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Pristine Tower Transmutation Effects

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#1
kalthandrix
May 16, 2006 13:10:45 Hey a thought just came to me and I wanted to run it by you fellers here.

Now- everyone knows that the transmutation effect around the tower effects anything that get wounded in such a way that it draws the creatures blood ir cuts them right.

So- if a group of players knew about this ahead of time, they could avoid being changed by having either a bunch of potion fruits or spells of gaseous form, or some other ability that basically renders them incorporeal for a time.

Thoughts?
#2
Sysane
May 16, 2006 13:18:48 It would work to a point. Gaseous form grants DR 10/magic. So, the characters can still be techincally wounded.
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dirk00001
May 16, 2006 13:46:01 Pretty much anything that prevents wounds will work, so that sounds feasible. On the other hand, if the group has a good reason to go to the tower then one or more villains probably have a reason to stop them, and a Dispel Magic cast on a group of flying gaseous characters is likely to result in a painful fall and subsequent mutations.

As for what Sysane said, I'm not so sure being hurt while in a non-bleeding form would cause a mutation; I really don't know what to think about that. I guess you'd end up thinking everything was okay until the gaseous form ended, at which point you'd suddenly find yourself in pain and realize that your physical body was mutating the whole time.
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Sysane
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From DA part III:
When a character takes a minimum of 1 point damage within the radius of influence of the Pristine Tower, that character is subject to wild mutationIf you go by

that alone, then they would mutate. The only instance that it does not affect a character I've seen is if the character is undead as pointed out in DAIII.
#5
lyric
May 19, 2006 17:59:56 what if the character is in a non organic form? Like say, if the character adopts a metalic, rock, or obsidian form.. a wooden form might catch teh disease..... thoughts? would a plantlike character be immune?
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dirk00001
May 19, 2006 18:55:23
what if the character is in a non organic form? Like say, if the character adopts a metalic, rock, or obsidian form.. a wooden form might catch teh disease..... thoughts? would a plantlike character be immune?

First off, given that there are the only "mutant" creatures in the Bogo forest are animals - no mention of bizarre trees - I'm inclined to say that it only applies to animal life. There's also the chance that the mutational properties of the Pristine Tower really only affect "intelligent" life - again, although there are some strange creatures there (the bogo snake and the mole boar), they are composed of breeding populations, and as with any creature living in the wild the odds of them never getting hurt is pretty much nil. Plus, the halflings intended for the tower to mutate themselves into other creatures...so, yet another reason why it might not apply to other things.

However, as far as a transmuted creature goes, although I don't think that the mutation would happen at that time, unless the character is fully healed by the time they revert back to their normal form they'll instantly start mutating. For creatures in incorporeal or gaseous form, but that (aside from their consistency) still retain their "original" shape, would probably start mutating the moment they were injured. Same thing if you were polymorphed into a different creature - whatever mutations happened to it would transfer back to you when the spell ended.
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terminus_vortexa
May 20, 2006 14:51:04
There's also the chance that the mutational properties of the Pristine Tower really only affect "intelligent" life.

The Pristine Tower affects any animal life that BLEEDS. The blood is the catalyst. The Erdlu that Sadira and her sister kill in The Amber Enchantress mutates when they kill it, and even during the slaughtering, but the Floaters do not mutate, even when they consume a kicking, biting, thrashing Erdlu, because the Floaters do not possess blood, much like a jellyfish.I do not think you would get mutated if injured while in gaseous form, unless you were bleeding when you re-substantiated.
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dirk00001
May 20, 2006 23:56:59
The Pristine Tower affects any animal life that BLEEDS. The blood is the catalyst. The Erdlu that Sadira and her sister kill in The Amber Enchantress mutates when they kill it, and even during the slaughtering, but the Floaters do not mutate, even when they consume a kicking, biting, thrashing Erdlu, because the Floaters do not possess blood, much like a jellyfish.I do not think you would get mutated if injured while in gaseous form, unless you were bleeding when you re-substantiated.

Erk, good point - I'd forgotten about the erdlu.

