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#1thorfMar 01, 2006 8:23:44 | Important Note: Due to the limit of 15 images per post on this message board, I can no longer display the full version of the FAQ here. Please go to my home page to see the latest version. This FAQ started when I began to research the well-known but hard-to-get Feinen font. I found so much of interest that I thought I might as well make it into an FAQ - expanded to include not just Feinen but all the other OD&D/Mystara fonts too. The info is really coming together now, though it is still a fair way from being complete. Mystara Font FAQ Fonts have an amazing effect on us. Just by using a certain typeface, text can become familiar, friendly and even nostalgic. Of course, we tend to favour the typefaces we know, and make associations based on the things we know them for. In D&D, quite a number of highly original fonts were used over the course of Mystara's time in print, as well as some quite normal looking ones. But make no mistake, pretty or plain, those fonts are sure to be lodged in your head! For most of us, they are strongly connected with the Known World, OD&D, Mystara, and so on. But what are these fonts? Most of us know only about the fabled "Feinen Bold", but surely there are many other fonts that could be chosen to represent Mystara; after all, Feinen was never a font used for bodies of text. This FAQ sets out to explain this question by identifying which fonts were used where and on what products. It is likely to be a work in progress until we can get first hand confirmation of which fonts were used - which seems rather unlikely at this point. Clicking on a font's name will take you to that font's page at Identifont. For details on the methods used to identify the fonts, please look at the bottom of the FAQ. The List Numbered in very rough chronological order of use. (That is to say that they should be ordered that way... in theory... when I get round to it!)
Fonts left to investigate: Hollow World logo, new Dungeons & Dragons logo, Champions of Mystara title, CM4 handout text, Poor Wizard's Almanac title. Research Methods The first stop for anyone interested in fonts used in any edition of D&D or AD&D is of course the TSR WotC Font FAQ. This is a great page, but it is unfortunately somewhat lacking in details when it comes to OD&D and Mystara. Nevertheless, it has invaluable information on Feinen, as well as Quentin EF, which would otherwise have been difficult to come by. This still leaves a great many fonts unknown. Thankfully, for this we have Identifont, a site that allows you to search for unknown fonts simply by answering a series of questions. Identifont is an extremely powerful resource, because it performs the very important task of narrowing down our search range to a manageable number of fonts. There are some problems when we only have limited examples to go by - in the case of the newer Dungeons & Dragons Challenger Series logo, for example - and it is easy to introduce user error into the search by answering a question wrongly, but these are problems that we can work around. Information on Obtaining Fonts Under Construction Feinen Feinen was the font used for the titles and headings of the majority of OD&D products, most notably for the entire Gazetteer series. Additionally, it was the standard font for mapping until Korinna took over (first in Dragon, later in Champions of Mystara too). As such, all of us who know Mystara tend to associate Feinen with our world. The version apparently used in TSR products was Feinen Bold, made by a company called Datascan. (See the excellent TSR & WotC Font FAQ.) There are apparently two other versions, known as FC-Feinen (company unknown) and Furst, aka OPTIFurst (made by OptiFont/Castcraft Software). I have seen Furst firsthand, though I do not own it. Furst Bold is indeed very similar to Feinen. Finally, there is a cloned version of Feinen, known as Baldur. It's made by Mad Irishman Productions, and you can buy it at myfonts.com for a mere US$12 or so. The current version does not include accents, but a new version is going to be released soon which includes both accents and some special characters like Cyrillic. (I have a beta version, which is how you can see accents on my maps already.) |
#2HuginMar 03, 2006 18:20:57 | That's some interesting info there, Thorf. I was actually surprised to see 'Garamond' in the list as it comes with Microsoft Word. Any other of these fonts available for free? (Btw, I really know nothing about different fonts in general so I'm not much use in helping with the discussion ;) ). |
