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#1megatherionJan 27, 2006 3:51:51 | Final version:
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#2megatherionJan 27, 2006 17:30:18 | What, no reply at all? If this article gets grades, any grades at all then I'll have some incentive to go on with new interesting weaponry, but all this silence greatly confuses me. Did I write something wrong? I was going to do a followup, a weapon called "Gnomish auto-backstabber", imported by the Githyanki from Krynn during the invasion and adapted to the Athas setting using defiler magic, but since there seems to be no audience... Dunno! |
#3squidfur-Jan 27, 2006 19:45:56 | Patience young one, your replies will come. Just give it time (meaning a few days, not a few hours :P ) As for my opinion.... Well, to be honest, I had to actually give it a couple tries. Basically you've got yourself a pretty simple weapon design (one that matches up well with a number of other athasian weapons), but, whereas most entries have been written in no more than a few short paragraphs, yours is A FREAKIN' PAGE AND A HALF MAN!!!!!!! :D Anyhow, this just seems like a lot of effort for something so simple. Not saying it's not for Athas, just that a simpler presentation might grab a little more attention. Also, you'll probably want somebody with a good hand at writing, to help ya' out some, as there seems to be a lot of little things that stand out as shabby writing IMO. Sorry this might seem like harsh criticism, but that's not the intention. Just keep it up and it'll come together. |
#4ruhl-than_sageJan 27, 2006 20:58:56 | I thought about making strength requirements for weapons. They use a system that has strength requirements in most (all?) WoD games. Its pretty wierd to just throw that in with a weapon though. I mean, why does this weapon have a strength requirement when no other one does? Your reference to trolls and pixies, seems out of place for athas. Unless you were trying to set a green age athas tone (since all the trolls and pixies were killed in the cleansing war), but of course metal wasn't scare in the green age. The rules seem overly complicated for a simple weapon, and I have trouble visualizing it from your description. I think you can do better :D |
#5kalthandrixJan 28, 2006 0:55:49 | Ya sorry- but it is too damn long for a such an item- and I know I have a tendancy to over write on some of the items I have made, but yours is way too much- I got about 5 sentances into it, scrolled to the bottom and moved on to the next thread. |
#6jon_oracle_of_athasJan 28, 2006 2:57:09 | Belonging to the new age, where metal is already too scarce to forge entire swords of it, the composite blade uses two flat blocks of obsidian and little metal leaves protruding between them, much like a hamburger. Hamburger?! |
#7megatherionJan 28, 2006 3:35:29 | Anyhow, this just seems like a lot of effort for something so simple. Not saying it's not for Athas, just that a simpler presentation might grab a little more attention. As you can see, even such a simple weapon, with page and a half to explain it still fails to light a spark in some people. *sigh* ya yer right. I'll use pictures next time. Also, you'll probably want somebody with a good hand at writing, to help ya' out some, as there seems to be a lot of little things that stand out as shabby writing IMO. No need to appologise, I always appreciate constructive criticism! |
#8megatherionJan 28, 2006 3:37:42 | Your reference to trolls and pixies, seems out of place for athas. Unless you were trying to set a green age athas tone (since all the trolls and pixies were killed in the cleansing war), but of course metal wasn't scare in the green age. The referance to trolls and pixies comes directly from RaFotDK, where young Hamanu, while the battle against trolls still raged, took the composite longsword from his captain after beating his head into a pulp with a club. At the time of the Clensing wars, metal indeed rapidly started to get rarer. As for visialising, visualise it here: I hope this cleart is up? |
#9megatherionJan 28, 2006 3:39:34 | Hamburger?! Yes, as in layers. One layer of obsidian, one layer of metal scraps, and then close it with another layer of obsidian. Tie it all together with some giant hair. Voila, your first composite blade. Check image above for clarification. |
#10megatherionJan 28, 2006 4:03:20 | I have thrown out 50% of the text that was really not needed, as per your suggestions, good people. I thank you for the input. Anyway, please read it now again and see if it makes any more sense to you now. Thanx in advance! |
#11korvarJan 28, 2006 4:05:18 | Obsidian's not the material to be using for the "bread" of this particular sandwich. Obsidian's basically volcanic glass, and wouldn't be all that good at absorbing the shocks of combat. You'd be better off using bone or wood, with obsidian or metal scraps for the blade. |
#12megatherionJan 28, 2006 4:08:37 | Obsidian's not the material to be using for the "bread" of this particular sandwich. Obsidian's basically volcanic glass, and wouldn't be all that good at absorbing the shocks of combat. Indeed! I have thought about this myself but couldn't figure out why Lynn Abbey used it in the first place. I assume It's because of the weight, but it does seem odd, doesn't it? Well, it's composite, and the metal leaves are the ones doing damage, so I can safely say that you can construct the rest from anything you wish with no penalties to the weapon performance. |
#13jon_oracle_of_athasJan 28, 2006 4:11:05 | Yes, as in layers. One layer of obsidian, one layer of metal scraps, and then close it with another layer of obsidian. Tie it all together with some giant hair. Voila, your first composite blade. Check image above for clarification. I understood the description. What I reacted to was the use of the word hamburger in a weapon description. |
