Sorcerer Kings Alias'
Nibenay = The Shadow King
Borys = The Dragon
Hamanu = The Lion-King
Kalak = The Tyrant of Tyr
Sacha = Sacha the Beastly
If any of these a wrong or if you have any other please do post. I am not refering to their Chapion cleansing epithets -> "Borys Butcher of Dwarves" etc.
What are the populations of the city-states?
Okay I have two.
Sorcerer Kings Alias'
Nibenay = The Shadow King
Borys = The Dragon
Hamanu = The Lion-King
Kalak = The Tyrant of Tyr
Sacha = Sacha the Beastly
If any of these a wrong or if you have any other please do post. I am not refering to their Chapion cleansing epithets -> "Borys Butcher of Dwarves" etc.
What are the populations of the city-states?
Sacha was not a Sorcerer-King, ever. The pithets, and the populations are all defined in the Wanderer's Chronicle.
What about the Dragon Farcluun from the Black Flames module, how do you guys fit him into DS history?
Here are my thoughts on the Heroes of Prism Pentad Series skill levels:
Tithian
14 psi/10 defiler
Neeva
level 11[begin Verdant]
-13[begin Crimson
-14 fought with Rikus against halfling assassins etc]
-15[fought Tithians slavers, begin Cerulean]
-17[after killing Borys] Gladiator
Rikus
level 12[begin Verdant]
-14[begin crimson
-15 fought Maetan & Kes'trekel leader
-16 killed Umbra & fought Hamanu]
-17 killed giants
-18 fighting Alabach-Re's army & sorcerer kings
-19 after killing Borys] Gladiator
Sadira
level 8[begin Verdant]
-10[Begin Amber
-11 after killing Nok
-12 after Cleft Rock
-18 after Pristine] Preserver/Sun Wizard
-19[after killing Borys]
Agis
level 12[begin Verdant]
-14[Crimson/begin Oracle
-17 end Oracle/Death] Psionicist
If you have accurate information on their final levels please do tell.
I have two more questions.
(I have just raised my DarkSun Historian level to 7, I believe xlorepdarkhelms level is about 19)
Where is Yoram(Myron of Yoram)?
What does the Crimson Monolith do is it refered to in any canon, or has anyone written up some info about it?
Where do I find out about the coloured dots next to Wizard board user names, what they all mean?
(I just discovered Farcluun, getting Black Flames, Road to Urik, Arcane Shadows, Dragons Crown, all mint condition unopened for $US5 each today!!!)
Where is Yoram(Myron of Yoram)?
I don't believe it's marked on maps. I usually just run with the notion that a) only people who are aware of Myron of Yorim would even know the name, and b) Yorim was destroyed and lost to history. However there's been a few other ideas which I think have been made as to its location on these forums.
What does the Crimson Monolith do is it refered to in any canon, or has anyone written up some info about it?
Don't think it is refered in any canon (unless it's in Secrets of the Deadlands, but I don't believe it is), but there's been a few people who have had ideas on it. I've never really thought much about the Crimson Monolith much myself.
Where do I find out about the coloured dots next to Wizard board user names, what they all mean?
Colored dots?
(I just discovered Farcluun, getting Black Flames, Road to Urik, Arcane Shadows, Dragons Crown, all mint condition unopened for $US5 each today!!!)
Cool, I have them all in PDF format, tucked away on my fileserver. Now if only my cats would stop turning it off...
I don't believe it's marked on maps. I usually just run with the notion that a) only people who are aware of Myron of Yorim would even know the name, and b) Yorim was destroyed and lost to history. However there's been a few other ideas which I think have been made as to its location on these forums.
Yes we can add it to Brian's maps like someone did for Arala
Don't think it is refered in any canon (unless it's in Secrets of the Deadlands, but I don't believe it is), but there's been a few people who have had ideas on it. I've never really thought much about the Crimson Monolith much myself.
Yeah I would go with the it being a vestige of Cleansing Wars army teleporters, now it has malfunctioned and nasty demons(like Vrock) from Athas' Underdark spawn it after 12am and getting sucked back in at 4am. Great for people who need a challenge, any parts of the demons would also get sucked back in; keeping Athas sterile. Any night where there is a full moon(1 or 2), Lycans would come out and go back at the times also not infecting anyone unless there is lycanthropy already on Athas.
Colored dots?
I have a Green one you have a blue one. Something to do with how many posts we made. Also when/where are the competitions for Avatar prizes?
I have a Green one you have a blue one. Something to do with how many posts we made. Also when/where are the competitions for Avatar prizes?
Hmm. The only colored dot I see in the sidebar where our names are at, is the one down at the bottom that indicates if you are online or offline (if you hold your mouse over the image, it tells you that).
I'm not sure but I'd venture that all of the mythical cities besides Ebe are covered in Brian's maps.
Wooh I will have to search those maps carefully for Yoram, can't remember seeing it though.
Ha! How is it that Abalach-Re is a level 21 dragon but in Black Flames she has the apperance of a level 22 or 23 dragon? Illusion? Or mistake in Dragon Kings?
Ha! How is it that Abalach-Re is a level 21 dragon but in Black Flames she has the apperance of a level 22 or 23 dragon? Illusion? Or mistake in Dragon Kings?
Make that '2E material in serious need of overhaul' ;)
Abalach-Re always was the least powerful of the SKs.
Can I have a Citadel(flying castle) out in the middle of some silt?
(1) The 3.5 rules on Athas.org refer to languages specific to each City State and also to the Common language of slaves. Does the Common language have a written language? I would infer that the common language does not, indeed, have a written language because it is the language of a predominately illiterate class. However, being a language of trade as well, the language must at least have some written symbols for math. If so, then most traders should have literacy in Common (for invoices, bookkeeping, etc.,). If even traders do not use a written Common language, then I doubt one would have developed (as it would have no purpose or user-base).
