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#1 zombiegleemax Mar 08, 2006 22:23:19	I was talking with one of my players a few days back and as we where talking we thought it would be interesting to treat Templars as a PRC. I have no knack or clue how to make a PRC so that's about where we stopped. The reason why we thought this was we both got the impression, (not from any actual source more of a rhythmic vibe) that the class would just seam to fit into the setting more logically as a PRC. Now I would see most NPC Templars holding levels in the Aristocrat NPC class, or may be Expert. I was wondering what everyone else thought of the idea? And if anyone liked it what they thought it would look like. Just an idea.
#2 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Mar 09, 2006 11:32:27	The idea was considered, and I believe horrifically shot down before. Mainly because the Templars were a base class in 2E, and it was viewed as probably doing them a great disservice to take them from that. Their position in the world tends to support them as a base class -- with people being trained from childhood to be a Templar (rather tham mostly being something tught later in life). Now, there are supposed to be a number of Templar PrC's that were in the works, things to more specialize them in different duties within a city-state, as well as differentiate the ones from different city-states a bit more. Or so I thought.
#3 megatherion Mar 09, 2006 13:02:36	Now, there are supposed to be a number of Templar PrC's that were in the works, things to more specialize them in different duties within a city-state, as well as differentiate the ones from different city-states a bit more. Or so I thought. Sure, in the Prestige classes appendix there is a special Templar PrC for every city, thus diferentiating them, plus perhaps some extra, I am not sure. I also agree that if a person is trained from shildhood to do a job, that's what he is, not an expert or aristocrat.
#4 jon_oracle_of_athas Mar 09, 2006 15:06:48	One issue that springs immediately to mind is spell progression. Unless you go with the ur-priest progression (arguably broken, yet applied to the Shadow Templar), you will get an inferior spellcasting templar. That doesn't fly well with many old DS timers.
#5 valeshdemon Mar 09, 2006 23:28:06	Most of my 3rd experience before I found Athas.org told me that templars, for the most part, were just clerics that worshipped one of the Sorcerer Kings. I thought that would work fine for lower templar or young ones, and give them access to some sort of Prc as they reached a certain rank. Kinda like a specialist priest within a church, like the Prc for clerics of Pelor, (cant remember the name).
#6 elonarc Mar 10, 2006 14:51:20	The "Prestige Class Appendix Volume I" available for free here has Prestige Classes for the templars of every Sorcerer King. That seems pretty much like "Prc as they reached a certain rank. Kinda like a specialist priest within a church, like the Prc for clerics of Pelor". :D
#7 zombiegleemax Apr 26, 2006 19:00:58	I brought this up awhile back and found the time to set down and do a wight up. I know that many are aginst it for a multitude of reasons thats kewl no prob more power to ya. this is the first time I made a PRC and I would just like to get an idea of what people think of it. Is it balnaced , not too powerful but not too wimpy and what not. A few notes, I am useing Secular Authority as a feet. I am also also useing the domains for the dirent SKs as presented in Dragon Magazine, that is until a beter set of domains can be worked out. Beyond that much o what I have has been based on the Athas.org wirght up for the Templar. Ohh extra apologies if the table looks funky this is my first time playing with such things Templar PRC: Hit Dice: d8 Requirements To qualify to become a Templar, a character must fulfill all the following criteria. Ability: Charisma 13 Skills: Diplomacy 8 ranks, Knowledge (religion) 8 ranks, Knowledge (local) 8 ranks, Knowledge (psionics) 8 ranks, Literacy. Knowledge (local) and Literacy must be for the City that Templar will serve in. Feats: Secular Authority. Special: Must be admitted and have completed the Templar training.
#8 mystictheurge Apr 26, 2006 22:58:15	Just so we're clear, you can get 9th level spells by 15th level using this PrC. I'm not saying that's good or bad, I just want to make sure you're aware of it.
#9 zombiegleemax Apr 27, 2006 2:59:53	Just so we're clear, you can get 9th level spells by 15th level using this PrC. I know. I used the spell progression from the Shadow Templar out of the DS PRC apendie via Athas.org. I was a little set back buy it myself, it was either that or cutting out 9th level spells, which I was tempted to do. Some thought about how SK's wouldn't want thier servents getting powerful enough to go through thier own transermation.
#10 elonarc Apr 27, 2006 7:30:27	I dislike the idea of making Templar a prestige class very much, so I did not read all of it. One small thing though: If you must include ability stats into the requirements (which already is bad design), the required ability stats are never even. This would make min-maxing even easier. I often heard munchkins cry "Why do I need dexterity 15 for two-weapon fighting? Why not 14? That's so unfair!"...it always made me smile.
#11 zombiegleemax Apr 27, 2006 10:26:46	One small thing though: If you must include ability stats into the requirements (which already is bad design), the required ability stats are never even. Thanks for the imput. the reason why I even added the ability req was as I looked at it I though it needed some thing else and I was ike what the hell and dropped the char req in there. I'm not all that fond of it and am think of droping it, for now I'll drop it to 13 and think on it some more. Thanks for the feed back even with your disagreance with the very concept
#12 jon_oracle_of_athas Apr 27, 2006 16:02:29	I know. I used the spell progression from the Shadow Templar out of the DS PRC apendie via Athas.org. Not the best benchmark, since it is based on ur-priest progression, which is arguably broken. The reason I went with this progression was because the templars have already lost their templar spells and thus need a quick path to power. I wouldn't recommend using it in any other context.
#13 zombiegleemax Apr 27, 2006 18:52:01	Not the best benchmark, since it is based on ur-priest progression, which is arguably broken. Do you think upping the the skill reqs to 10 makeing it a 7th level min entry would fix that? I would have to drop the char req at that point completly just starts to be too much at that point.