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The Blue Age and humans during the Cleansing Wars

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#1
zombiegleemax
Jul 24, 2006 8:32:05 What was the big draw human armies in the Cleansing Wars had towards the Blue Age? What lies did Rajaat tell them to make living on an ocean-world seem so attractive, attractive enough that all other races must die to pave the way for its return? Was it more of a racist genocide for humanity, with the extermination of non-humans being the primary effort, and the Blue Age being more of a side effect of that final "victory"? Or did humanity literally believe that a world covered in water would be paradise for them?

After all, the Green Age was hardly an Age of discomfort or terror. Psionocracies ruled the land, arcane magic had been revealed at last, and temples to a multitude of (admittedly false) gods dominated the landscape. It was pretty much a paradise already. So, whenceforth came all the fervor and hate and fanaticism?

--how did Rajaat convince humanity the Second Blue Age would be paradise? NB
#2
lurking_shadow
Jul 24, 2006 11:18:30 Well, I'm not so sure the Green Age was so great a paradise. For instance, criminals were dealt with by having their minds extracted and then inserted into obsidian orbs for eternal slavery... and the definition of what constitutes a criminal or not can be a little mercurial depending on those psionocrats. Anyway, I doubt Rajaat told them how the Blue Age really was. He just told them it was an era of untold marvels and true happiness, made a lot of stuff up and claimed humans were the "chosen" ones who were charged with bringing about a new Blue Age - and charged with ruling it.
#3
zombiegleemax
Jul 24, 2006 11:35:18 I also dubt that the Blue Age was even cited in the recluitment for any cleansing army, as i figure out the "cleansing wars" was a term invented by historians many century after them beginned, at the start, i can see many Campions protraing the "tusk" as a noble crusade to get rid of specific enimies who happened to be nonhuman, even the elves and the dwarvs with enough propaganda will play the part of the inhuman monsters.

Also: Who said that the cleansing armies where human only organizations? If Dregoth was after the giant hre will have use for dwarven giantslayers... may be he even pointed out that Boris was using giant as siege weapons agains their cities....
#4
dirk00001
Jul 24, 2006 13:35:46 No real reason to cite the Blue Age - the combatants of the Cleansing Wars were mostly human as humankind above all other creatures seem to have the capability of justifying just about any action, no matter how evil it may be; Rajaat knew this, and figured it into his plans accordingly. For some it was a matter of killing off "those evil (insert race name here)," for others it was a job, and after the first couple decades the war was probably self-perpetuating anway - the races being slaughtered focused on the entire human race as the aggressors, which resulted in said races "justifying" their need for destruction by fighting back against humans (including those that weren't involved in the war), which brought more humans to fight against the other races, etc. The entire war was a build-up, not something instant - it started with the destruction of the preservers, then moved on to the eradication of the goblinoid races, etc. There was no need to even mention that there was some sort of ultimate goal to the conflict - it was simply a war between races that had been started under false pretenses, by small groups of individuals, but which escalated to the equivalent of a world war.
#5
zombiegleemax
Jul 27, 2006 14:21:54
I also dubt that the Blue Age was even cited in the recluitment for any cleansing army, as i figure out the "cleansing wars" was a term invented by historians many century after them beginned, at the start, i can see many Campions protraing the "tusk" as a noble crusade to get rid of specific enimies who happened to be nonhuman, even the elves and the dwarvs with enough propaganda will play the part of the inhuman monsters.

Also: Who said that the cleansing armies where human only organizations? If Dregoth was after the giant hre will have use for dwarven giantslayers... may be he even pointed out that Boris was using giant as siege weapons agains their cities....

Unfortunately for you, the Blue Age was mentioned to the cleansing armies, as Tamar and her fellow wraiths were eager for Borys to die so Rajaat could return and "bring forth the new Blue Age." I'd say the Blue Age was a powerful recruiting tool.

--which again leads to why humanity thought an ocean-world was "pure" NB
#6
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
Jul 27, 2006 14:34:21
Unfortunately for you, the Blue Age was mentioned to the cleansing armies, as Tamar and her fellow wraiths were eager for Borys to die so Rajaat could return and "bring forth the new Blue Age." I'd say the Blue Age was a powerful recruiting tool.

