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#1
Mulhull
Mar 20, 2006 16:44:54 I started to think that Borys needed a levy of the lifeforce of 1000 slaves/people. (the SK"s were each required to give 1000 a year)

Wouldn't this include the city states of Kurn and Eldararich (sp?) as well? Or perhaps they are called lost because the other SK's haven't heard from Oronis and Daskinor since the cleansing wars ended. Remember also, those 2 SK's didn't show up to try to reimprison Rajaat in the Cerulean Storm novel as the others did, nor are they mentioned anywhere prior to the revised dark sun boxed set.

And, what about the wraiths mentioned in the Crimson Legion novel of the Pentad. I thought that they were also champions of Rajaat. Someone told me once that they were officers under Borys's charge in life, but at one point Rikus says to Tamar "summon the other champions" when he's in Urik or something like that, before he has to give the Book of Kings to her.

Finally, I've seen the Dregoth Ascending and dead lands products on athas.org, but have these products been altered and revised to be 3E products (and the story changed as well- such as Dregoth wanting to make a living vortex a living conduit so he can become a god), and are not the original text 2E products given to the DM's at Gen-Con 97. Those are what I'd like to look at if I could.
#2
jon_oracle_of_athas
Mar 20, 2006 17:02:13
Finally, I've seen the Dregoth Ascending and dead lands products on athas.org, but have these products been altered and revised to be 3E products (and the story changed as well- such as Dregoth wanting to make a living vortex a living conduit so he can become a god), and are not the original text 2E products given to the DM's at Gen-Con 97. Those are what I'd like to look at if I could.

Secrets of the Dead Lands is still in production. Terrors of the Dead Lands is but one of several "books" that make up the Secrets of the Dead Lands campaign expansion. Yes, they've been updated to 3.5 - per orders of Wizards of the Coast. We were not allowed to post the original manuscripts. The story element you refer to in Dregoth Ascending has *not* been altered. To my knowledge, only a handful of DMs at Gen Con received playtester's copies of Dregoth Ascending (2E). You would have to track one of them down if you want the original manuscript. We're not allowed to distribute it.
#3
Mulhull
Mar 20, 2006 21:06:02
Secrets of the Dead Lands is still in production. Terrors of the Dead Lands is but one of several "books" that make up the Secrets of the Dead Lands campaign expansion. Yes, they've been updated to 3.5 - per orders of Wizards of the Coast. We were not allowed to post the original manuscripts. The story element you refer to in Dregoth Ascending has *not* been altered. To my knowledge, only a handful of DMs at Gen Con received playtester's copies of Dregoth Ascending (2E). You would have to track one of them down if you want the original manuscript. We're not allowed to distribute it.

Did they give a reason why you can't? The Athas game Gen-Con DM's were the ones that got the copies, they weren't allowed to give them out then, not sure if they are now.
#4
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
Mar 21, 2006 8:29:02
Did they give a reason why you can't? The Athas game Gen-Con DM's were the ones that got the copies, they weren't allowed to give them out then, not sure if they are now.

I don't believe so. And the Dregoth using Living Vortices to become a God... that was part of Dregoth Ascending's manuscripts.
#5
monastyrski
Mar 21, 2006 9:22:35
Wouldn't this include the city states of Kurn and Eldararich (sp?) as well? Or perhaps they are called lost because the other SK's haven't heard from Oronis and Daskinor since the cleansing wars ended.

There is a timeline entry about it:
171st King's Age (-1,463)
-Silt's Reverence
Daskinor Goblin Death slips into insanity following this year's levy, and builds an army to slay the Dragon upon his return the following year. Borys learns of his plot, and not needing the levy to maintain Rajaat's prison never returns.
Keltis, Lizard Man Executioner, has an attack of conscience and denounces being a sorcerer-king. Over the next centuries he strives to become something more noble. Because of the actions of nearby Daskinor, Borys never returns to Kurn and both cities become isolated from the rest of Athas.

Remember also, those 2 SK's didn't show up to try to reimprison Rajaat in the Cerulean Storm novel as the others did...

Remember that Daskinor is insane. As for Oronis, it can be a great plot for a campaign to discover his TRUE reasons.:angelhide
Rikus says to Tamar "summon the other champions"

"The vassal of my vassal is not my vassal". Borys could have people that he called his champions.
#6
Mulhull
Mar 21, 2006 20:37:16
I don't believe so. And the Dregoth using Living Vortices to become a God... that was part of Dregoth Ascending's manuscripts.

