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#1 havard Mar 27, 2006 7:38:18	In the latest issue of Dragon, they have some articles on the Core Deities from the PhB. I was thinking it might be a good idea to have a rough conversion list of which immortals correspond best to the D&D3E deties. Suggestions anyone? Håvard
#2 gawain_viii Mar 27, 2006 9:14:46	None of them are going to be exact because GH gods (actually all gods from TSR campaigns) are designed around classical archetypes (god of this, god of that, etc) while the Immortals are forced to fit into the history of the world, as such there is no "God of Magic" or "God of War" since they all fill the archetype in one way or another. But, here's the closest list I can come up with in 5 minutes... Boccob ---> none (possibly post-Mark of Amber Rad? assuming he can re-ascend) Corellon Larethian ---> Illsundal Ehlonna ---> Ordana Erythnul ---> Orcus... maybe Demogorgon Fharlanghn ---> Asterius Garl Glittergold ---> no change Gruumsh ---> Karaash Hieroneous ---> Thor or Halav Hextor ---> Orcus? Demogorgon? Alphaks? Kord ---> none of the major Immortals, maybe one of the minors... Moradin ---> none (Kagyar is close but Moradin excludes Kagyar's artistry) Nerull ---> Thanatos Obad-Hai ---> Terra or Djaea? maybe Zirchev Olidimmara ---> Korotiku? Pelor ---> Ixion St. Cuthbert ---> Tarastia Vecna ---> Masauwu? maybe Hel or Nyx Wee Jas ---> Nyx or Hel Yondalla ---> none (3e halflings and Hin are different in temperment, and the High Heroes don't fit well into the fluffy-bunny picture of 3e halflings) Roger
#3 Cthulhudrew Mar 27, 2006 11:37:50	(Note: If I didn't comment on a choice above, I wholeheartedly agree with the suggestion) Boccob ---> none (possibly post-Mark of Amber Rad? assuming he can re-ascend) I was thinking Khoronus might be a good fit. Palartarkan could work, too. He might be the most direct correlation. Or Pflarr? Ehlonna ---> Ordana Alternatively, possibly Zirchev or Faunus? Erythnul ---> Orcus... maybe Demogorgon I think Alphaks is a closer match. They're both very destructive and chaotic. (Although, IMC, I use Leptar in place of Erythnul.) Gruumsh ---> Karaash I think Karaash actually has a GH correlation (Ilneval, IIRC). Not sure who might make a good alternative to Gruumsh otherwise, though. Hieroneous ---> Thor or Halav Halav is probably a good choice. Maybe Vanya? Hextor ---> Orcus? Demogorgon? Alphaks? If not for the Karaash/Ilneval thing, I'd say Karaash would be a good fit here, especially if Halav = Heironeus Kord ---> none of the major Immortals, maybe one of the minors... I'd say either Thor or Diulanna, possibly. Moradin ---> none (Kagyar is close but Moradin excludes Kagyar's artistry) Agreed. Kagyar is probably the closest choice. Obad-Hai ---> Terra or Djaea? maybe Zirchev I'd go with Terra. Olidimmara ---> Korotiku? Or Eiryndul (though Erevan Ilsere, in the expanded GH pantheon, is a better choice for Eiryndul). St. Cuthbert ---> Tarastia I don't quite know why, but I was thinking Al-Kalim might be a good fit. Or Petra. Vecna ---> Masauwu? maybe Hel or Nyx Masauwu could work. If Barimoor has attained Immortality, I'd make it him. Wee Jas ---> Nyx or Hel Nyx is probably a better choice than Hel. Yondalla ---> none (3e halflings and Hin are different in temperment, and the High Heroes don't fit well into the fluffy-bunny picture of 3e halflings) Based on her portfolio and description, I'd think that Djaea would work for Yondalla (creation, life, fertility)
