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The never-to-be-published -Greyhawk Rogues' Gallery-

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#1
lincoln_hills
Jan 13, 2006 17:58:32 The other day I was struggling to discover the details of Leomund's career and where, exactly, it fit into GH history. Suddenly it occurred to me that I'd become an archaeologist. Heck, most of us DMs for Greyhawk have to be - digging up not-so-ancient records and assembling fact from clues dotted here and there about virtually everything to do with the setting's personnel.

I mean - I happen to know that Erac's Cousin is widely suspected to have become the Unnameable Hierarch. I happen to know that Murlynd adventured extensively in a parallel dimension which bore a startling resemblance to the Old West of our own world. I happen to know that comets/meteorites on Oerth are considered ill omens with far better reason than they were in our medieval era. But I've had to assemble all this GH-lore in tiny shards...

I think it would be really intriguing to see a softcover released called Greyhawk Rogues' Gallery - which is about the only 1st Edition title that hasn't been recycled yet. Just as the Living Greyhawk Gazetteer was detailed (and rules-light) about the geography and politics of Oerth, this 'GRG' would provide biographies for the people of Greyhawk - Agath to Zuggtmoy, inclusive. The boys at the WotC marketing division would cackle with glee if they knew how much I'd be willing to pay for a product which finally explained when Heward was born (and in what year he became immortal), which eight demigods were bound by Zagig (and in what year), and what profession Bucknard had in life. A lot of this information is out there, but it's dispersed, hotly debated and sometimes contradicted by other Oerth-based stuff.

The part that fills me with woe (woe is me) is that there are publishers who might be willing to spring on such a product (I'm sure Monte or Erik would champion such a thing), but they don't own the right. And those who do just aren't interested in profiting by their ownership. I guess I'll just keep my money in my pocket.
#2
kelanenprinceofswords
Jan 13, 2006 22:09:50 I'm sure most of the people who play in the GH setting would buy a copy. I would pay handsomely for one. But I wonder exactly what % of D&D players use GH??? That would determine whether the product would be made or not, by WotC or any other rpg co.
#3
maldin
Jan 15, 2006 1:46:14 Actually, the "Rogues' Gallery" title WAS recycled as a 2E collection of loose-leaf character sheets. They recycled the cover of "Needle" for its cover. They recycled artwork from the sets of collector cards for the character drawings. Only thing missing was the use of recycled paper. I made the mistake of buying it because I thought it might have been an update of the original Rogues' Gallery. I was wrong. I've never used anything from it.

Denis, aka "Maldin" (who would now be in a Greyhawk "Who's Who"... which is totally cool!)
=============================
Maldin's Greyhawk http://melkot.com
Loads of edition independent materials!
#4
lincoln_hills
Jan 25, 2006 14:38:31
I'm sure most of the people who play in the GH setting would buy a copy... But I wonder exactly what % of D&D players use GH??? That would determine whether the product would be made or not...

It is, I'll admit, a specialty product: but I wager its buyer base is no more limited than Sharn: City of Towers, Magic of Incarnum, Races of Destiny, or Elminster's Complete Guide to A 100-Mile-Square Section of Empty Grassland Southeast of Chondath. A lot of what they publish these days appeals only to a small percentage of all D&D gamers.
#5
extempus
Feb 05, 2006 3:35:15
Actually, the "Rogues' Gallery" title WAS recycled as a 2E collection of loose-leaf character sheets. They recycled the cover of "Needle" for its cover. They recycled artwork from the sets of collector cards for the character drawings. Only thing missing was the use of recycled paper. I made the mistake of buying it because I thought it might have been an update of the original Rogues' Gallery. I was wrong. I've never used anything from it.

Denis, aka "Maldin" (who would now be in a Greyhawk "Who's Who"... which is totally cool!)
=============================
Maldin's Greyhawk http://melkot.com
Loads of edition independent materials!

Really? I've used several characters from the 2nd Edition Rogues Gallery, but not all that many, I'll admit, and they were mostly window dressing anyway. However, it did inspire probably the nastiest opponent my players ever faced: the Malleck. He was "defeated" (kinda) by "the Group" (Aruthir, Aurora, Burtelessar, Zera Brighthammer, Alexandar and Guido del Confuso), who my players met at one point, basically for the purpose of introducing the Malleck. Using the legendary monsters rules in High-Level Campaigns (pp. 59-67), I made the Malleck into a paragon black dragon; between it and the Blood Obelisk of Aerdy (Atlas of the Flanaess, pp. 70-71, in the From the Ashes boxed set), they killed a number of the characters, most of which were 15th level and above, as I recall.

