans have several restrictions that make them more or less like Rangers
#3

iramus

Jan 16, 2006 18:36:47
Do you mean the Dawn of the Emperors boxed set?

If so I haven't got that one.

Are the stats online anywhere?
#4

eldersphinx

Jan 16, 2006 19:52:10
Do you mean the Dawn of the Emperors boxed set?

If so I haven't got that one.

Are the stats online anywhere?

Not... exactly.

All you really do is grab the rules for being an Elf, write up background and such as a Human, and you're good to go, though. Rakes are fairly similar - take the Thief rules, drop the Pick Pockets skill, and you're set.
#5

agathokles

Jan 17, 2006 1:20:15
All you really do is grab the rules for being an Elf,

Well, of course the Forester doesn't get the special abilities of elves (infravision and immunities).
#6

rhialto

Jan 17, 2006 1:38:20
Surveying my rulebooks, I find...

GAZ2 - human dervishes (desert druids)
GAZ3 - various advanced wizardry groups
GAZ6 - dwarf clerics (of Kagyar)
GAZ8 - hin masters (druid-mages)
GAZ9 - elf/human merchant prince (sea wizard)
GAZ10 - humanoids as PCs, and shaman/wicca spellcasters
GAZ12 - shaman (modified cleric)
DotE - human foresters (basically, fighter-mages)

Some of these could be made as initial starting classes. I think that applies to the following:

* Forester (open to elves and humans trained by elves)
* Cleric (gaz. specifically notes as open to dwarves)
* Ethengar shaman (modified cleric that Ethengars must take instead of regular cleric class)

The following would be best presented as prestige classes:

* All the funky advanced wizards from GAZ3
* Hin Master (open to hin only)
* Merchant prince (open to elves and humans in Minrothad)

I'm sure I've missed a few. I'm leaving the mystic out of this post.
#7

agathokles

Jan 17, 2006 11:02:35
GAZ2 - human dervishes (desert druids)
GAZ3 - various advanced wizardry groups
GAZ6 - dwarf clerics (of Kagyar)
GAZ8 - hin masters (druid-mages)
GAZ9 - elf/human merchant prince (sea wizard)
GAZ10 - humanoids as PCs, and shaman/wicca spellcasters
GAZ12 - shaman (modified cleric)
DotE - human foresters (basically, fighter-mages)

Also:

GAZ5 - Elf Wizard, Elf Treekeeper
GAZ7 - Wise Woman (NPC magic users), specialized priests
GAZ10 - Goblinoids (Kobolds, Goblins, Orcs, Bugbears, Ogres and Trolls)
GAZ11 - Darokin Merchant (limited wizard-like dual-classing)
GAZ12 - Horse Warrior, Hakomon (modified warrior and wizard)
GAZ13 - Shadow Elf, Shadow Elf Shaman
GAZ14 - modified classes for the Atruaghin, Shamans
PC1 - Centaur, Hsiao, Dryad, Pixie, Brownie, Sprite, Sidhe, Wood Imp, Treant
PC2 - Harpy, Gnome (Sky, Earth), Nagpa, Tabi, Pegataur, Gremlin
PC3 - Triton, Merman, Kna, Shark-kin, Aquatic Elf, Sea Giant, Kopru
PC4 - Lycanthropes (several phenotypes)
Champions of Mystara - Rakasta (as any human class), Graakhalian Elf Shaman, Graakhalian Gnoll "Forester"
Dragon Magazine: Elf Paladin, Elf Cleric, Bard, Druidic Knight, Lupin, Half Elf (as any human class)
Hollow World - Elf Fighter, Beastman, Krugel Orc (and probably others)
HWR3 - specialist priests, griffon rider

I'm pretty sure there are some other I'm missing.
#8

verro_diabolico

Jan 17, 2006 14:32:29
Hollow World - Elf Fighter, Beastman, Krugel Orc (and probably others)

IIRC also Hutaaka, Kubitts, Lizardmen and Brutemen.
#9

agathokles

Jan 17, 2006 15:20:54
IIRC also Hutaaka, Kubitts, Lizardmen and Brutemen.

Oh, yes, they're in HW too. BTW, I did also forget the Hobgoblin from GAZ10, the Sphynx and Faenare from PC2, the Pooka, Wooddrake, Redcap, Leprechaun and Satyr from PC1, and the N'djatwa from Dragon Magazine.
#10

rhialto

Jan 17, 2006 15:43:17
Well, I wasn't counting races in Mystara, only source material where new classes were introduced.
#11

agathokles

Jan 18, 2006 1:51:19
Well, I wasn't counting races in Mystara, only source material where new classes were introduced.

The OP asked for new OD&D classes:

Or how about a Gnome class?

So I suppose it's ok if we list a few of the race-classes as well.
#12

rhialto

Jan 18, 2006 3:13:20
I'll admit I don't have my copy of Top Ballista to hand, but istr that the gnome class there had various engineering skills as an intrinsic part of the character. I kind of figured that made it more like a character of race:gnome and class:engineer (for want of a better word; "tinker" has been ruined for this purpose). Almost all the other non-human classes that have been presented are really fighters with various racial modifications added on; once you remove their race-specific benefits, their class becomes apparent.
#13

agathokles

Jan 18, 2006 7:19:36
I'll admit I don't have my copy of Top Ballista to hand, but istr that the gnome class there had various engineering skills as an intrinsic part of the character. I kind of figured that made it more like a character of race:gnome and class:engineer (for want of a better word; "tinker" has been ruined for this purpose). Almost all the other non-human classes that have been presented are really fighters with various racial modifications added on; once you remove their race-specific benefits, their class becomes apparent.

Gnomes do have some special "powers", but their're still basically fighters as well. Anyway, I think you're mostly looking at the humanoids, who indeed are fighters (what else could they be?). Other race-classes of OD&D are similar to other human/demihuman classes (IIRC, Hsiao are basically clerics, Wooddrakes are thief-like, brownies are more or less like halflings, and sidhe are elf-like), of course, with a few exceptions -- the Nagpa and the Pooka are heavily based on special powers.

However, I intended the original post as a request for more OD&D classes, so including both races and class in the same package (though even in OD&D there are a few instances of races that are not classes at the same time -- human, half-elf and rakasta, mostly).
#14

zombiegleemax

Jan 20, 2006 14:55:49
How far back do you want to go?

If before the ODnD/1e split how about these

Ranger – The Strategic Review 2
Illusionist – The Strategic Review 4
Alchemist – Dragon 2
Healers – Dragon 3
Scribes – Dragon 3
Samurai – Dragon 3
Berserker – Dragon 3
Idiot – Dragon 3
Jester – Dragon 3
Ninja – Dragon 16