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Heroic Surge, overpowered?

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#1
yukarjama
Jun 21, 2006 11:41:06 There is a feat in War of Lance called Heroic Surge, it can let you perform one extra attack or move action once per round per day. For every four levels you gain, you can have one additonal usage of a day.

Is this feat overpowered? And does a character use his highest attack bonus for the extra attack?
#2
cam_banks
Jun 21, 2006 13:41:17 No, it's not overpowered. It's actually shared by a number of other D&D products. It's in d20 Star Wars, for instance.

And yes, it's at your normal attack bonus.

Cheers,
Cam
#3
zombiegleemax
Jun 21, 2006 16:15:11 It is a pretty good feat that I have seen people use, in a Star Wars game, but I think that it would also fit a knight or a body guard type character.
#4
brettscho
Jun 22, 2006 17:54:29 Actually, it is interesting that you mention that. I am not really confortable with giving my players an extra standard action, particually mages. It smacks of 3.0 haste to me. I prefer a slightly altered feat which I have taken to calling "Burst of Speed" which does the exact same thing as Heroic Surge, except that you only gain extra move actions. I guess that I don't mind a fighter moving and getting a full attack as much as I mind two normal spells (and sometimes a quickened spell) in a single round . . . but perhaps that is just me. Oh, and I realize that I sort of stole the name "Burst of Speed" from Star Wars, but it was the best name that I could come up with. Anyways, I suggest it as an alternative to Heroic Surge.
#5
clarkvalentine
Jun 22, 2006 19:18:39 I'm fairly certain Heroic Surge is worded in such a way that it specifically forbids using it to cast a second spell.
#6
theredrobedwizard
Jun 22, 2006 20:54:40 I do believe that the actions listed are "move" or "attack"; not "move" or "standard" - thus precluding someone casting two spells.

-TRRW
#7
zombiegleemax
Jun 24, 2006 8:21:26 The feat does not work like the 3.0 version of the Haste spell. Reading the description and definitions as a review can be helpful.
#8
yukarjama
Jun 25, 2006 8:44:05
The feat does not work like the 3.0 version of the Haste spell. Reading the description and definitions as a review can be helpful.

I'm glad it doesn't work like 3.0 haste, but still it's a useful feat. I wish I could see more feats designed for dragonlance only.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 yukarjama Jun 21, 2006 11:41:06	There is a feat in War of Lance called Heroic Surge, it can let you perform one extra attack or move action once per round per day. For every four levels you gain, you can have one additonal usage of a day. Is this feat overpowered? And does a character use his highest attack bonus for the extra attack?
#2 cam_banks Jun 21, 2006 13:41:17	No, it's not overpowered. It's actually shared by a number of other D&D products. It's in d20 Star Wars, for instance. And yes, it's at your normal attack bonus. Cheers, Cam
#3 zombiegleemax Jun 21, 2006 16:15:11	It is a pretty good feat that I have seen people use, in a Star Wars game, but I think that it would also fit a knight or a body guard type character.
#4 brettscho Jun 22, 2006 17:54:29	Actually, it is interesting that you mention that. I am not really confortable with giving my players an extra standard action, particually mages. It smacks of 3.0 haste to me. I prefer a slightly altered feat which I have taken to calling "Burst of Speed" which does the exact same thing as Heroic Surge, except that you only gain extra move actions. I guess that I don't mind a fighter moving and getting a full attack as much as I mind two normal spells (and sometimes a quickened spell) in a single round . . . but perhaps that is just me. Oh, and I realize that I sort of stole the name "Burst of Speed" from Star Wars, but it was the best name that I could come up with. Anyways, I suggest it as an alternative to Heroic Surge.
#5 clarkvalentine Jun 22, 2006 19:18:39	I'm fairly certain Heroic Surge is worded in such a way that it specifically forbids using it to cast a second spell.
#6 theredrobedwizard Jun 22, 2006 20:54:40	I do believe that the actions listed are "move" or "attack"; not "move" or "standard" - thus precluding someone casting two spells. -TRRW
#7 zombiegleemax Jun 24, 2006 8:21:26	The feat does not work like the 3.0 version of the Haste spell. Reading the description and definitions as a review can be helpful.
#8 yukarjama Jun 25, 2006 8:44:05	The feat does not work like the 3.0 version of the Haste spell. Reading the description and definitions as a review can be helpful. I'm glad it doesn't work like 3.0 haste, but still it's a useful feat. I wish I could see more feats designed for dragonlance only.