Eminent Authority
You are endowed with higher secular authority, despite your focus outside the templarate.
Prerequisites: Secular Authority, Diplomacy 4 ranks
Benefit: Your effective templar level for the secular authority ability increases by 4. This benefit can't increase your templar level higher than your Hit Dice. However, even if you can't benefit from the full bonus immediatelly, if you later gain Hit Dice in levels of nontemplar classes, you might be able to apply the rest of the bonus.
For example, a human 5th-level templar/3rd level fighter who selects this feat would increase his templar level for secular authority from 5th to 8th (since he has 8 Hit Dice). If he later gained a fighter level, he would gain the remainder of the bonus and his templar level for secual authority would become 9th (since he now has 9 Hit Dice).
This feat does not effect your spellcaster level, your spells per day, your spells known, your turn/rebuke undead ability, or the amount of times per day you can use your secual authority ability. It increases your effective templar level for the extent of your secular authority ability while within your city-state, allowing you to preform actions using your secular authority as if you were a templar of higher level.
Special: You may take this feat multiple times. Its effects stack.
That’s all I got- I think this would fill a gap in the current mechanic and having it based on actual templar levels is a good step.
I like it!
That’s all I got- I think this would fill a gap in the current mechanic and having it based on actual templar levels is a good step.
Thanks for the nice reply. I'm still thinking bout how this sentce could be worded better, though:
It increases your templar level for determining what you can do with the secular authority ability.
If it is wording you are worried about, you could just adapt the Practiced Spellcaster feat language to fit this feat.
That's what I did, but this part doesn't match mechanically, so I needed to reword it, but I'm not quite happy as it is now.
It increases the effective templar level for determining the extent of the templar's secular authority ability while within their city-state, allowing them to preform actions using their secular authority as if they were a higher level templar.
It is not as good as I think it could be but...
Benefit: Your templar level for the secular authority ability increases by 4.
@Kalthandrix: I took your sentence (with some changes). I think it's better than the old one, but maybe someone has yet another idea for it. IMHO it still could sound better. No offense. I appriciate your help with this.
Also the fluff would, again IMO, this time around benefit from a bit more description. Just like the descriptive text for each ability score in the PHB mentions the myriads of things that score represents in the game, the feat could mention the myriads of ways where the "accreditation" could come from.
I´m not sure about the Diplomacy 4 ranks requirement. I think Diplomacy 1 rank is sufficient. The wording we can redo later, the content is what matters to me.
Maybe the Diplomacy requirement could be dropped completly, as the benefits of this feat to the secular ability only come with sufficient ranks in Diplomacy? The reason why I kept the 4 ranks Diplomacy ranks as prerequisite was, that I thought only those who have some degrees of expirience in that skill should be able to gain such a benefit.
The name of the feat, IMO, needs to be better, as "accredited" is a bit vague.
I'm open for suggestions, but I like "accredited" and "practiced" doesn't make any sense IMHO.
Also the fluff would, again IMO, this time around benefit from a bit more description. Just like the descriptive text for each ability score in the PHB mentions the myriads of things that score represents in the game, the feat could mention the myriads of ways where the "accreditation" could come from.
Again, any help is welcomed. English is not my native language so don't expect any poems from my side. :P
Again, any help is welcomed. English is not my native language so don't expect any poems from my side. :P
Amen to that! :D
Same situation for me, but most here on the boards don't seem to care if we do our best, and the idea we try to bring forth sounds interesting; two things which I personnaly appreciate.
About your feat: I think its a good addition, useful for the SK's important and powerful servants that are not directly answering to the templarates.
Gets my vote.I like that one and can come up with nothing better (even looked up words in theraurus).
Do you mean Eminent Authority or Accredited Authority?
Eminent Authority --> It just sounds slightly more 'authoritative'.
Ok...that would be 2 votes for Eminent Authotity, 1 against Accredited Authority -> Name changed!
I liked accredited better...
Well, search for more votes! Now it is:
Pro Eminent: 2
Contra Eminent: 0
Pro Accredited: 2
Contra Accredited: 1
Those who are listed in Pro aren't in Contra.
Monarchs representative
Monarchs backing
Monarchs authority
Servants Authority
Authority of the favored
Buericratic(sp?) connections
a little diffrent but it might help to get the creative juices flowing, oh and yes I do love the feat:D
Greater Authority?
They stay in line with existing terms.
Since such a setup would cause trouble, and such a feat is clearly designed to benefit multiclassed templars, I'd say this feat should say that the monarch bestows more authority than you should nromally get, and require something like a Charisma prerequisite, which is normally found in feats related to a boon steming from a higher power.
I.e. the monarch only bestows this boon of higher authority on those that have the strength of personality for it, (read the player can only take the feat if he's worthy/has the high Charisma).
How about this? :
Bengeldorn's Feat
You are endowed with a secular authority as effective as your higher-ranking templar brethren.
Prerequisites: ...
Benefit: ...
Special: ...
Bengeldorn's Feat
Who or what the heck is a Bengeldorn?
Who or what the heck is a Bengeldorn?
That'd be the OP ;)
Who or what the heck is a Bengeldorn?