--which again leads to why humanity thought an ocean-world was "pure" NB

Borys could have mentioned it, as a recruiting tool. He could have twisted it around to serve his own ends, or just provided the twisted version that Rajaat gave to his closest followers.
#7
zombiegleemax
Jul 28, 2006 2:24:31
Unfortunately for you,

Unluky me! (stupid surfer coralhugger wraiths)
#8
zombiegleemax
Jul 28, 2006 13:39:27
Borys could have mentioned it, as a recruiting tool. He could have twisted it around to serve his own ends, or just provided the twisted version that Rajaat gave to his closest followers.

True. But all "good" racists (I use the term derisively, of course, as there are no good racists) paint pretty pictures of what the world will be like once the so-called "impure" are dealt with. Hence why I stand by my belief that the cult of the Blue Age was very, very strong in the armies of the Champions. Hence, why the mass majority of humankind now distrust and hate the sorcerer-kings: Though their non-human hate and xenophobia has faded to dust, and now even the reasons for distrusting the sorcerer-kings're long forgotten, the fact remains that humans wanted the Blue Age, and their "holy" Champions imprisoned the "messiah" and turned away from purity.

--I like my Athas to have solid reasons for all its cultural kinks and quirks NB
#9
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
Jul 28, 2006 14:38:20
True. But all "good" racists (I use the term derisively, of course, as there are no good racists) paint pretty pictures of what the world will be like once the so-called "impure" are dealt with. Hence why I stand by my belief that the cult of the Blue Age was very, very strong in the armies of the Champions. Hence, why the mass majority of humankind now distrust and hate the sorcerer-kings: Though their non-human hate and xenophobia has faded to dust, and now even the reasons for distrusting the sorcerer-kings're long forgotten, the fact remains that humans wanted the Blue Age, and their "holy" Champions imprisoned the "messiah" and turned away from purity.

--I like my Athas to have solid reasons for all its cultural kinks and quirks NB

Once again, significantly altered from what the Blue Age was. Rajaat was spinning lies about what race was in charge, he could have spun lies as to what the Blue Age really was. It could have been just as easily something he put across as a world where the humans were everything and everywhere, and could have left out the details about a world completely covered by water.