#14megatherionJan 28, 2006 4:12:32 | I understood the description. What I reacted to was the use of the word hamburger in a weapon description. Bah, I'm not an native-English peaker, and I sometimes stumble with the words. :D I threw that out and clarified it quite a bit, I hope. |
#15korvarJan 28, 2006 4:49:49 | Indeed! I have thought about this myself but couldn't figure out why Lynn Abbey used it in the first place. I assume It's because of the weight, but it does seem odd, doesn't it? I'm increasingly convinced, that Dark Sun Obsidian, or at least Urikite Dark Sun Obsidian, is Super Special Magic Obsidian that isn't as brittle as actual real life Earth obsidian. Maybe they have Psions with cunning techniques to give it extra strength or something. |
#16darksoulmanJan 28, 2006 6:22:48 | I think the concept of the weapon is nice, but one thing really bugs me: why is the damage actually better than a similiar weapon made from pure steel? The fact that the weapon will break 0.6% of the times it scores damage (for a composite longsword, increase/decrease for other weapons) doesn't justify this at all imo. [I find the Elven Longblade to be too good for the same reason, but that's another story entirely] |
#17ruhl-than_sageJan 28, 2006 6:59:04 | :D nice picture! |
#18megatherionJan 28, 2006 7:09:05 | I think the concept of the weapon is nice, but one thing really bugs me: why is the damage actually better than a similiar weapon made from pure steel? The fact that the weapon will break 0.6% of the times it scores damage (for a composite longsword, increase/decrease for other weapons) doesn't justify this at all imo. That's what I tried to explain - as it has numerous metal leaves on the sides of the weapon, each of these leaves makes it's own little wound, which run in parallel with each other, and often at odd angles. The result is not only a lot of very deep gashes but also some flesh is torn out rather than simply cut. A normal metal (or other) weapon usually makes only a single gash that's much easier to cure (simply patch it up with needle & thread) than the horrible wounds (mutilations) this weapon does. To compensate I tried to increase the weight of the weapon and to introduce strength requirements, but it was voted down quickly. |
#19ruhl-than_sageJan 28, 2006 7:14:18 | How about making it an exotic weapon proficiency. That would counterbalance the increased damage. ;) |
#20megatherionJan 28, 2006 7:17:47 | How about making it an exotic weapon proficiency. That would counterbalance the increased damage. ;) Excellent! I'll update it now. |
#21OninotakiJan 29, 2006 0:07:07 | I'm increasingly convinced, that Dark Sun Obsidian, or at least Urikite Dark Sun Obsidian, is Super Special Magic Obsidian that isn't as brittle as actual real life Earth obsidian. Maybe they have Psions with cunning techniques to give it extra strength or something. Thats what I am starting to think, which is why I tried to get the community to work with me on making a presitge class about a obsidian smith that uses psionics to get the most out of obsidian...... Back on topic, i like the idea, but I too am in favor of replacing the obsidian with wood or bone.... |
#22jon_oracle_of_athasJan 29, 2006 4:13:35 | [I find the Elven Longblade to be too good for the same reason, but that's another story entirely] The Elven Longblade has a metal equivalent in generic D&D - the Elven Thinblade. The Elven Thinblade originally appeared in Dragon Magazine. Both are exotic weapons, so I fail to see the issue. |
#23jon_oracle_of_athasJan 29, 2006 4:15:05 | Thats what I am starting to think, which is why I tried to get the community to work with me on making a presitge class about a obsidian smith that uses psionics to get the most out of obsidian...... It's a very narrow concept and more fitting to an NPC. Would anyone play it? In a way, Craft Arms and Armor already covers enhancing weapons with psionics. You could also create a low level psionic power that is used to strengthen obsidian during weapon crafting - increasing the weapon's hardness. |
#24darksoulmanJan 29, 2006 4:48:12 | The Elven Longblade has a metal equivalent in generic D&D - the Elven Thinblade. The Elven Thinblade originally appeared in Dragon Magazine. Both are exotic weapons, so I fail to see the issue. Yeah you're right, for some reason I thought the Elven Longblade was a Martial Weapon. The need for a feat makes it properly balanced of course. |
#25PennarinFeb 07, 2006 21:42:52 | megatherion's composite blade seems to me to be a metal macahuilt, i.e. a blade of wood with metal teeths sticking out of it. Seems as simple as that. A macahuilt is considered an obsidian weapon even though its maybe less than 10% obsidian, so a metal macahuilt would be considered metal as well, for a fraction of the price. |
#26jon_oracle_of_athasFeb 08, 2006 6:12:18 | Yeah you're right, for some reason I thought the Elven Longblade was a Martial Weapon. The need for a feat makes it properly balanced of course. For Elves it is treated as a Martial Weapon. That's probably the source of your confusion. |
#27methvezemFeb 08, 2006 8:51:44 | megatherion's composite blade seems to me to be a metal macahuilt, i.e. a blade of wood with metal teeths sticking out of it. Just what I was thinking. The composite sword could be stated as something as simple as a macahuilt: Composite Sword 150 Cp 1d8 1d10 19-20/x2 8 lb. Slashing Composite Sword: A composite sword is a sword crafted using two piece of bone, obsidian or wood bound together using giant's hair rope, with small, sharp pieces of metal protuding from between them to form a serrated edge on the two opposite sides of the weapon. These weapons are swung like the scimitar, though composite swords tend to require more maintenance. The composite sword is mostly found in the Sorcerer-Monarchs' armories, equipping the intermediate ranks of their templarate. |