anyone use any of these classes with others and allow gestaulting?
In the furture- I think that I would replace any soulknife with something else if I came across it.
As for monks- I really think that they should be allowed as a core class in DS and not just the psionic monk PrC in the Appendix I.
To answer yu question about gestaulting- well I had to look the word up! I have seen it used around the boards here, but I do not really know how it applies to gaming
does anyone allow the soulknife class into their campaign? what about the psion uncarnate? do you use monks on athas? and last but not least, do you use Elans??
I don't use the Soulknife in my campaign, yet. My monks are from the PHB, not Nyt's Psi-Monks (Sorry, Nyt. :D ). As for Elans, yes, as well as the Maenads, Half-elementals (Not the ones in the DS Revised Box Set that live in Euripis(??) ), Gensai (DS-style, not FR) and a few more. As for the Psion Uncarnate, it's a NPC class in my campaign, unless the PC joins the Order to learn how to become one.
anyone use any of these classes with others and allow gestaulting?
Yeah, Gesalt characters are fun. (Kal, that's where you combine two or more classes, using an average result of their combined HD rolls, it's in Unearthed Arcana.)
anyone use any of these classes with others and allow gestaulting?
Yeah, Gesalt characters are fun. (Kal, that's where you combine two or more classes, using an average result of their combined HD rolls, it's in Unearthed Arcana.)
Kal, both are wrong. It's Gestalt characters. And if they're "fun" is open to personal interpretation (my opinion:
).You take any two classes except two versions of the same class, give them the best hit die from one of the classes, as well as the best Will/Fortitude/Reflex saves from one or the other class, whichever has the best. Skill points are taken from the class that gets the most, so on and so forth, making for an interesting character.
Kal, both are wrong. It's Gestalt characters. And if they're "fun" is open to personal interpretation (my opinion:
Yeah, some DM's consider them a headache and a half, (I've heard the whines from one who runs a FR campaign... :D ) but I and my players enjoy them, it's just up to the individual DM.
I only just put this into effect during my last session and everyone who needed to retrospectively updated their ranks and skills - so as of yet I have not seen any power issues. NPCs that I make will follow the same rules too to it will be realitively equal to the PCs.
I just finished running Tyrian Conspiracy- and the soulknife in there was a bit underwhelming IMO.
In the furture- I think that I would replace any soulknife with something else if I came across it.
As for monks- I really think that they should be allowed as a core class in DS and not just the psionic monk PrC in the Appendix I.
To answer yu question about gestaulting- well I had to look the word up! I have seen it used around the boards here, but I do not really know how it applies to gaming
You may want to take a look at the Lurk class in Complete Psionic once you pick it up
After I run my group through an adventure I wrote when I was a kid- I was going to send it into Dungeon back then- and wrap up a few other plot lines then we will take a brake from DS for a while and one of the other guys will be running a FR game- on the same night and schedule that the DS game is on (we have been playing about a year now and I need some time on the other side of the screen). I am hoping he will let us begin at higher levels though - like 10th or so (I already have a great character planned out and jut need to roll her up.)
After an adventure or two there we will switch back to DS for some Kalthandrix modified DA :evillaugh
does anyone allow the soulknife class into their campaign? what about the psion uncarnate? do you use monks on athas? and last but not least, do you use Elans??
anyone use any of these classes with others and allow gestaulting?
- Soulknife -- no. I still want to look over the class in more detail, and make sure it is balanced the way I play Dark Sun. Currently, it is way overpowered for my campaigns.
- Psion Uncarnate -- never came up.
- Monks -- Yes.
- Elans -- no. I've generally been less than thrilled about many of the races added in the XPH. They just haven't jumped out at me as all that exciting.
- Gestalting -- no. I dislike this level of overpowered campaigns. If I ran one, it would be extremely short-term (like 1 session), and then the time to make gestalt characters would outweigh their overall use in my games.
ok, the thoughts that came to my mind with the classes I mentioned, were simply warrior/buff type classes.. sort of ;)
I was thinking what would happen when you tossed an Elan Psychic Warrior / Monk (Gestalt Character) in with a (race of your choice but I prefer one with a dex bonus, Xeph is decent) Psion - Kineticist (Psion Uncarnate) / Soulknife (Warmind)... (doing the warmind right you'll get a BAB of +17 by level 20, granting 4 attacks a round on into epic levels)...
