Has there ever been a set of game statistics for the original, pre-fallen, Ogres? Perhaps during the old days of second ed? Any ideas whether we'll learn more about their descendants, the Irda, in the upcoming Races of Ansalon book?
It's a tough call.
The Irda I guess ARE True Ogres.
I think the Ogre Titans are just what Ogres THINK they're like.
Here's some unofficial stats though:
High Ogre, medium giant
+2 str, +2 con, +4 cha
2d8 HD: 2+int mod x5 skill points (Climb, Listen, Spot). Base Attack +1, Base Fort +3, and 1 feat. Proficient with simple weapons, light armor, and any weapons in their description. They make take Hulking Brute (DLCS) as a 1st level or 1st HD feat.
Queen’s Favored: they may take this feat at first level only
High Ogres receive a +2 to intimidate and it is always a class skill for them.
+3 Natural armor class
Favored Class: Cleric or Noble. LA +1, ECL 3
Feat: Queen's Favored, you are one of the Dark Queen’s gifted.
Prereq: High Ogre (meant for Age of Dreams Ogres), must be taken at 1st class level
Benefit: you get to choose one power from the list below.
Special: taking this feat does not necessarily mean that you are evil or a follower of Takhisis, it is part of your racial heritage.
* (Ex) Single energy resistance 10 (fire, cold, acid, sonic, force, electricity)
* (Ex) Immunity to 1+cha mod number of spells (min one, later increases do not affect this power)
* (Sp) Fear aura 10 ft (DC 11 +cha mod, later increases/decreases do affect this), as the spell
* (Ex) Blindsight 30 ft
* (Ex) +3 save vs one school of spells (covers divine and arcane: evocation, necromancy, illusion, conjuration, abjuration, divination, enchantment, transmutation)
* (Sp) any one 1st lvl spell, usable 1+cha mod per day. min 11 cha, inc/dec of cha affects this ability. I would peg the original Irda as using disguise self, and later getting much better at it ...
* (Sp) any one 0th lvl spell usable 2+cha mod per day. As above, but min 10 cha.
* (Su) DR 5/silver
* (Ex) SR = HD+cha mod
* (Su) Telepathy: A creature with this ability can communicate telepathically with any other creature within 100 ft that has a language.
* Natural weapons: 2 claws melee, dmg 1d4 +str mod
* (Ex) Darkvision 90 ft
* (Ex) Chamaeleon skin, +4 racial bonus to hide checks
* (Su) Queen’s Champion, smite good 1 +cha mod/day, +2 dmg to good creatures
* (Ex) Gills and webbing, can breathe underwater and swim 30 ft (+8 to swim skill)
The Irda I guess ARE True Ogres.
I think the Ogre Titans are just what Ogres THINK they're like.
I'm not sure. I don't think the Irda are the original High Ogres. They don't seem like the same people depicted in The Irda.
That said, I think "titan" is just propoganda.
I think the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
I'm not sure. I don't think the Irda are the original High Ogres. They don't seem like the same people depicted in The Irda.
That said, I think "titan" is just propoganda.
I think the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
I think the Irda are pretty close enough, they just lack the magical and physical "oomph" but I take that as more soft living and the fall of their culture than anything real.
I think the Irda are pretty close enough, they just lack the magical and physical "oomph" but I take that as more soft living and the fall of their culture than anything real.
I have to admit that is what I'm afraid of. One thing I am curious about is the mention in ToHS that the Irda had developed an advanced form of High Sorcery that has hybridized with their own natural spellcasting abilities. Any thoughts? I kind of think something like an Irda Mage prestige class where they learn to cast in a way similar to beholder mages: learn new spells as a wizard w/out the need of a spellbook, and cast them spontaneously as a sorcerer does.
Also thanx for the great stats on the Ogres, Wolf72. I may use that...
As far as the High Ogres go I would go with the physical description of the Irda as they are now, remove the Change Shape ability but add the following spell-like abilities. 3\day-darkness, Invisibility, 1\day-Charm person, Cone of Cold, Sleep (from the Ogre mage description).