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Dragon Shamen to Templare Conversion Help

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#1
Oninotaki
Jun 16, 2006 13:15:37 Ok I have decided that mechanicly the dragon shamen(from players Handbook 2) is more of what I want for a templar then an actual full on divine spell caster.

The changes I have decided on so far are as follows:
I need help making a new chart to replace the totem dragon chart with. Basically I want to have a chart that lists each sorceror monacrh and what is the acceptable alignment, class skills, and whether the breath weapon(renamed to Monarchs wrath) is a line or a cone

1st level=added Secular authority, totem dragon becomes Monarch, Draconic Aura becomes Monarchs Influence
3rd level= I need help coming up with a new list to replace the one in Players handbook 2 for the Draconic adaptation. Instead of having one power for each dragon I want one power for each monarch(who most likely is a dragon lol)
4th level= Breath weapon becomes monarchs wrath and works just like a breath weapon except it does force damage. Draconic Resolve renamed Monarchs resolve
7th level= instead of getting natural armor it becomes a deflection bonus to ac
9th level= immunity to force damage
14th level=commune with dragon spirit becomes commune with Monarch
19th level=I dont know what to replace draconic wings with yet, and am thinking of leaving it blank, since this version gets secular authority and deflection bonuses to ac instead of natural armor ones.

I really like the feel of this class for a number of reasons
1st: it gives the templar the ability to bolster the soldiers of their monarch with their aura
2nd:they can smite the enemies of their monarch with their monarchs wrath ability
3rd: their monarch gives them extra protection the higher level(aka more favored) they become
4th: they end up with a small ability to heal which I think would also be helpfull to bolster their monarchs troops just enough to turn the tide of a battle but not step on the feet of clerics
5th: High level templars are given the ability to talk directly with their monarch
6th: It makes Templars immune to the offensive blasts that they can release thus leading to much more political infighting among the same templar branch, and more champions duels/one on one combat among the templars of different sorceror monarchs

Finally the number 1 reason I prefer this class to a full 9th level divine caster that we have always seen in the rules section of Darksun, is because I have never in any piece of darksun fluff have I ever read has a templar used a single ability that would indicate that they too have a spell list lol.

So now that I posted all this I plead with you, please help me fine tune this into a perfect templar alternative(mostly by helping me with the 2 previousely mentioned charts as I suck at assigning powers to specific monarchs/making domains/anything that is a chart with powers lol :D :D
I need the chart to have every monarch that has had a city from the 1st and 2nd darksun box sets to be in both of these charts, monarchs that had cities before but are dead by the time of the 1st box set would be nice but not needed.

Oh and I also need help with the skill list since I dont know what skill list to give them because different monarchs will give them different bonus class skills

Thanks in advance
#2
fnordbear
Jun 16, 2006 15:12:10 I rather like your idea.

That said for skills I would concentrate on social skills, perhaps a base grouping of 5-6 class skills like bluff, diplomacy, intimidate, sense motive, profession , and craft. The add bonus skills based on the Sorceror King they serve.

Other wise I would also add a bit about ex templars loosing thier abilities unless allied with another sorceror king.

Hrm, perhaps also have them able to call in a favor so many times a week worth a certain amount of money based on a level mechanic.

Food for thought
#3
Oninotaki
Jun 16, 2006 22:00:32 Hmm that seems like a good idea on the basic skill list, now I just need to come up with 4 seperate unique skills for each sorceror monarch.

Oh and thanks for liking my idea :D that made my day :D However I am a little disappointed that I have 23 views and only one comment
#4
fnordbear
Jun 17, 2006 14:38:22 I had 60 something views on the prestige class board to a PRC I wrote and the only replies were my own bumps :P Dont feel bad

I tend to think positive and believe if no one comments on it I probably got it right the first time.

A little delusion never hurt anyone.
#5
Oninotaki
Jun 17, 2006 15:18:19
I had 60 something views on the prestige class board to a PRC I wrote and the only replies were my own bumps :P Dont feel bad

I tend to think positive and believe if no one comments on it I probably got it right the first time.

A little delusion never hurt anyone.

Lol thats what I tend to think too lol. Anyway I think I am going to try to write a quick chart to get people going
Sorceror Monarch Monarchs' Wrath Acceptable Alignment Monarchs Power(at will)
Kalak Cone NE,CE,CN
Borys Line NE,LE,LN
Hamanu Line NE,LE,LN Battlefield Healing
Daskinor Cone NE,CE,CN Zone of Truth
Oronis Cone NG,CG,CN
Lalali-Puy Line NE,LE,LN
Nibenay Cone NE,LE,LN Entrall
Dregoth Cone NE,LE,LN
Daskinor Cone NE,CE,CN
Kalid-Ma Line NE,CE,CN
Andropiniss Line NE,LE,LN Surface walk
Tectuktitlay Cone NE,CE,CN Death Knell
Sielba Line NE,LE,CN
Albach-Re Cone NE,CE,CN