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#1 zombiegleemax Jul 24, 2006 8:32:05	What was the big draw human armies in the Cleansing Wars had towards the Blue Age? What lies did Rajaat tell them to make living on an ocean-world seem so attractive, attractive enough that all other races must die to pave the way for its return? Was it more of a racist genocide for humanity, with the extermination of non-humans being the primary effort, and the Blue Age being more of a side effect of that final "victory"? Or did humanity literally believe that a world covered in water would be paradise for them? After all, the Green Age was hardly an Age of discomfort or terror. Psionocracies ruled the land, arcane magic had been revealed at last, and temples to a multitude of (admittedly false) gods dominated the landscape. It was pretty much a paradise already. So, whenceforth came all the fervor and hate and fanaticism? --how did Rajaat convince humanity the Second Blue Age would be paradise? NB
#2 lurking_shadow Jul 24, 2006 11:18:30	Well, I'm not so sure the Green Age was so great a paradise. For instance, criminals were dealt with by having their minds extracted and then inserted into obsidian orbs for eternal slavery... and the definition of what constitutes a criminal or not can be a little mercurial depending on those psionocrats. Anyway, I doubt Rajaat told them how the Blue Age really was. He just told them it was an era of untold marvels and true happiness, made a lot of stuff up and claimed humans were the "chosen" ones who were charged with bringing about a new Blue Age - and charged with ruling it.
#3 zombiegleemax Jul 24, 2006 11:35:18	I also dubt that the Blue Age was even cited in the recluitment for any cleansing army, as i figure out the "cleansing wars" was a term invented by historians many century after them beginned, at the start, i can see many Campions protraing the "tusk" as a noble crusade to get rid of specific enimies who happened to be nonhuman, even the elves and the dwarvs with enough propaganda will play the part of the inhuman monsters. Also: Who said that the cleansing armies where human only organizations? If Dregoth was after the giant hre will have use for dwarven giantslayers... may be he even pointed out that Boris was using giant as siege weapons agains their cities....
#4 dirk00001 Jul 24, 2006 13:35:46	No real reason to cite the Blue Age - the combatants of the Cleansing Wars were mostly human as humankind above all other creatures seem to have the capability of justifying just about any action, no matter how evil it may be; Rajaat knew this, and figured it into his plans accordingly. For some it was a matter of killing off "those evil (insert race name here)," for others it was a job, and after the first couple decades the war was probably self-perpetuating anway - the races being slaughtered focused on the entire human race as the aggressors, which resulted in said races "justifying" their need for destruction by fighting back against humans (including those that weren't involved in the war), which brought more humans to fight against the other races, etc. The entire war was a build-up, not something instant - it started with the destruction of the preservers, then moved on to the eradication of the goblinoid races, etc. There was no need to even mention that there was some sort of ultimate goal to the conflict - it was simply a war between races that had been started under false pretenses, by small groups of individuals, but which escalated to the equivalent of a world war.
#5 zombiegleemax Jul 27, 2006 14:21:54	I also dubt that the Blue Age was even cited in the recluitment for any cleansing army, as i figure out the "cleansing wars" was a term invented by historians many century after them beginned, at the start, i can see many Campions protraing the "tusk" as a noble crusade to get rid of specific enimies who happened to be nonhuman, even the elves and the dwarvs with enough propaganda will play the part of the inhuman monsters. Also: Who said that the cleansing armies where human only organizations? If Dregoth was after the giant hre will have use for dwarven giantslayers... may be he even pointed out that Boris was using giant as siege weapons agains their cities.... Unfortunately for you, the Blue Age was mentioned to the cleansing armies, as Tamar and her fellow wraiths were eager for Borys to die so Rajaat could return and "bring forth the new Blue Age." I'd say the Blue Age was a powerful recruiting tool. --which again leads to why humanity thought an ocean-world was "pure" NB
#6 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Jul 27, 2006 14:34:21	Unfortunately for you, the Blue Age was mentioned to the cleansing armies, as Tamar and her fellow wraiths were eager for Borys to die so Rajaat could return and "bring forth the new Blue Age." I'd say the Blue Age was a powerful recruiting tool. --which again leads to why humanity thought an ocean-world was "pure" NB Borys could have mentioned it, as a recruiting tool. He could have twisted it around to serve his own ends, or just provided the twisted version that Rajaat gave to his closest followers.
#7 zombiegleemax Jul 28, 2006 2:24:31	Unfortunately for you, Unluky me! (stupid surfer coralhugger wraiths)
#8 zombiegleemax Jul 28, 2006 13:39:27	Borys could have mentioned it, as a recruiting tool. He could have twisted it around to serve his own ends, or just provided the twisted version that Rajaat gave to his closest followers. True. But all "good" racists (I use the term derisively, of course, as there are no good racists) paint pretty pictures of what the world will be like once the so-called "impure" are dealt with. Hence why I stand by my belief that the cult of the Blue Age was very, very strong in the armies of the Champions. Hence, why the mass majority of humankind now distrust and hate the sorcerer-kings: Though their non-human hate and xenophobia has faded to dust, and now even the reasons for distrusting the sorcerer-kings're long forgotten, the fact remains that humans wanted the Blue Age, and their "holy" Champions imprisoned the "messiah" and turned away from purity. --I like my Athas to have solid reasons for all its cultural kinks and quirks NB
#9 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Jul 28, 2006 14:38:20	True. But all "good" racists (I use the term derisively, of course, as there are no good racists) paint pretty pictures of what the world will be like once the so-called "impure" are dealt with. Hence why I stand by my belief that the cult of the Blue Age was very, very strong in the armies of the Champions. Hence, why the mass majority of humankind now distrust and hate the sorcerer-kings: Though their non-human hate and xenophobia has faded to dust, and now even the reasons for distrusting the sorcerer-kings're long forgotten, the fact remains that humans wanted the Blue Age, and their "holy" Champions imprisoned the "messiah" and turned away from purity. --I like my Athas to have solid reasons for all its cultural kinks and quirks NB Once again, significantly altered from what the Blue Age was. Rajaat was spinning lies about what race was in charge, he could have spun lies as to what the Blue Age really was. It could have been just as easily something he put across as a world where the humans were everything and everywhere, and could have left out the details about a world completely covered by water.