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#1
theredrobedwizard
Jun 06, 2006 8:32:09 Ok, so it's probably not the end of anything except the first Age of Mortals adventure arc. Never the less, the campaign is shaping up to be a huge one worthy of the Dragonlance name.

On to the real question: Can we actually expect this one on the release date on Dragonlance.com? Will it be delayed like KoD and SoS were? I've got players itching to play it; hopefully if it is delayed, it's not delayed as long as the other two were.

Please, please tell me it's on time and as scheduled so far.

-TRRW
#2
frostdawn
Jun 06, 2006 16:13:24
Ok, so it's probably not the end of anything except the first Age of Mortals adventure arc. Never the less, the campaign is shaping up to be a huge one worthy of the Dragonlance name.

On to the real question: Can we actually expect this one on the release date on Dragonlance.com? Will it be delayed like KoD and SoS were? I've got players itching to play it; hopefully if it is delayed, it's not delayed as long as the other two were.

Please, please tell me it's on time and as scheduled so far.

-TRRW

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but PoC has already hit the same level of delays as it's 2 predecessors. IIRC, it was originally scheduled to be released back in September 2005. Then December, then January, then April, now July. Looks like KoA is going to be delayed next as we haven't received a word on it, and by now, we would have received a sneak peak, status update or something. Not a peep.

So far, the only products I've seen to come out on time have been the 2 map pouches. Legends of the Twins wasn't too bad in terms of being on time IIRC.

As long as the quality of the products continues to be as good as it's been though, I don't mind all that much. Slightly annoyed, but no biggie.
#3
theredrobedwizard
Jun 06, 2006 20:31:24 Well, I was aware of it being pushed back all the way to July of this year; I was just wondering if there'd been any further delays that hadn't been posted on the DL Nexus/Dragonlance.com

-TRRW
#4
zombiegleemax
Jun 06, 2006 22:46:55
, we would have received a sneak peak, status update or something. Not a peep.

There was a sneak peek, like the whole first chapter or something crazy like that.

EDIT: In fact right here it is http://www.dragonlance.com/products/enhancements/10030.aspx
#5
frostdawn
Jun 07, 2006 10:18:20
Well, I was aware of it being pushed back all the way to July of this year; I was just wondering if there'd been any further delays that hadn't been posted on the DL Nexus/Dragonlance.com

-TRRW

Not yet. Guess we'll have to wait and see when July rolls around. Sorry. :P
#6
frostdawn
Jun 07, 2006 10:20:02
There was a sneak peek, like the whole first chapter or something crazy like that.

EDIT: In fact right here it is http://www.dragonlance.com/products/enhancements/10030.aspx

Yes, that's the sneak peak for PoC, and I knew about that one. I was referring to a sneak peak for KoA (Knights of Ansalon)- it's supposed to release this month, but there hasn't been any announcements of any kind regarding it, making me wonder if it will be delayed as well.
#7
zombiegleemax
Jun 07, 2006 10:55:53
Looks like KoA is going to be delayed next as we haven't received a word on it, and by now, we would have received a sneak peak, status update or something. Not a peep.

At the moment, it's up to Wizards of the Coast when Knightly Orders of Ansalon will be released. According to Sovereign Press it has been shipped off for approval and as I understand it, the book will be sent off to the printer as soon as Wizards of the Coast has ok'ed the book.

As for Price of Courage, well no news on that front but it seems to me that since they've released the sneak peak the adventure is very well on its way to the consumers. Just my thoughts.

Ravenmantle
#8
valharic
Jun 07, 2006 11:39:32 Yes, i wounldn't expect to see KoA until August or September. Probably the same for PoC.
#9
frostdawn
Jun 07, 2006 12:01:51
At the moment, it's up to Wizards of the Coast when Knightly Orders of Ansalon will be released. According to Sovereign Press it has been shipped off for approval and as I understand it, the book will be sent off to the printer as soon as Wizards of the Coast has ok'ed the book.

Yeah, but PoC hasn't been released yet either, and we have a preview for it. We got a preview for ToHS before it was released, same with LotT and HOotS. KOoA is supposed to release this month, and we haven't gotten a preview or anything. And the previews are usually released with the caveat that they are still 'works in progress' so things may/will change between the preview and the final product. So even if KOoA is in the hands of WotC, then what's the hold up on the preview? I understand it's a nice little something SP does for the fans, releasing a preview and everything, but if they do it for virtually all of their products, and suddenly not do it for a pending project, it makes one wonder if something went horribly wrong with the product, resulting in a delay of some sort.