It never occurred to anyone that he might be able to regenerate, so they encountered him a second time some years later...

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#1 lincoln_hills Jan 13, 2006 17:58:32	The other day I was struggling to discover the details of Leomund's career and where, exactly, it fit into GH history. Suddenly it occurred to me that I'd become an archaeologist. Heck, most of us DMs for Greyhawk have to be - digging up not-so-ancient records and assembling fact from clues dotted here and there about virtually everything to do with the setting's personnel. I mean - I happen to know that Erac's Cousin is widely suspected to have become the Unnameable Hierarch. I happen to know that Murlynd adventured extensively in a parallel dimension which bore a startling resemblance to the Old West of our own world. I happen to know that comets/meteorites on Oerth are considered ill omens with far better reason than they were in our medieval era. But I've had to assemble all this GH-lore in tiny shards... I think it would be really intriguing to see a softcover released called Greyhawk Rogues' Gallery - which is about the only 1st Edition title that hasn't been recycled yet. Just as the Living Greyhawk Gazetteer was detailed (and rules-light) about the geography and politics of Oerth, this 'GRG' would provide biographies for the people of Greyhawk - Agath to Zuggtmoy, inclusive. The boys at the WotC marketing division would cackle with glee if they knew how much I'd be willing to pay for a product which finally explained when Heward was born (and in what year he became immortal), which eight demigods were bound by Zagig (and in what year), and what profession Bucknard had in life. A lot of this information is out there, but it's dispersed, hotly debated and sometimes contradicted by other Oerth-based stuff. The part that fills me with woe (woe is me) is that there are publishers who might be willing to spring on such a product (I'm sure Monte or Erik would champion such a thing), but they don't own the right. And those who do just aren't interested in profiting by their ownership. I guess I'll just keep my money in my pocket.
#2 kelanenprinceofswords Jan 13, 2006 22:09:50	I'm sure most of the people who play in the GH setting would buy a copy. I would pay handsomely for one. But I wonder exactly what % of D&D players use GH??? That would determine whether the product would be made or not, by WotC or any other rpg co.
#3 maldin Jan 15, 2006 1:46:14	Actually, the "Rogues' Gallery" title WAS recycled as a 2E collection of loose-leaf character sheets. They recycled the cover of "Needle" for its cover. They recycled artwork from the sets of collector cards for the character drawings. Only thing missing was the use of recycled paper. I made the mistake of buying it because I thought it might have been an update of the original Rogues' Gallery. I was wrong. I've never used anything from it. Denis, aka "Maldin" (who would now be in a Greyhawk "Who's Who"... which is totally cool!) ============================= Maldin's Greyhawk http://melkot.com Loads of edition independent materials!
#4 lincoln_hills Jan 25, 2006 14:38:31	I'm sure most of the people who play in the GH setting would buy a copy... But I wonder exactly what % of D&D players use GH??? That would determine whether the product would be made or not... It is, I'll admit, a specialty product: but I wager its buyer base is no more limited than Sharn: City of Towers, Magic of Incarnum, Races of Destiny, or Elminster's Complete Guide to A 100-Mile-Square Section of Empty Grassland Southeast of Chondath. A lot of what they publish these days appeals only to a small percentage of all D&D gamers.
#5 extempus Feb 05, 2006 3:35:15	Actually, the "Rogues' Gallery" title WAS recycled as a 2E collection of loose-leaf character sheets. They recycled the cover of "Needle" for its cover. They recycled artwork from the sets of collector cards for the character drawings. Only thing missing was the use of recycled paper. I made the mistake of buying it because I thought it might have been an update of the original Rogues' Gallery. I was wrong. I've never used anything from it. Denis, aka "Maldin" (who would now be in a Greyhawk "Who's Who"... which is totally cool!) ============================= Maldin's Greyhawk http://melkot.com Loads of edition independent materials! Really? I've used several characters from the 2nd Edition Rogues Gallery, but not all that many, I'll admit, and they were mostly window dressing anyway. However, it did inspire probably the nastiest opponent my players ever faced: the Malleck. He was "defeated" (kinda) by "the Group" (Aruthir, Aurora, Burtelessar, Zera Brighthammer, Alexandar and Guido del Confuso), who my players met at one point, basically for the purpose of introducing the Malleck. Using the legendary monsters rules in High-Level Campaigns (pp. 59-67), I made the Malleck into a paragon black dragon; between it and the Blood Obelisk of Aerdy (Atlas of the Flanaess, pp. 70-71, in the From the Ashes boxed set), they killed a number of the characters, most of which were 15th level and above, as I recall. It never occurred to anyone that he might be able to regenerate, so they encountered him a second time some years later...