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#1
zombiegleemax
Jul 30, 2006 10:15:22 I have a question regarding Dalamar. In the Age of Mortal book he is stated out as a 7th level mage and 10th Black Robed Wizard. In Legends of the Twins he has levels in Archmage. Am I to understand that the Legends entries is what he would have been if Takihisis had not stolen Krynn?
#2
cam_banks
Jul 30, 2006 10:45:31 That's what alternate histories are for yes.

Cheers,
Cam
#3
zombiegleemax
Jul 30, 2006 12:08:54 Yeah, so in Age of Mortals, he is weaker, so you and your gang can gang up on him! Steal his items!
#4
zombiegleemax
Jul 30, 2006 14:10:49 I would not want to face the Master of the Black Robes at any level!
#5
ares
Jul 31, 2006 19:54:14
I would not want to face the Master of the Black Robes at any level!

I like Dalamar. I'd like to think that his would be a kind of evil that a PC could have in a party and not be disruptive.

That aside, I've never been impressed with Dalamar in terms of power. He reminds me of a line used in KOTOR 2: "Your sad fate is to give so much for power, and recieve so little."
Suits Dalamar to a "T".
#6
zombiegleemax
Aug 01, 2006 16:47:19 I think that Dalamar lives on the reputation on being a spy for the Conclave and being Raistlin's apprentice.
#7
AdrianLP
Aug 07, 2006 9:55:24
I like Dalamar. I'd like to think that his would be a kind of evil that a PC could have in a party and not be disruptive.

What do yo mean? I've not read Dalamar the Dark. What makes him a playable evil. For that matter, what does make him evil?
#8
mindolin
Aug 07, 2006 11:56:01 What makes Dalamar evil? In his test he sacrificed his homeland to preserve the sanctity of the Test of High Sorcerey, he uses magic to help himself above all, the time honored oath to an evil diety, and he would sacrifice a fellow mage to save himself.

What makes Dalamar playable evil? He understands that there must be balance, he would give his life to uphold that balance, and he is willing to make and uphold an alliance to serve the greater "good", whether it be the existance of Krynn, or the existance of magic.
#9
ares
Aug 07, 2006 15:03:06
What makes Dalamar evil? In his test he sacrificed his homeland to preserve the sanctity of the Test of High Sorcerey, he uses magic to help himself above all, the time honored oath to an evil diety, and he would sacrifice a fellow mage to save himself.

What makes Dalamar playable evil? He understands that there must be balance, he would give his life to uphold that balance, and he is willing to make and uphold an alliance to serve the greater "good", whether it be the existance of Krynn, or the existance of magic.

What he said....more simply put, Dalamar is Smart Evil not Stupid Evil.
#10
AdrianLP
Aug 07, 2006 19:44:12
What makes Dalamar playable evil? He understands that there must be balance, he would give his life to uphold that balance, and he is willing to make and uphold an alliance to serve the greater "good", whether it be the existance of Krynn, or the existance of magic.

I thought understanding there is a balance meant you are neutral. The sourcebook says that evil wants evil to rule.