As for Price of Courage, well no news on that front but it seems to me that since they've released the sneak peak the adventure is very well on its way to the consumers. Just my thoughts.

Except the preview came out back in either March or April, prior to one of the older projected release dates. If that preview came out several months before the product will actually hit store shelves, what's the deal with KOoA, particularly in light of the fact that it's 'supposed' to release this month?

Maybe it has something to do with the Lord of the Rose series and KOoA making the approval process a little more touchy this time around? Dunno.
#10
zombiegleemax
Jun 07, 2006 13:26:04 Sadly it seems that SOV Press can not ever really get their act together when it comes to deadlines and publishing things on time. Is there any reason why a preview of the Knights book has not been given to fans yet? Or maybe they should just tell us that the book will be published later than they expect (yet again). For people living on a budget, which I think most of us are, this is not good, all of the delays I mean, especially if there is no information forth coming either way.
#11
cam_banks
Jun 07, 2006 13:57:46 The dates provided (on Dragonlance.com, or sent to distributors in advance, etc) are only forecast dates and not deadlines. If everything goes as planned, the book should come out on that date, based on such things as time to outline, write, edit, layout, proof, approve, and print. But things never go as planned in the publishing business.

Cheers,
Cam
#12
zombiegleemax
Jun 07, 2006 14:01:04 Things dont go according to plan for SoV Press.
#13
darthsylver
Jun 07, 2006 14:42:32 Personally I would just quit giving out dates. Then you could not be held to any date (which SOV isn't anyway) but then you also would not have to worry about fans heating up the e-boards with demands about deadlines. I would just say "sometime in the future" we will be releasing said product and leave it at that.
#14
frostdawn
Jun 07, 2006 15:24:48
Personally I would just quit giving out dates. Then you could not be held to any date (which SOV isn't anyway) but then you also would not have to worry about fans heating up the e-boards with demands about deadlines. I would just say "sometime in the future" we will be releasing said product and leave it at that.

I agree. It seems it would be a bit wiser to forecast expected products for a given year, instead of forecasting a date to a particular month, getting everyone's hopes up only to be met with disappointment (for SP as well as the fans). As frustrating as it is for the fans, I imagine it's every bit as annoying for SP since these products are revenue waiting to be made. Delays on a product also delay profits.
#15
zombiegleemax
Jun 08, 2006 17:26:31 Delays are annoying for everyone involved, I agree. However, when patterns develop around these topics, something bodes for naught in Palanthas.
#16
zombiegleemax
Jun 10, 2006 13:50:51 Actually stopped playing DL because the delays were so frustrating. The DM and his wife also just had their second child but the delay hurts the flow of game so the group lost interest.

There should not be a solid date set for release if the deadlines cannot be met. Entire comic book companies have gone bankrupt for problems like this. People lose jobs for failing to meet deadlines, (I know I would).

It is a testament to the popularity of the setting and the dedication of the fans that SoVP has not gone down already.
#17
zombiegleemax
Jun 12, 2006 19:52:25 I agree with you on this Petra. If I didnt love DL I wouldnt put up with the delays.
#18
theredrobedwizard
Jun 12, 2006 22:57:01 It's not Sovereign Press's fault for most of these delays. The problem is on the WotC side of things; they have to approve everything that Sovereign Press releases for Dragonlance. If WotC doesn't feel like proofing it right away, it might sit there for 10 months taking up desk space.

So don't automatically cast blame at Jamie and the other awesome people at Sovereign Press; it's not usually their fault.

-TRRW
#19
zombiegleemax
Jun 13, 2006 9:53:01 Common sense would dictate that if you knew people would act in such a way, delaying prodcuts, you would have them done that much earlier in order to minimize the often very great delay of release. The old saying, Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me rings true.
#20
wizo_sith
Jun 13, 2006 16:23:48 Wizards of the Coast's Online Forums are not the correct venue from which to make complaints about another company's adherence to an announced release schedule.

Wizard's of the Coast has no control over Soveriegn Press, they are a seperate and distince creative and corporate entity.

