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Glue in Athas

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#1
zombiegleemax
May 31, 2006 14:04:35 How would you make glue in athas since horses don't exist. I'm assuming their is glue...

Reason asking, an NPC mul is going to have rope/leather bindings on his hands and have glass (obsidian) glued to them...help me out with ideas plz.
#2
terminus_vortexa
May 31, 2006 14:17:51 Some type of insect secretion, most likely. Or maybe soak the bandages in Erdlu egg whites and let them.
#3
mystictheurge
May 31, 2006 14:26:54
Some type of insect secretion, most likely. Or maybe soak the bandages in Erdlu egg whites and let them.

Or a plant by-product. Carnivorous plants, like the Pitcher Plant or the Venus Flytrap, often secrete sticky substances to catch their prey. It stands to reason that ones that have grown to capture larger creatures would produce more, and stickier, substances.
#4
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
May 31, 2006 15:14:10
Or a plant by-product. Carnivorous plants, like the Pitcher Plant or the Venus Flytrap, often secrete sticky substances to catch their prey. It stands to reason that ones that have grown to capture larger creatures would produce more, and stickier, substances.

If not potentially mildly paralyzing.
#5
Sysane
May 31, 2006 15:34:27 Everyone knows that glue on Athas is made from the Cleansed Races.

"Soylent glue is people!" :P
#6
zombiegleemax
May 31, 2006 17:06:58 A quick look on Wikipedia revealed that

"The first adhesives were gums and other plant resins. Archaeologists have found 6000-year-old ceramic vessels that had broken and been repaired using plant resin."
So, as MysticTheurge said, plants would probably be the best option.
A tree-like cactus resin perhaps? Rubber trees grow in tropical conditions, so I'm sure a similar plant with gluey resin could be found in the jungles of Athas.

Apparently the Babylonians also used a tar-like glue; I can't see why people would be unable to produce that on Athas either.
#7
Pennarin
May 31, 2006 19:05:41 There's also animal glue, among them some made of hoof, tendons, whatever. Anything with collagen will do.

From Wikipedia, on Animal glue:
An animal glue is an adhesive that is created by prolonged boiling of animal connective tissue. These protein colloid glues are formed through hydrolysis of the collagen from skins, bones, tendons, and other tissues, similar to gelatin. The word "collagen" itself derives from Greek kolla, glue. These proteins form a molecular bond with the glued object.
#8
mystictheurge
May 31, 2006 19:26:54 Or maybe it's just magic.
#9
zombiegleemax
May 31, 2006 20:55:51 thanks for the info and inspiration.
#10
zombiegleemax
Jun 01, 2006 8:19:47 Cave men used to chew an onion like forest plant(which could be a cactus plant on Athas) and spit out a glue like substance to help them create tools.

They made bows and arrows in such manner and I suppose that on Athas most of the multi part weapons(Draj sword, macawitluh whatsitsname) are created and hardened with adhesives comkbined with wood-cord or leather bindings...

I suppose that trading houses make big money on selling a lot of fresh glue substances.

Tendons and hooves would be prized for glue, but they also have other more useful uses (like bowstrings and armor production) and hoof/horn byproducts would be much easier discarded, boiled and made into a glue.
#11
dirk00001
Jun 01, 2006 9:47:32 There are a million and one ways to make a glue-like substance, so that shouldn't be an issue. In fact, I'd rule that anyone with Survival (DC 15ish or so) and a day of scrounging could come up with either "natural glue" (requiring no real processing but not all that strong) or enough raw materials for someone with the appropriate Craft skill to make the equivalent of alchemical glue. Just like Athasians had to learn how to make weapons, armor and other tools out of non-metal materials, you can assume that any other relatively low-tech item or substance has also been developed using readily-available materials.
#12
zombiegleemax
Jun 01, 2006 13:05:51 Don't forget about Kreen spit! thats how the make there chalck... um thown weapons a special spit mixed with sand. you can find out more on it in the tri-keen of athas book.
#13
radnovius
Jun 01, 2006 13:23:38 I could have sworn that Athasian glue was made of ground up halflings.