Which is another screwup I guess this time attributed to Kevin, City by the silt sea says Dregoth can't become a god because there are no conduits to draw power from worshippers, but simply says he won't be able to change that (doesn't say why) no matter what he does.
#7
cnahumck
Mar 21, 2006 20:49:30
Which is another screwup I guess this time attributed to Kevin, City by the silt sea says Dregoth can't become a god because there are no conduits to draw power from worshippers, but simply says he won't be able to change that (doesn't say why) no matter what he does.

So does athas.org's version of DA. They just leave the option open for a DM to change it if they so choose. The danger of the spell in a traditional "there are no gods" dark sun campaing not that Dregoth's spell works, it can't. The problem is that when it doesn't work all "divine" magic (read from the elemental planes and spirits of the land and SK's) ceases and athas is without them from here on out. This would be BAD, and make life very very very hard for everyone who wasn't undead. life would just suck.
#8
Mulhull
Mar 21, 2006 21:06:04
So does athas.org's version of DA. They just leave the option open for a DM to change it if they so choose. The danger of the spell in a traditional "there are no gods" dark sun campaing not that Dregoth's spell works, it can't. The problem is that when it doesn't work all "divine" magic (read from the elemental planes and spirits of the land and SK's) ceases and athas is without them from here on out. This would be BAD, and make life very very very hard for everyone who wasn't undead. life would just suck.

I thought only templars spells were supplied via a living vortex by the SK's, that elemental clerics, spirits of the land, perhaps used regular vorticies/something else, I never heard anything saying the living vorticies were the source of ALL elemental magic on Athas, that they aren't just giving the SK's energy to give to thier templars
#9
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
Mar 21, 2006 22:44:17
I thought only templars spells were supplied via a living vortex by the SK's, that elemental clerics, spirits of the land, perhaps used regular vorticies/something else, I never heard anything saying the living vorticies were the source of ALL elemental magic on Athas, that they aren't just giving the SK's energy to give to thier templars