This thread is off-topic and will be locked. Please do not restart it or similar discussions.

*Click*

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 theredrobedwizard Jun 06, 2006 8:32:09	Ok, so it's probably not the end of anything except the first Age of Mortals adventure arc. Never the less, the campaign is shaping up to be a huge one worthy of the Dragonlance name. On to the real question: Can we actually expect this one on the release date on Dragonlance.com? Will it be delayed like KoD and SoS were? I've got players itching to play it; hopefully if it is delayed, it's not delayed as long as the other two were. Please, please tell me it's on time and as scheduled so far. -TRRW
#2 frostdawn Jun 06, 2006 16:13:24	Ok, so it's probably not the end of anything except the first Age of Mortals adventure arc. Never the less, the campaign is shaping up to be a huge one worthy of the Dragonlance name. On to the real question: Can we actually expect this one on the release date on Dragonlance.com? Will it be delayed like KoD and SoS were? I've got players itching to play it; hopefully if it is delayed, it's not delayed as long as the other two were. Please, please tell me it's on time and as scheduled so far. -TRRW Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but PoC has already hit the same level of delays as it's 2 predecessors. IIRC, it was originally scheduled to be released back in September 2005. Then December, then January, then April, now July. Looks like KoA is going to be delayed next as we haven't received a word on it, and by now, we would have received a sneak peak, status update or something. Not a peep. So far, the only products I've seen to come out on time have been the 2 map pouches. Legends of the Twins wasn't too bad in terms of being on time IIRC. As long as the quality of the products continues to be as good as it's been though, I don't mind all that much. Slightly annoyed, but no biggie.
#3 theredrobedwizard Jun 06, 2006 20:31:24	Well, I was aware of it being pushed back all the way to July of this year; I was just wondering if there'd been any further delays that hadn't been posted on the DL Nexus/Dragonlance.com -TRRW
#4 zombiegleemax Jun 06, 2006 22:46:55	, we would have received a sneak peak, status update or something. Not a peep. There was a sneak peek, like the whole first chapter or something crazy like that. EDIT: In fact right here it is http://www.dragonlance.com/products/enhancements/10030.aspx
#5 frostdawn Jun 07, 2006 10:18:20	Well, I was aware of it being pushed back all the way to July of this year; I was just wondering if there'd been any further delays that hadn't been posted on the DL Nexus/Dragonlance.com -TRRW Not yet. Guess we'll have to wait and see when July rolls around. Sorry. :P
#6 frostdawn Jun 07, 2006 10:20:02	There was a sneak peek, like the whole first chapter or something crazy like that. EDIT: In fact right here it is http://www.dragonlance.com/products/enhancements/10030.aspx Yes, that's the sneak peak for PoC, and I knew about that one. I was referring to a sneak peak for KoA (Knights of Ansalon)- it's supposed to release this month, but there hasn't been any announcements of any kind regarding it, making me wonder if it will be delayed as well.
#7 zombiegleemax Jun 07, 2006 10:55:53	Looks like KoA is going to be delayed next as we haven't received a word on it, and by now, we would have received a sneak peak, status update or something. Not a peep. At the moment, it's up to Wizards of the Coast when Knightly Orders of Ansalon will be released. According to Sovereign Press it has been shipped off for approval and as I understand it, the book will be sent off to the printer as soon as Wizards of the Coast has ok'ed the book. As for Price of Courage, well no news on that front but it seems to me that since they've released the sneak peak the adventure is very well on its way to the consumers. Just my thoughts. Ravenmantle
#8 valharic Jun 07, 2006 11:39:32	Yes, i wounldn't expect to see KoA until August or September. Probably the same for PoC.
#9 frostdawn Jun 07, 2006 12:01:51	At the moment, it's up to Wizards of the Coast when Knightly Orders of Ansalon will be released. According to Sovereign Press it has been shipped off for approval and as I understand it, the book will be sent off to the printer as soon as Wizards of the Coast has ok'ed the book. Yeah, but PoC hasn't been released yet either, and we have a preview for it. We got a preview for ToHS before it was released, same with LotT and HOotS. KOoA is supposed to release this month, and we haven't gotten a preview or anything. And the previews are usually released with the caveat that they are still 'works in progress' so things may/will change between the preview and the final product. So even if KOoA is in the hands of WotC, then what's the hold up on the preview? I understand it's a nice little something SP does for the fans, releasing a preview and everything, but if they do it for virtually