A dwarf with thick red hair!? (Turin)Silt is quicksand and we can swim through it!? (Passing between North and South Ledopolus, our hero falls in and manages to swim untill a rope is thrown)
Elves accept half-elves as equals!? (Edric and Cricket... and do crickets exist on Athas; shouldn't her name have been Minikank or Wezer Honey :P )
Preservers are generally well-known and well-liked!? ("Hi I follow the preserver path, and what's your name")
Elven tribes and city-dwelling elves are different groups!?
And I'm not done with the book, yet!!!
Ok, venting complete, thanks.
Again, (if Simon Hawke had written that book with another place than Athas in mind) I generally think the book is ok.
The Rise and Fall of a Dragonking and just wonder if the Author's are or were Dark Sun fans or just wanted to sell a book. I am currently writing a story on my favorite Character. Galek Sandstrider from Ur Draxa and back. I dont like how some of the previous writers just threw in characters and places without fleshing them out first and/or researching to make them more plausible. I just got back from my Honeymoon and my new bride couldnt believe I "HAD" to take Dark Sun material with me on our cruise. btw, Crickets are gr8 covered in chocolate
hahaha I agree. I just finished PP again and was re reading Lynn abbey's
The Rise and Fall of a Dragonking and just wonder if the Author's are or were Dark Sun fans or just wanted to sell a book. I am currently writing a story on my favorite Character. Galek Sandstrider from Ur Draxa and back. I dont like how some of the previous writers just threw in characters and places without fleshing them out first and/or researching to make them more plausible. I just got back from my Honeymoon and my new bride couldnt believe I "HAD" to take Dark Sun material with me on our cruise. btw, Crickets are gr8 covered in chocolate
Part of this was due to the communication breakdowns that were happening in TSR. The left hand literally didn't know what the right hand was doing (Abbey had provided her notes she used from Rise & Fall, which showed some of the misconceptions she had to use, because she couldn't find out anything from the game developers for Dark Sun thanks to TSR). Hawke... I dunno what he was smoking when he wrote the series, but there are quite a number of glaring problems with it. Even odd little things like Elves riding Kanks (rather than running) is...weird. But, for all the errors/discrepencies in the novels, little gems of good ideas do poke their way through.
Part of this was due to the communication breakdowns that were happening in TSR. The left hand literally didn't know what the right hand was doing (Abbey had provided her notes she used from Rise & Fall, which showed some of the misconceptions she had to use, because she couldn't find out anything from the game developers for Dark Sun thanks to TSR). Hawke... I dunno what he was smoking when he wrote the series, but there are quite a number of glaring problems with it. Even odd little things like Elves riding Kanks (rather than running) is...weird. But, for all the errors/discrepencies in the novels, little gems of good ideas do poke their way through.
Oh yeah, I totally agree with that. Actually there is no doubt about it, even some of Hawke's ideas are good. I do appreciate Abbey and Denning's work a lot more though.
Oh yeah, I totally agree with that. Actually there is no doubt about it, even some of Hawke's ideas are good. I do appreciate Abbey and Denning's work a lot more though.
The funny thing is... the setting was developed/built around Denning's works... and the discrepencies between what he wrote and the game rules, is because the developers weren't privy to communication with Denning.
And about the "miscommunications", that's usually the problems between human beings.
Muls are created in labs and female humans never survive the pregnancy... hmm, I guess Neeva must have gone to a fertility clinic with Caelum and found an other human woman that was to bear her child so she wouldn't die for the rest of the adventure... yeah, tha's it, that's the ticket!
Also, everybody knows who the dragons are and that they are looking to their metamorphisis and the Veiled Alliance, and the Avangions; yeah all common knowledge, folks (DC 10).
And Kieran is such a good psychologist and knows so much about women.
Ok now I'm really done since I'm done the book. ;)
A little more frustration...
At least Simon Hawke can write better female characters than Denning...
There was quite a few times I wanted to poke my eyes out when I got to some of the Neeva, Sadira and female Tarek parts. I mean at least with Neeva it wasn't too bad because she was more masculine, but still, sheesh.
I have the same issue with Jordan and his cookie cutter women with every once in awhile throwing out one that is from a different mold and still botching that up quite a bit.
Muls are created in labs and female humans never survive the pregnancy... hmm, I guess Neeva must have gone to a fertility clinic with Caelum and found an other human woman that was to bear her child so she wouldn't die for the rest of the adventure... yeah, tha's it, that's the ticket!
lol... yea... I personally run with the notion that Dwarven women have higher Constitution (and Fortitude saves, of course), and generally are able to survive better, while Human women tend to be a bit less durable.
Also, everybody knows who the dragons are and that they are looking to their metamorphisis and the Veiled Alliance, and the Avangions; yeah all common knowledge, folks.
...yea...
At least Simon Hawke can write better female characters than Denning...
There was quite a few times I wanted to poke my eyes out when I got to some of the Neeva, Sadira and female Tarek parts. I mean at least with Neeva it wasn't too bad because she was more masculine, but still, sheesh.
I have the same issue with Jordan and his cookie cutter women with every once in awhile throwing out one that is from a different mold and still botching that up quite a bit.
Agreed. Like I said in the first post, the story and the characters as a whole are ok if they are taken as another planet than Athas.
lol... yea... I personally run with the notion that Dwarven women have higher Constitution (and Fortitude saves, of course), and generally are able to survive better, while Human women tend to be a bit less durable.
Yeah, I understand that, it's just that M. Hawke specifically says that no human women had survived the delivery after being impregnated by Mulark Enterprises.
I say we should start a petition against Mulark Enterprises so that they stop their evil practices on innocent slave women, then take it to the nearest templar to... oh wait, maybe that's not such a good idea. :P
Yeah, I understand that, it's just that M. Hawke specifically says that no human women had survived the delivery after being impregnated by Mulark Enterprises.
I say we should start a petition against Mulark Enterprises so that they stop their evil practices on innocent slave women, then take it to the nearest templar to... oh wait, maybe that's not such a good idea. :P
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