#3thorfMar 03, 2006 20:35:01 | The trick is that it's probably not the version of Garamond you have. There are tons of versions of that particular font, and the exact match is a specific one of those. On the other hand, you don't need the exact match to make things look very similar. Other fonts that aren't too hard to get... Hmm, I don't remember where they all originally came from - I've been collecting from applications and my father's business's software for years. But I do remember that Korinna came with a version of WordPerfect. Perhaps Friz Quadrata and Souvenir too. I don't have Quentin EF or Feinen yet. The good news is that if you really want to get them, you can get quite a few of these for as little as US$21. For example, Quorum Black, which is on sale at myfonts.com. A word of warning, though: I'd advise you to do some investigation of your own before buying any of the fonts that aren't marked confirmed above. I wouldn't want you to spend the money and end up with something wrong! |
#4stanlesMar 05, 2006 18:29:45 | will you put this into the FAQ that you're working on Cthuludrew? |
#5thorfMar 11, 2006 12:58:04 | Just a note to say that I have added some more fonts - mostly those used for the title or headers in just one module. I am having problems pinning down the exact version of Baskerville used for the BECMI series text. As I noted above, I can't find a version with the exact set of symbols used in the books, although if you mix fonts you can get an almost exact match. Additionally, the italic form seen in the books is completely different from Baskerville Italic; the books show a tilted version of the normal font, whereas Baskerville Italic uses completely redrawn, more curvy characters. This leads me to two possible conclusions: either they used a different font for italics throughout the texts, or I have the wrong font altogether. The former seems unlikely, as it would have been thoroughly troublesome. The latter is confusing, since Baskerville seems like such a good match for the non-italic text... |
#6thorfMar 16, 2006 22:02:56 | I just added links to most of the font names. They link to the page at Identifont, which shows you the font, lists similar fonts, and gives you links to places where you can buy the font in question. Most of these fonts are not that expensive - US$22 and 35 Euros seem like common prices. In general it's only Feinen which is ludicrously expensive. Edit: Note that as I posted this, I lost contact with the Identifont site, and I can no longer get there. I hope it will become available again later - I haven't had problems with it in the past. |
#7HuginMar 17, 2006 13:55:27 | Identifont seems to be back up now. Thanks for the link Thorf! |
#8thorfMar 20, 2006 15:51:07 | I discovered some interesting stuff tonight. While browsing through some font lists, I found a font called Solemnity which bears a striking resemblance to Feinen. It's available for download for free, so I checked it out. It turns out Solemnity is based on another font called Solemnis. This is where it gets interesting, because unlike Feinen, there is lots of information about Solemnis on the Internet. Solemnis was created in about 1952 by a German typographer called Günter Gerhard Lange. He worked for the famous font foundry Berthold for more than 40 years, creating many great typefaces, as well as resurrecting some old typefaces. An uncial style font, Solemnis was one of his first original typefaces for Berthold. So, it looks as if Datascan's Feinen, OPTI's Furst, as well as of course Patrick Murphy's Baldur are all based on Berthold's Solemnis, as created by Lange. Who would have thought? Solemnis and its variations available on the Internet:
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#9thorfMar 25, 2006 13:25:38 | I merged the two lists and added my latest find - it's a good one. Ever wondered what font the "Dragon" lettering in the Dragon magazine logo is in? Check out ITC Honda in the list at the top of this thread. :D |
#10thorfApr 11, 2006 1:21:45 | I updated the list with the font used in the Gazetteer series logo. |
#11thorfApr 24, 2006 7:34:31 | Updated Schadow Antiqua (number 12) to include Thunder Rift usages, etc. |
#12havardApr 24, 2006 7:44:46 | Updated Schadow Antiqua (number 12) to include Thunder Rift usages, etc. Ah, cool Håvard |
#13thorfMay 01, 2006 10:15:57 | I'm updating the FAQ with example images of the fonts that I have access to. I will make sure to copy the info before the new boards come up, so don't worry about me losing it. ;) |
#14HuginMay 03, 2006 14:43:13 | Thanks for the images, Thorf. Definately helpful! |
#15thorfMay 04, 2006 0:42:36 | I should add that due to the limit of 15 images per post, you will need to check my home page for the full version. I think currently there are 4 or 5 extra example images there. http://mystara.thorf.co.uk/fontfaq.html Also, my last update didn't just include the images, but in fact a whole rewrite of the font descriptions. They should be much more consistent with each other now. I still have to add many uses to the list, though. |
#16artaxApr 19, 2008 14:55:10 | A complete font info page is here. It has almost everything you need to know about D&D fonts. |