Actually, he uses "elemental vortices", which tie into the use of all divine magic. DA does a decent enough time explaining this.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 Mulhull Mar 20, 2006 16:44:54	I started to think that Borys needed a levy of the lifeforce of 1000 slaves/people. (the SK"s were each required to give 1000 a year) Wouldn't this include the city states of Kurn and Eldararich (sp?) as well? Or perhaps they are called lost because the other SK's haven't heard from Oronis and Daskinor since the cleansing wars ended. Remember also, those 2 SK's didn't show up to try to reimprison Rajaat in the Cerulean Storm novel as the others did, nor are they mentioned anywhere prior to the revised dark sun boxed set. And, what about the wraiths mentioned in the Crimson Legion novel of the Pentad. I thought that they were also champions of Rajaat. Someone told me once that they were officers under Borys's charge in life, but at one point Rikus says to Tamar "summon the other champions" when he's in Urik or something like that, before he has to give the Book of Kings to her. Finally, I've seen the Dregoth Ascending and dead lands products on athas.org, but have these products been altered and revised to be 3E products (and the story changed as well- such as Dregoth wanting to make a living vortex a living conduit so he can become a god), and are not the original text 2E products given to the DM's at Gen-Con 97. Those are what I'd like to look at if I could.
#2 jon_oracle_of_athas Mar 20, 2006 17:02:13	Finally, I've seen the Dregoth Ascending and dead lands products on athas.org, but have these products been altered and revised to be 3E products (and the story changed as well- such as Dregoth wanting to make a living vortex a living conduit so he can become a god), and are not the original text 2E products given to the DM's at Gen-Con 97. Those are what I'd like to look at if I could. Secrets of the Dead Lands is still in production. Terrors of the Dead Lands is but one of several "books" that make up the Secrets of the Dead Lands campaign expansion. Yes, they've been updated to 3.5 - per orders of Wizards of the Coast. We were not allowed to post the original manuscripts. The story element you refer to in Dregoth Ascending has not been altered. To my knowledge, only a handful of DMs at Gen Con received playtester's copies of Dregoth Ascending (2E). You would have to track one of them down if you want the original manuscript. We're not allowed to distribute it.
#3 Mulhull Mar 20, 2006 21:06:02	Secrets of the Dead Lands is still in production. Terrors of the Dead Lands is but one of several "books" that make up the Secrets of the Dead Lands campaign expansion. Yes, they've been updated to 3.5 - per orders of Wizards of the Coast. We were not allowed to post the original manuscripts. The story element you refer to in Dregoth Ascending has not been altered. To my knowledge, only a handful of DMs at Gen Con received playtester's copies of Dregoth Ascending (2E). You would have to track one of them down if you want the original manuscript. We're not allowed to distribute it. Did they give a reason why you can't? The Athas game Gen-Con DM's were the ones that got the copies, they weren't allowed to give them out then, not sure if they are now.
#4 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Mar 21, 2006 8:29:02	Did they give a reason why you can't? The Athas game Gen-Con DM's were the ones that got the copies, they weren't allowed to give them out then, not sure if they are now. I don't believe so. And the Dregoth using Living Vortices to become a God... that was part of Dregoth Ascending's manuscripts.
#5 monastyrski Mar 21, 2006 9:22:35	Wouldn't this include the city states of Kurn and Eldararich (sp?) as well? Or perhaps they are called lost because the other SK's haven't heard from Oronis and Daskinor since the cleansing wars ended. There is a timeline entry about it: 171st King's Age (-1,463) -Silt's Reverence Daskinor Goblin Death slips into insanity following this year's levy, and builds an army to slay the Dragon upon his return the following year. Borys learns of his plot, and not needing the levy to maintain Rajaat's prison never returns. Keltis, Lizard Man Executioner, has an attack of conscience and denounces being a sorcerer-king. Over the next centuries he strives to become something more noble. Because of the actions of nearby Daskinor, Borys never returns to Kurn and both cities become isolated from the rest of Athas. Remember also, those 2 SK's didn't show up to try to reimprison Rajaat in the Cerulean Storm novel as the others did... Remember that Daskinor is insane. As for Oronis, it can be a great plot for a campaign to discover his TRUE reasons.:angelhide Rikus says to Tamar "summon the other champions" "The vassal of my vassal is not my vassal". Borys could have people that he called his champions.
#6 Mulhull Mar 21, 2006 20:37:16	I don't believe so. And the Dregoth using Living Vortices to become a God... that was part of Dregoth Ascending's manuscripts. Which is another screwup I guess this time attributed to Kevin, City by the silt sea says Dregoth can't become a god because there are no conduits to draw power from worshippers, but simply says he won't be able to change that (doesn't say why) no matter what he does.
#7 cnahumck Mar 21, 2006 20:49:30	Which is another screwup I guess this time attributed to Kevin, City by the silt sea says Dregoth can't become a god because there are no conduits to draw power from worshippers, but simply says he won't be able to change that (doesn't say why) no matter what he does. So does athas.org's version of DA. They just leave the option open for a DM to change it if they so choose. The danger of the spell in a traditional "there are no gods" dark sun campaing not that Dregoth's spell works, it can't. The problem is that when it doesn't work all "divine" magic (read from the elemental planes and spirits of the land and SK's) ceases and athas is without them from here on out. This would be BAD, and make life very very very hard for everyone who wasn't undead. life would just suck.
#8 Mulhull Mar 21, 2006 21:06:04	So does athas.org's version of DA. They just leave the option open for a DM to change it if they so choose. The danger of the spell in a traditional "there are no gods" dark sun campaing not that Dregoth's spell works, it can't. The problem is that when it doesn't work all "divine" magic (read from the elemental planes and spirits of the land and SK's) ceases and athas is without them from here on out. This would be BAD, and make life very very very hard for everyone who wasn't undead. life would just suck. I thought only templars spells were supplied via a living vortex by the SK's, that elemental clerics, spirits of the land, perhaps used regular vorticies/something else, I never heard anything saying the living vorticies were the source of ALL elemental magic on Athas, that they aren't just giving the SK's energy to give to thier templars
#9 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Mar 21, 2006 22:44:17	I thought only templars spells were supplied via a living vortex by the SK's, that elemental clerics, spirits of the land, perhaps used regular vorticies/something else, I never heard anything saying the living vorticies were the source of ALL elemental magic on Athas, that they aren't just giving the SK's energy to give to thier templars Actually, he uses "elemental vortices", which tie into the use of all divine magic. DA does a decent enough time explaining this.