No really you can buy Almar's Glue at any market (it's the one with the carru head on the front).
#14
Pennarin
Jun 01, 2006 18:17:55
I could have sworn that Athasian glue was made of ground up halflings.

No really you can buy Almar's Glue at any market (it's the one with the carru head on the front).

Those bottle labels read "May contain dwelf and elfling bits." :P
#15
radnovius
Jun 01, 2006 18:41:04 Does that mean that the Cleansing Knights would boycott it, or are they the ones who make it? Genocide is a tough business with probably not the best income. It would be good if they could profit a little by it.

Has someone seriously created a dwelf?
I guess they'd have +2 Dex and -2 Cha.
Favored class would have to be a Ranger.
They could have an elven build with a dwarven height.

Alternatively, they could be called Mulfs
Then they would have +4 Str, +2 Dex and -2 Cha and level adj +1.
Favored class would have to be a Gladiator.
They could have a dwarven build with an elven height.
#16
zombiegleemax
Jun 02, 2006 0:31:35
Does that mean that the Cleansing Knights would boycott it, or are they the ones who make it? Genocide is a tough business with probably not the best income. It would be good if they could profit a little by it.

Has someone seriously created a dwelf?
I guess they'd have +2 Dex and -2 Cha.
Favored class would have to be a Ranger.
They could have an elven build with a dwarven height.

Alternatively, they could be called Mulfs
Then they would have +4 Str, +2 Dex and -2 Cha and level adj +1.
Favored class would have to be a Gladiator.
They could have a dwarven build with an elven height.

Mulfs from darwen mother and dwelf from elven mother....
#17
the_peacebringer
Jun 02, 2006 16:06:58 Ock'n (spelling?) produce a substance that dries up to form an amber-like material that I guess could be used as glue.