Imagine the AC bonus potential and the damage potential of both characters.. (especially the monk combo! and remember his resistance to magic also) imagine what could possibly harm the uncarnate soulknife while inside a null-psionics field.. he'd still get use of his soulknife too
a major plus.. then consider what abilities would work of the monk/psywar inside that null-psionics field. he'd still whoop tail, and be extreemly fast.. both would be almost imortal ;) due to their abilities, races, or templates :P (does thought age? :P) anyways, just a thought...I thought that a group of such gestaulted characters might make a tough little village somewhere.. might be useful to attack magic and psionic creatures if they teamed up.. they'd be really tough I think
the eventual enhancement bonuses they'd have on their attacks would make epic attacks wonderful then the Psion's epic powers would help defer other epic spell or psionic users Kal, both are wrong. It's Gestalt characters. And if they're "fun" is open to personal interpretation (my opinion:
I refuse to let gestalt characters in my game. Only D&D 3.5 and DS 3.5 official material and some stuff I find on this board is allowed at my table!
This is all my opinion of course- to each there own. What matters is if you are having fun, right!
I think the whole idea behind the gestalt path to power goes against everything D&D is- I have been playing for almost 19 years now and the idea sickens me.
, why not just say "I win" and then be done with it and go play some videogame or something!Gestalt DM
"OK so these are the rules for making your character: Multigestalt, choose three classes to combine. You get 1 million gold pieces of magic items, but you can't buy any artifacts yet. Role your stats: 4d10 six times drop the lowest die and we're starting at 20th level. You can't have more than two templates and no starting attritbuttes higher then 50."
For example, even in mid-campaign, if the characters recover an artifact that is supposed to bestow great magical power on someone, when the PC's recover it, you can "gestalt" all of thier previous levels with Sorcerer and leave it at that. Infrom them that as they advance in levels, they can continue to gestalt with sorcerer, but with no other class.
Of course, doing it that way won't change skills or hit points...
You take any two classes except two versions of the same class, give them the best hit die from one of the classes, as well as the best Will/Fortitude/Reflex saves from one or the other class, whichever has the best. Skill points are taken from the class that gets the most, so on and so forth, making for an interesting character.
In other words the min-maxer's ultimate wet dream. ;)
Case in point, one of my super min-maxer players was going to run a campaign where you could be nothing but a gestalt character.
Needless to say, I didn't play that time around.
I also wouldn't call the characters created with such rules "interesting".
Now he was a Fighter 21/ Wizard 21 and I have converted him to 3.0 but doing so really hurt him level wise and he would have lost 14 levels (an a lot of power) but my uncle allowed that those of us with really high levels were being really punished with the conversion method and he allowed us to keep all of our levels when the Epic Handbook came out.
Dragonslayer has some PrCs but I cannot recall what they are and he has basically become an NPC as my uncle quit playing D&D. I now use(d) him and his home- the Winter City- as powerful NPCs in some other campaigns I have run.
As for what he does- well it is like his name implys- he is a dragon hunter- the best ever actually.
I only bring this up in relation to the gestalt thing.
I got rid of the bull involving the monk class. Personally, i don't see the use of having some sort of anime junky playing a human that is 3x faster then normal, attacks with 5 attacks (not that big of a deal) but at +15 w/ 2x the damage of a greatsword plus absolutely BULL abilities? Yeah, not happening.
I actually liked the idea of the psi monk and i had something cookin' in the oven similar to such, but i'll still have to keep it baking because there are some modifications not only to my system i'll have to make, but i am not quire sure i'm agreeing with all of it...but still good.
No doubt that DND is meant for the unbelievable...but for the insanely powerful 20 lvl fighter with arms out the bung-hole to be defeated by somebody that strikes well...yeah not buying it
Soulknife = nono in DS campaigns. You can't have somebody pull out a 1d10 sword and have magical penetration right away with no penalties to attack....yeah...that takes away the breaking of weapons/ the penalties associated with such.
Gestalt...if it floats your boat...
Elans along with the other races in XPH...up to you, i jockey between athas.org and dragon's image of darksun...i like staying true to it, but at the same time i like variation...as well as hopeless opression of the sorcerer kings...I like dregoth being in charge, but i miss the fair ex-queen o' raam...and borys...so i jump around a lot with the timeline...
The pyreen being elans sounds...iffy, but a cool thing if you wanna work it that way
There's a lot of things which i have a beef about w/ dnd, but i make due with my extensive house rules.
[EDIT] Never mind- found it. Orzhov Guildmage from the Guild Pact set