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#1 Oninotaki Jun 16, 2006 13:15:37	Ok I have decided that mechanicly the dragon shamen(from players Handbook 2) is more of what I want for a templar then an actual full on divine spell caster. The changes I have decided on so far are as follows: I need help making a new chart to replace the totem dragon chart with. Basically I want to have a chart that lists each sorceror monacrh and what is the acceptable alignment, class skills, and whether the breath weapon(renamed to Monarchs wrath) is a line or a cone 1st level=added Secular authority, totem dragon becomes Monarch, Draconic Aura becomes Monarchs Influence 3rd level= I need help coming up with a new list to replace the one in Players handbook 2 for the Draconic adaptation. Instead of having one power for each dragon I want one power for each monarch(who most likely is a dragon lol) 4th level= Breath weapon becomes monarchs wrath and works just like a breath weapon except it does force damage. Draconic Resolve renamed Monarchs resolve 7th level= instead of getting natural armor it becomes a deflection bonus to ac 9th level= immunity to force damage 14th level=commune with dragon spirit becomes commune with Monarch 19th level=I dont know what to replace draconic wings with yet, and am thinking of leaving it blank, since this version gets secular authority and deflection bonuses to ac instead of natural armor ones. I really like the feel of this class for a number of reasons 1st: it gives the templar the ability to bolster the soldiers of their monarch with their aura 2nd:they can smite the enemies of their monarch with their monarchs wrath ability 3rd: their monarch gives them extra protection the higher level(aka more favored) they become 4th: they end up with a small ability to heal which I think would also be helpfull to bolster their monarchs troops just enough to turn the tide of a battle but not step on the feet of clerics 5th: High level templars are given the ability to talk directly with their monarch 6th: It makes Templars immune to the offensive blasts that they can release thus leading to much more political infighting among the same templar branch, and more champions duels/one on one combat among the templars of different sorceror monarchs Finally the number 1 reason I prefer this class to a full 9th level divine caster that we have always seen in the rules section of Darksun, is because I have never in any piece of darksun fluff have I ever read has a templar used a single ability that would indicate that they too have a spell list lol. So now that I posted all this I plead with you, please help me fine tune this into a perfect templar alternative(mostly by helping me with the 2 previousely mentioned charts as I suck at assigning powers to specific monarchs/making domains/anything that is a chart with powers lol :D :D I need the chart to have every monarch that has had a city from the 1st and 2nd darksun box sets to be in both of these charts, monarchs that had cities before but are dead by the time of the 1st box set would be nice but not needed. Oh and I also need help with the skill list since I dont know what skill list to give them because different monarchs will give them different bonus class skills Thanks in advance
#2 fnordbear Jun 16, 2006 15:12:10	I rather like your idea. That said for skills I would concentrate on social skills, perhaps a base grouping of 5-6 class skills like bluff, diplomacy, intimidate, sense motive, profession , and craft. The add bonus skills based on the Sorceror King they serve. Other wise I would also add a bit about ex templars loosing thier abilities unless allied with another sorceror king. Hrm, perhaps also have them able to call in a favor so many times a week worth a certain amount of money based on a level mechanic. Food for thought
#3 Oninotaki Jun 16, 2006 22:00:32	Hmm that seems like a good idea on the basic skill list, now I just need to come up with 4 seperate unique skills for each sorceror monarch. Oh and thanks for liking my idea :D that made my day :D However I am a little disappointed that I have 23 views and only one comment
#4 fnordbear Jun 17, 2006 14:38:22	I had 60 something views on the prestige class board to a PRC I wrote and the only replies were my own bumps :P Dont feel bad I tend to think positive and believe if no one comments on it I probably got it right the first time. A little delusion never hurt anyone.
#5 Oninotaki Jun 17, 2006 15:18:19	I had 60 something views on the prestige class board to a PRC I wrote and the only replies were my own bumps :P Dont feel bad I tend to think positive and believe if no one comments on it I probably got it right the first time. A little delusion never hurt anyone. Lol thats what I tend to think too lol. Anyway I think I am going to try to write a quick chart to get people going Sorceror Monarch Monarchs' Wrath Acceptable Alignment Monarchs Power(at will) Kalak Cone NE,CE,CN Borys Line NE,LE,LN Hamanu Line NE,LE,LN Battlefield Healing Daskinor Cone NE,CE,CN Zone of Truth Oronis Cone NG,CG,CN Lalali-Puy Line NE,LE,LN Nibenay Cone NE,LE,LN Entrall Dregoth Cone NE,LE,LN Daskinor Cone NE,CE,CN Kalid-Ma Line NE,CE,CN Andropiniss Line NE,LE,LN Surface walk Tectuktitlay Cone NE,CE,CN Death Knell Sielba Line NE,LE,CN Albach-Re Cone NE,CE,CN