I don't know.....but it sounds familiar. ;)
Please consider this: If the monarch indeed bestows more authority on his templar, representing the additional 4 levels, then it should be authority the monarch can bestow on any templar, not just those that are multiclassed.
Since such a setup would cause trouble, and such a feat is clearly designed to benefit multiclassed templars, I'd say this feat should say that the monarch bestows more authority than you should nromally get, and require something like a Charisma prerequisite, which is normally found in feats related to a boon steming from a higher power.
Well, the mechanics are based on the practiced spellcaster feat. There, multiclassed spellcaster are the ones the benefit from it. I think it's a matter of regulating the mechanics, I wouldn't change it. I can't remember that allows you to get class features of a class you posses but who's level you couldn't poses (be it class level or character level).
Improved Authority?
Greater Authority?
They stay in line with existing terms.
I don't know, but I guess there could be feats designed with those names, that do something different, for example give new features for secular authority.
Preliminary election result:
Pro Eminent Authority: 3
Contra Eminent Authority: 0
Pro Accredited Authority: 2
Contra Accredited Authority: 0
Pro Favoured Authority: 1
Contra Favoured Authority: 0
I didn't name the other suggestions, as I couldn't see what the actual vote is, but those who have allready voted, can still change their vote.
That'd be the OP ;)
?The One Power? - Wrong system.
How quit playing with me and and tell me what the heck it is, please!?The One Power? - Wrong system.
I think it means Original Poster.
I think it means Original Poster.
WOW- I need to lay off the lead paint chips and put my cans of compressed air away!!
Sorry B- you know your one of my German homies!
[crawls under bed for more paint]
WOW- I need to lay off the lead paint chips and put my cans of compressed air away!!
Sorry B- you know your one of my German homies!
[crawls under bed for more paint]
Don't worry..we all have once in a while one of these moments. ;)
The intent of the feat is to allow multi-class templars to keep up with their templar colleagues. If the feat allows you to exceed your character level for secular authority priveleges, then you haven't solved the problem, since ordinary templars could take the feat and keep ahead.
That's it, what I meant. My side of it is that the introductory fluff should reflect this, unless you want to have your players think a multiclassed templar is actually more favoured or accredited than a full-fledged one if he takes that feat.
That's it, what I meant. My side of it is that the introductory fluff should reflect this, unless you want to have your players think a multiclassed templar is actually more favoured or accredited than a full-fledged one if he takes that feat.
I think I now get you. You are only talking of the introduction of the feat (The text between the Name and Prerequsite) and not of the mechanics of the feat. You're saying, that if the text stays as the way it is, people might think, that multiclassed templar are more powerfull than characters with the templar class only. But if you think that the original text would imply that, yours could imply that every multiclassed templar could use his secular authority as a templar with equal class levels in the templar class than the multiclassed character would have in character levels. And this is not quite correct. Your effictive templar level for determining your abilities of secular authority increase only by 4 levels.
There is still a problem, I see with this feat or the secular authority class feature. Characters, who don't have diplomacy as a class skill, would have it very hard to fullfill the needed ranks for the secular authority abilities, whilst those, who have Diplomacy as a class skill (like cleric), would be favored. Maybe another feat, that would have secular authority as a prerequisite and provide having the diplomacy skill as a class skill for one or all classes, could solve this problem. What do you think?
There is still a problem, I see with this feat or the secular authority class feature. Characters, who don't have diplomacy as a class skill, would have it very hard to fullfill the needed ranks for the secular authority abilities, whilst those, who have Diplomacy as a class skill (like cleric), would be favored. Maybe another feat, that would have secular authority as a prerequisite and provide having the diplomacy skill as a class skill for one or all classes, could solve this problem. What do you think?
Keep in mind, once Diplomacy is a class skill, it's always a class skill with regards to max ranks. This just means a multi-class templar who wants to maintain his secular authority will have to spend two skill points per rank of diplomacy. I see no problem with this, as it ought to take extra effort for a templar who is not primarily a templar to match one who is. After all they're getting some other benefit for multiclassing.
What you have so far is fine minus the flavor text issues and multiclass characters should be less effective in Diplomacy if it isn't a class skill, that's kinda the whole point of wanting to take a class that has it as a class skill.
Yeah, let's not go out of way to make multiclassing just as equal with single-classed characters in regards to secular authority, otherwise the system is going to start breaking down pretty quickly.
What you have so far is fine minus the flavor text issues and multiclass characters should be less effective in Diplomacy if it isn't a class skill, that's kinda the whole point of wanting to take a class that has it as a class skill.
Ok
v2.0:
You are endowed with a higher secular authority than your rank would normally permit.
Yeah, my fluff is not up to par yet.
v2.0:You are endowed with a higher secular authority than your rank would normally permit.
Sounds ok to me.
You are endowed with a higher secular authority than your rank would normally permit.
The term rank could be confusing. If you have higher secular authority, you have higher rank.
"You are endowed with higher secular authority." is sufficient, compared to the Practiced Spellcaster feat description. If we want to improve on the Practiced Spellcaster description, we could add "You are endowed with higher secular authority, despite your focus outside the templarate."
You are endowed with higher secular authority, despite your focus outside the templarate.
Sounds even better.