#4 havard Mar 27, 2006 12:59:37	None of them are going to be exact because GH gods (actually all gods from TSR campaigns) are designed around classical archetypes (god of this, god of that, etc) while the Immortals are forced to fit into the history of the world, as such there is no "God of Magic" or "God of War" since they all fill the archetype in one way or another. But, here's the closest list I can come up with in 5 minutes... Good work Roger! I agree that finding immortals who correspond 100% would be impossible, but I think a list like this can be helpful for people who are familiar with 3E and want to create a character for Mystara. Although slightly more confusing, we could list more than one Mystaran Immortal. This also helps in cases where characters from a certain country aren't available/allowed. I'll be commenting on both Roger's and Cthulhudrew's suggestions below: Boccob ---> none (possibly post-Mark of Amber Rad? assuming he can re-ascend) As Andrew suggests, Parlatarkan or Pflarr are good candidates. I don't want to include Khoronus here though. Alphatia was my original suggestion for this one. Corellon Larethian ---> Illsundal Agreed. Ehlonna ---> Ordana Agreed. Erythnul ---> Orcus... maybe Demogorgon I'd go with Alphaks here. Fharlanghn ---> Asterius Agreed. Garl Glittergold ---> no change Agreed. Gruumsh ---> Karaash I had Karaash here. I don't think the Ilneval argument should carry too much weight, as only the name is used. OTOH, Karaash seems a bit more agreeable than Gruumsh. Hieroneous ---> Thor or Halav I had Vanya here, but now im leaning towards Halav. I have made use of Thor later on... Hextor ---> Orcus? Demogorgon? Alphaks? I think Orcus would be good here. IMC I have Orcus opposing Halav just as much as Karaash, so that means we could preserve the Hierenous (Halav) - Hextor (Orcus) axis if we want to... Kord ---> none of the major Immortals, maybe one of the minors... I'd go with Thor here. Moradin ---> none (Kagyar is close but Moradin excludes Kagyar's artistry) Still, Kagyar is as close as we'll get IMO. Nerull ---> Thanatos Agreed. Obad-Hai ---> Terra or Djaea? maybe Zirchev Terra sounds good here. Olidimmara ---> Korotiku? Korotiku should work. There is another Bard-immortal mentioned in WotI, but I can't remember his name right now... Pelor ---> Ixion Yep! St. Cuthbert ---> Tarastia I agree with this one. I can see Al-Kalim and Petra as well, but Tarastia was the one I had written down originally. Vecna ---> Masauwu? maybe Hel or Nyx Masauwu seems okay here. Wee Jas ---> Nyx or Hel I had Nyx here. Yondalla ---> none (3e halflings and Hin are different in temperment, and the High Heroes don't fit well into the fluffy-bunny picture of 3e halflings) I listed Djaea _and_ the High Heroes, though you are right that the latter don't fit beyond being the ideal Hin Cleric patrons. Håvard
#5 Cthulhudrew Mar 27, 2006 14:00:46	The main problem with the Hextor/Orcus idea, as I see it, is that Hextor is supposed to be a war god, and not just a destructor. Orcus, traditionally, is more associated with the undead (not necessarily on Mystara, I know), and on Mystara he seems to just be a random destuctor. Hextor seems to fit much better with Karaash (a thinking man's warrior) than with Orcus, and Gruumsh doesn't really fit Karaash at all (especially if you ignore the Ilneval bit). I'd say that someone like Orcus fits Gruumsh better than Karaash does. The only thing that Karaash seems to have in common with Gruumsh is that they are both orcs.
#6 eldersphinx Mar 28, 2006 12:13:17	Just as a note - Boccob IMHO maps best to Razud, the oldest and most respected of the Alphatian immortals (and someone who apparently gets very little face time). I'd also have Ehlonna map to Zirchev (younger, more mobile and active, nature as harmony with creatures) and Obad-Hai as Ordana (nature as elemental force). For my 2 copper pieces, in any case.