As for the existence of magic, I thought *all* mages have to desire that first and foremost to be a wizard of high sorcery. Is that what the test helps prove?
#11
mindolin
Aug 07, 2006 23:07:19 In Dragonlance, upholding the balance is mostly Neutral, depending on what you are upholding it for. If you uphold balance for the balance itself, yes it is neutral. If you uphold balance because the Cataclysm is what happens if you don't, that's not so much straight neutrality. Mages don't necessarily need to seek to uphold the balance after they take the test. Raistlin and Tramd Stonestrike show this very plainly, as their actions could have destroyed magic on Krynn.
#12
mindolin
Aug 07, 2006 23:11:55 Sorry, almost forgot about Belize in the Defenders of Magic trilogy. He was in some ways closer to destroying the magic than either Raistlin or Tramd.
#13
ares
Aug 08, 2006 1:05:03 Basically, Dalamar is Smart Evil because he's not about to go goosestepping all over the cosmos firing random fireballs at villages with his army of undead. He's not going to do anything that risks the magic or anything that is obviously going to get him killed (by making himself an obvious threat to the balance of the world).
#14
zombiegleemax
Aug 08, 2006 6:27:38 He only wants balance cuz either so it would preserve magic or wont get him killed. In the end, its still about himself.
#15
mindolin
Aug 08, 2006 9:20:30 It can be traced down to being about himself, but Dalamar does still do things for others, I believe he mentioned to Tramd that one of the reasons he came after him was to avenge the loss of so many Silvanesti, in particullarly to avenge the death of Tellin Windglimmer. It may still be traced to being about himself, but the point is that his devotion to the balance and to magic will cause him to act in ways that most players won't necessarily mind having them join their ranks for a time. He has made stranger alliances, such as with Regene of Schallsea, a white robe, in Dalamar the Dark.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Jul 30, 2006 10:15:22	I have a question regarding Dalamar. In the Age of Mortal book he is stated out as a 7th level mage and 10th Black Robed Wizard. In Legends of the Twins he has levels in Archmage. Am I to understand that the Legends entries is what he would have been if Takihisis had not stolen Krynn?
#2 cam_banks Jul 30, 2006 10:45:31	That's what alternate histories are for yes. Cheers, Cam
#3 zombiegleemax Jul 30, 2006 12:08:54	Yeah, so in Age of Mortals, he is weaker, so you and your gang can gang up on him! Steal his items!
#4 zombiegleemax Jul 30, 2006 14:10:49	I would not want to face the Master of the Black Robes at any level!
#5 ares Jul 31, 2006 19:54:14	I would not want to face the Master of the Black Robes at any level! I like Dalamar. I'd like to think that his would be a kind of evil that a PC could have in a party and not be disruptive. That aside, I've never been impressed with Dalamar in terms of power. He reminds me of a line used in KOTOR 2: "Your sad fate is to give so much for power, and recieve so little." Suits Dalamar to a "T".
#6 zombiegleemax Aug 01, 2006 16:47:19	I think that Dalamar lives on the reputation on being a spy for the Conclave and being Raistlin's apprentice.
#7 AdrianLP Aug 07, 2006 9:55:24	I like Dalamar. I'd like to think that his would be a kind of evil that a PC could have in a party and not be disruptive. What do yo mean? I've not read Dalamar the Dark. What makes him a playable evil. For that matter, what does make him evil?
#8 mindolin Aug 07, 2006 11:56:01	What makes Dalamar evil? In his test he sacrificed his homeland to preserve the sanctity of the Test of High Sorcerey, he uses magic to help himself above all, the time honored oath to an evil diety, and he would sacrifice a fellow mage to save himself. What makes Dalamar playable evil? He understands that there must be balance, he would give his life to uphold that balance, and he is willing to make and uphold an alliance to serve the greater "good", whether it be the existance of Krynn, or the existance of magic.
#9 ares Aug 07, 2006 15:03:06	What makes Dalamar evil? In his test he sacrificed his homeland to preserve the sanctity of the Test of High Sorcerey, he uses magic to help himself above all, the time honored oath to an evil diety, and he would sacrifice a fellow mage to save himself. What makes Dalamar playable evil? He understands that there must be balance, he would give his life to uphold that balance, and he is willing to make and uphold an alliance to serve the greater "good", whether it be the existance of Krynn, or the existance of magic. What he said....more simply put, Dalamar is Smart Evil not Stupid Evil.
#10 AdrianLP Aug 07, 2006 19:44:12	What makes Dalamar playable evil? He understands that there must be balance, he would give his life to uphold that balance, and he is willing to make and uphold an alliance to serve the greater "good", whether it be the existance of Krynn, or the existance of magic. I thought understanding there is a balance meant you are neutral. The sourcebook says that evil wants evil to rule. As for the existence of magic, I thought all mages have to desire that first and foremost to be a wizard of high sorcery. Is that what the test helps prove?
#11 mindolin Aug 07, 2006 23:07:19	In Dragonlance, upholding the balance is mostly Neutral, depending on what you are upholding it for. If you uphold balance for the balance itself, yes it is neutral. If you uphold balance because the Cataclysm is what happens if you don't, that's not so much straight neutrality. Mages don't necessarily need to seek to uphold the balance after they take the test. Raistlin and Tramd Stonestrike show this very plainly, as their actions could have destroyed magic on Krynn.
#12 mindolin Aug 07, 2006 23:11:55	Sorry, almost forgot about Belize in the Defenders of Magic trilogy. He was in some ways closer to destroying the magic than either Raistlin or Tramd.
#13 ares Aug 08, 2006 1:05:03	Basically, Dalamar is Smart Evil because he's not about to go goosestepping all over the cosmos firing random fireballs at villages with his army of undead. He's not going to do anything that risks the magic or anything that is obviously going to get him killed (by making himself an obvious threat to the balance of the world).
#14 zombiegleemax Aug 08, 2006 6:27:38	He only wants balance cuz either so it would preserve magic or wont get him killed. In the end, its still about himself.
#15 mindolin Aug 08, 2006 9:20:30	It can be traced down to being about himself, but Dalamar does still do things for others, I believe he mentioned to Tramd that one of the reasons he came after him was to avenge the loss of so many Silvanesti, in particullarly to avenge the death of Tellin Windglimmer. It may still be traced to being about himself, but the point is that his devotion to the balance and to magic will cause him to act in ways that most players won't necessarily mind having them join their ranks for a time. He has made stranger alliances, such as with Regene of Schallsea, a white robe, in Dalamar the Dark.