Mulfs? It kinda sounds like really warm and comfortable mittens... :P
#18
radnovius
Jun 02, 2006 20:27:12 Actually, mulf made me think about the movie American Pie.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax May 31, 2006 14:04:35	How would you make glue in athas since horses don't exist. I'm assuming their is glue... Reason asking, an NPC mul is going to have rope/leather bindings on his hands and have glass (obsidian) glued to them...help me out with ideas plz.
#2 terminus_vortexa May 31, 2006 14:17:51	Some type of insect secretion, most likely. Or maybe soak the bandages in Erdlu egg whites and let them.
#3 mystictheurge May 31, 2006 14:26:54	Some type of insect secretion, most likely. Or maybe soak the bandages in Erdlu egg whites and let them. Or a plant by-product. Carnivorous plants, like the Pitcher Plant or the Venus Flytrap, often secrete sticky substances to catch their prey. It stands to reason that ones that have grown to capture larger creatures would produce more, and stickier, substances.
#4 xlorepdarkhelm_dup May 31, 2006 15:14:10	Or a plant by-product. Carnivorous plants, like the Pitcher Plant or the Venus Flytrap, often secrete sticky substances to catch their prey. It stands to reason that ones that have grown to capture larger creatures would produce more, and stickier, substances. If not potentially mildly paralyzing.
#5 Sysane May 31, 2006 15:34:27	Everyone knows that glue on Athas is made from the Cleansed Races. "Soylent glue is people!" :P
#6 zombiegleemax May 31, 2006 17:06:58	A quick look on Wikipedia revealed that "The first adhesives were gums and other plant resins. Archaeologists have found 6000-year-old ceramic vessels that had broken and been repaired using plant resin." So, as MysticTheurge said, plants would probably be the best option. A tree-like cactus resin perhaps? Rubber trees grow in tropical conditions, so I'm sure a similar plant with gluey resin could be found in the jungles of Athas. Apparently the Babylonians also used a tar-like glue; I can't see why people would be unable to produce that on Athas either.
#7 Pennarin May 31, 2006 19:05:41	There's also animal glue, among them some made of hoof, tendons, whatever. Anything with collagen will do. From Wikipedia, on Animal glue: An animal glue is an adhesive that is created by prolonged boiling of animal connective tissue. These protein colloid glues are formed through hydrolysis of the collagen from skins, bones, tendons, and other tissues, similar to gelatin. The word "collagen" itself derives from Greek kolla, glue. These proteins form a molecular bond with the glued object.
#8 mystictheurge May 31, 2006 19:26:54	Or maybe it's just magic.
#9 zombiegleemax May 31, 2006 20:55:51	thanks for the info and inspiration.
#10 zombiegleemax Jun 01, 2006 8:19:47	Cave men used to chew an onion like forest plant(which could be a cactus plant on Athas) and spit out a glue like substance to help them create tools. They made bows and arrows in such manner and I suppose that on Athas most of the multi part weapons(Draj sword, macawitluh whatsitsname) are created and hardened with adhesives comkbined with wood-cord or leather bindings... I suppose that trading houses make big money on selling a lot of fresh glue substances. Tendons and hooves would be prized for glue, but they also have other more useful uses (like bowstrings and armor production) and hoof/horn byproducts would be much easier discarded, boiled and made into a glue.
#11 dirk00001 Jun 01, 2006 9:47:32	There are a million and one ways to make a glue-like substance, so that shouldn't be an issue. In fact, I'd rule that anyone with Survival (DC 15ish or so) and a day of scrounging could come up with either "natural glue" (requiring no real processing but not all that strong) or enough raw materials for someone with the appropriate Craft skill to make the equivalent of alchemical glue. Just like Athasians had to learn how to make weapons, armor and other tools out of non-metal materials, you can assume that any other relatively low-tech item or substance has also been developed using readily-available materials.
#12 zombiegleemax Jun 01, 2006 13:05:51	Don't forget about Kreen spit! thats how the make there chalck... um thown weapons a special spit mixed with sand. you can find out more on it in the tri-keen of athas book.
#13 radnovius Jun 01, 2006 13:23:38	I could have sworn that Athasian glue was made of ground up halflings. No really you can buy Almar's Glue at any market (it's the one with the carru head on the front).
#14 Pennarin Jun 01, 2006 18:17:55	I could have sworn that Athasian glue was made of ground up halflings. No really you can buy Almar's Glue at any market (it's the one with the carru head on the front). Those bottle labels read "May contain dwelf and elfling bits." :P
#15 radnovius Jun 01, 2006 18:41:04	Does that mean that the Cleansing Knights would boycott it, or are they the ones who make it? Genocide is a tough business with probably not the best income. It would be good if they could profit a little by it. Has someone seriously created a dwelf? I guess they'd have +2 Dex and -2 Cha. Favored class would have to be a Ranger. They could have an elven build with a dwarven height. Alternatively, they could be called Mulfs Then they would have +4 Str, +2 Dex and -2 Cha and level adj +1. Favored class would have to be a Gladiator. They could have a dwarven build with an elven height.
#16 zombiegleemax Jun 02, 2006 0:31:35	Does that mean that the Cleansing Knights would boycott it, or are they the ones who make it? Genocide is a tough business with probably not the best income. It would be good if they could profit a little by it. Has someone seriously created a dwelf? I guess they'd have +2 Dex and -2 Cha. Favored class would have to be a Ranger. They could have an elven build with a dwarven height. Alternatively, they could be called Mulfs Then they would have +4 Str, +2 Dex and -2 Cha and level adj +1. Favored class would have to be a Gladiator. They could have a dwarven build with an elven height. Mulfs from darwen mother and dwelf from elven mother....
#17 the_peacebringer Jun 02, 2006 16:06:58	Ock'n (spelling?) produce a substance that dries up to form an amber-like material that I guess could be used as glue. Mulfs? It kinda sounds like really warm and comfortable mittens... :P
#18 radnovius Jun 02, 2006 20:27:12	Actually, mulf made me think about the movie American Pie.