all of their products, and suddenly not do it for a pending project, it makes one wonder if something went horribly wrong with the product, resulting in a delay of some sort. As for Price of Courage, well no news on that front but it seems to me that since they've released the sneak peak the adventure is very well on its way to the consumers. Just my thoughts. Except the preview came out back in either March or April, prior to one of the older projected release dates. If that preview came out several months before the product will actually hit store shelves, what's the deal with KOoA, particularly in light of the fact that it's 'supposed' to release this month? Maybe it has something to do with the Lord of the Rose series and KOoA making the approval process a little more touchy this time around? Dunno.
#10 zombiegleemax Jun 07, 2006 13:26:04	Sadly it seems that SOV Press can not ever really get their act together when it comes to deadlines and publishing things on time. Is there any reason why a preview of the Knights book has not been given to fans yet? Or maybe they should just tell us that the book will be published later than they expect (yet again). For people living on a budget, which I think most of us are, this is not good, all of the delays I mean, especially if there is no information forth coming either way.
#11 cam_banks Jun 07, 2006 13:57:46	The dates provided (on Dragonlance.com, or sent to distributors in advance, etc) are only forecast dates and not deadlines. If everything goes as planned, the book should come out on that date, based on such things as time to outline, write, edit, layout, proof, approve, and print. But things never go as planned in the publishing business. Cheers, Cam
#12 zombiegleemax Jun 07, 2006 14:01:04	Things dont go according to plan for SoV Press.
#13 darthsylver Jun 07, 2006 14:42:32	Personally I would just quit giving out dates. Then you could not be held to any date (which SOV isn't anyway) but then you also would not have to worry about fans heating up the e-boards with demands about deadlines. I would just say "sometime in the future" we will be releasing said product and leave it at that.
#14 frostdawn Jun 07, 2006 15:24:48	Personally I would just quit giving out dates. Then you could not be held to any date (which SOV isn't anyway) but then you also would not have to worry about fans heating up the e-boards with demands about deadlines. I would just say "sometime in the future" we will be releasing said product and leave it at that. I agree. It seems it would be a bit wiser to forecast expected products for a given year, instead of forecasting a date to a particular month, getting everyone's hopes up only to be met with disappointment (for SP as well as the fans). As frustrating as it is for the fans, I imagine it's every bit as annoying for SP since these products are revenue waiting to be made. Delays on a product also delay profits.
#15 zombiegleemax Jun 08, 2006 17:26:31	Delays are annoying for everyone involved, I agree. However, when patterns develop around these topics, something bodes for naught in Palanthas.
#16 zombiegleemax Jun 10, 2006 13:50:51	Actually stopped playing DL because the delays were so frustrating. The DM and his wife also just had their second child but the delay hurts the flow of game so the group lost interest. There should not be a solid date set for release if the deadlines cannot be met. Entire comic book companies have gone bankrupt for problems like this. People lose jobs for failing to meet deadlines, (I know I would). It is a testament to the popularity of the setting and the dedication of the fans that SoVP has not gone down already.
#17 zombiegleemax Jun 12, 2006 19:52:25	I agree with you on this Petra. If I didnt love DL I wouldnt put up with the delays.
#18 theredrobedwizard Jun 12, 2006 22:57:01	It's not Sovereign Press's fault for most of these delays. The problem is on the WotC side of things; they have to approve everything that Sovereign Press releases for Dragonlance. If WotC doesn't feel like proofing it right away, it might sit there for 10 months taking up desk space. So don't automatically cast blame at Jamie and the other awesome people at Sovereign Press; it's not usually their fault. -TRRW
#19 zombiegleemax Jun 13, 2006 9:53:01	Common sense would dictate that if you knew people would act in such a way, delaying prodcuts, you would have them done that much earlier in order to minimize the often very great delay of release. The old saying, Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me rings true.
#20 wizo_sith Jun 13, 2006 16:23:48	Wizards of the Coast's Online Forums are not the correct venue from which to make complaints about another company's adherence to an announced release schedule. Wizard's of the Coast has no control over Soveriegn Press, they are a seperate and distince creative and corporate entity. This thread is off-topic and will be locked. Please do not restart it or similar discussions. *Click*