Although that does bring up the question of why there was no mention of them running into any other mutated creatures...if there are at least 2 species native to the area (bogo snakes and mole boars), you'd think there'd be a heckuva lot of mutations wandering (/slithering/galumphing/etc.) around.
#9
j0lt
May 22, 2006 4:41:02 I was playing a high-powered DS campaign with Gestalt characters as well as two of the characters having templates. My character was the only one without a template, and I was woefully underpowered. (a knife-throwing Halfling). My character got injured (don't ask) quite by accident, and for the mutation, my DM added the Insectile template, which at first was strange, but it fit with my character and turned out to be a huge benefit.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 kalthandrix May 16, 2006 13:10:45	Hey a thought just came to me and I wanted to run it by you fellers here. Now- everyone knows that the transmutation effect around the tower effects anything that get wounded in such a way that it draws the creatures blood ir cuts them right. So- if a group of players knew about this ahead of time, they could avoid being changed by having either a bunch of potion fruits or spells of gaseous form, or some other ability that basically renders them incorporeal for a time. Thoughts?
#2 Sysane May 16, 2006 13:18:48	It would work to a point. Gaseous form grants DR 10/magic. So, the characters can still be techincally wounded.
#3 dirk00001 May 16, 2006 13:46:01	Pretty much anything that prevents wounds will work, so that sounds feasible. On the other hand, if the group has a good reason to go to the tower then one or more villains probably have a reason to stop them, and a Dispel Magic cast on a group of flying gaseous characters is likely to result in a painful fall and subsequent mutations. As for what Sysane said, I'm not so sure being hurt while in a non-bleeding form would cause a mutation; I really don't know what to think about that. I guess you'd end up thinking everything was okay until the gaseous form ended, at which point you'd suddenly find yourself in pain and realize that your physical body was mutating the whole time.
#4 Sysane May 16, 2006 14:20:37	DA part III Spoiler: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : From DA part III: When a character takes a minimum of 1 point damage within the radius of influence of the Pristine Tower, that character is subject to wild mutationIf you go by that alone, then they would mutate. The only instance that it does not affect a character I've seen is if the character is undead as pointed out in DAIII.
#5 lyric May 19, 2006 17:59:56	what if the character is in a non organic form? Like say, if the character adopts a metalic, rock, or obsidian form.. a wooden form might catch teh disease..... thoughts? would a plantlike character be immune?
#6 dirk00001 May 19, 2006 18:55:23	what if the character is in a non organic form? Like say, if the character adopts a metalic, rock, or obsidian form.. a wooden form might catch teh disease..... thoughts? would a plantlike character be immune? First off, given that there are the only "mutant" creatures in the Bogo forest are animals - no mention of bizarre trees - I'm inclined to say that it only applies to animal life. There's also the chance that the mutational properties of the Pristine Tower really only affect "intelligent" life - again, although there are some strange creatures there (the bogo snake and the mole boar), they are composed of breeding populations, and as with any creature living in the wild the odds of them never getting hurt is pretty much nil. Plus, the halflings intended for the tower to mutate themselves into other creatures...so, yet another reason why it might not apply to other things. However, as far as a transmuted creature goes, although I don't think that the mutation would happen at that time, unless the character is fully healed by the time they revert back to their normal form they'll instantly start mutating. For creatures in incorporeal or gaseous form, but that (aside from their consistency) still retain their "original" shape, would probably start mutating the moment they were injured. Same thing if you were polymorphed into a different creature - whatever mutations happened to it would transfer back to you when the spell ended.
#7 terminus_vortexa May 20, 2006 14:51:04	There's also the chance that the mutational properties of the Pristine Tower really only affect "intelligent" life. The Pristine Tower affects any animal life that BLEEDS. The blood is the catalyst. The Erdlu that Sadira and her sister kill in The Amber Enchantress mutates when they kill it, and even during the slaughtering, but the Floaters do not mutate, even when they consume a kicking, biting, thrashing Erdlu, because the Floaters do not possess blood, much like a jellyfish.I do not think you would get mutated if injured while in gaseous form, unless you were bleeding when you re-substantiated.
#8 dirk00001 May 20, 2006 23:56:59	The Pristine Tower affects any animal life that BLEEDS. The blood is the catalyst. The Erdlu that Sadira and her sister kill in The Amber Enchantress mutates when they kill it, and even during the slaughtering, but the Floaters do not mutate, even when they consume a kicking, biting, thrashing Erdlu, because the Floaters do not possess blood, much like a jellyfish.I do not think you would get mutated if injured while in gaseous form, unless you were bleeding when you re-substantiated. Erk, good point - I'd forgotten about the erdlu. Although that does bring up the question of why there was no mention of them running into any other mutated creatures...if there are at least 2 species native to the area (bogo snakes and mole boars), you'd think there'd be a heckuva lot of mutations wandering (/slithering/galumphing/etc.) around.
#9 j0lt May 22, 2006 4:41:02	I was playing a high-powered DS campaign with Gestalt characters as well as two of the characters having templates. My character was the only one without a template, and I was woefully underpowered. (a knife-throwing Halfling). My character got injured (don't ask) quite by accident, and for the mutation, my DM added the Insectile template, which at first was strange, but it fit with my character and turned out to be a huge benefit.