(2) The quest involving Dregoth ("Dregoth Ascending") refers readers to the Appendix for the statistics of the Sorcerer-Monarchs. The text reads "Should it come to blows, stats for the three sorcerer-kings are included in the Appendix" (page 35-36). The statistics, however, are not listed in the Appendix. Is this information intentionally missing (perhaps due to a desire to alter/finalize the dragon template)?
I have to admit that I just really want to see the Shadow King's stats...
(3) In the Kank description for the Terrors of Athas, the subtypes are "worker," "soldier," or "brood queen." Meanwhile, in the rulesbook, the subtypes are "herding," "riding," or "warmount." The 3.5 guide is more of a conversion than an equipment guide, but this listing does not correspond to the description (and thus, statistics) of any creatures.
(4) Inconsistency: In the Wanderer's Journal, the Wanderer mentions riding on a mount during a run with the elves. Sorry, I don't have my copy here to reference for page or exact quotation. In the Simon Hawke trilogy ("the Tribe of One" series), the Wanderer is revealed to be an elf. Generally, no elf would be caught dead riding on a mount.
The Simon Hawke trilogy may not be considered canon, which would solve the problem. Since the trilogy is one of the few written about Dark Sun, it would seem unfortunate/odd that the material would have to be disregarded. Alternately, perhaps the Wanderer purposely misled his readers about his identity, but I am unsure of what underlying motive would spark such an act. I haven't looked at the WJ in ages, so my memory could be failing me. Still, I recall that the Wanderer does mention being on a mount.
I don't know if anyone has brought any of this up in previous posts. I apologize if these are already issues/questions that have been addressed.
(1) The 3.5 rules on Athas.org refer to languages specific to each City State and also to the Common language of slaves. Does the Common language have a written language? I would infer that the common language does not, indeed, have a written language because it is the language of a predominately illiterate class. However, being a language of trade as well, the language must at least have some written symbols for math. If so, then most traders should have literacy in Common (for invoices, bookkeeping, etc.,). If even traders do not use a written Common language, then I doubt one would have developed (as it would have no purpose or user-base).
Understand that literacy is for the most part outlawed, especially in city-states where sorcerer-kings rule. Most people do not read or write, save for the templars, and maybe some of the nobles. Traders might as well, but they also might have to keep it somewhat secret in some city-states.
(2) The quest involving Dregoth ("Dregoth Ascending") refers readers to the Appendix for the statistics of the Sorcerer-Monarchs. The text reads "Should it come to blows, stats for the three sorcerer-kings are included in the Appendix" (page 35-36). The statistics, however, are not listed in the Appendix. Is this information intentionally missing (perhaps due to a desire to alter/finalize the dragon template)?
Dragons are not templates (they are epic spells & a prestige class), and understand that the Dregoth Ascending material isn't 100% complete. We've just not gotten around to statting the other 3 SK's.
(3) In the Kank description for the Terrors of Athas, the subtypes are "worker," "soldier," or "brood queen." Meanwhile, in the rulesbook, the subtypes are "herding," "riding," or "warmount." The 3.5 guide is more of a conversion than an equipment guide, but this listing does not correspond to the description (and thus, statistics) of any creatures.
Outside my area of expertise.
(4) Inconsistency: In the Wanderer's Journal, the Wanderer mentions riding on a mount during a run with the elves. Sorry, I don't have my copy here to reference for page or exact quotation. In the Simon Hawke trilogy ("the Tribe of One" series), the Wanderer is revealed to be an elf. Generally, no elf would be caught dead riding on a mount.
Simon Hawke really went off the deep end on a great many things. It is really the farthest from the 'canonical' (if that word really can apply in this case) Dark Sun.
The Simon Hawke trilogy may not be considered canon, which would solve the problem. Since the trilogy is one of the few written about Dark Sun, it would seem unfortunate/odd that the material would have to be disregarded. Alternately, perhaps the Wanderer purposely misled his readers about his identity, but I am unsure of what underlying motive would spark such an act. I haven't looked at the WJ in ages, so my memory could be failing me. Still, I recall that the Wanderer does mention being on a mount.
The Wanderer is, if memory serves, a human with a reptilian arm due to a close encounter with the pristine tower.
I don't know if anyone has brought any of this up in previous posts. I apologize if these are already issues/questions that have been addressed.
No worries.
(2) The quest involving Dregoth ("Dregoth Ascending") refers readers to the Appendix for the statistics of the Sorcerer-Monarchs. The text reads "Should it come to blows, stats for the three sorcerer-kings are included in the Appendix" (page 35-36). The statistics, however, are not listed in the Appendix. Is this information intentionally missing (perhaps due to a desire to alter/finalize the dragon template)?
The stats aren´t in there because DA part 3 is a playtest release. They will be in the final version.
Understand that literacy is for the most part outlawed, especially in city-states where sorcerer-kings rule. Most people do not read or write, save for the templars, and maybe some of the nobles. Traders might as well, but they also might have to keep it somewhat secret in some city-states.
Thank you for the quick response. My intuition was also that the Simon Hawke stance on the Wanderer was not canon, but I wanted to check. With the dragon question, I meant "template" in the generic sense (where a template is a sort of working model), rather than the D&D sense (such as the "Champion of Rajaat" template). I apologize for the confusion.
In regard to the literacy issue, I understand how rare literacy is. My question, however, is whether Common even has a written language, not how many people can use it if it exists. Some traders might know how to read, but does that mean they know how to read the language of the city-state only, or might they secretly know how to read and write Common? The reason why I am uncertain is because Common, as the language of the slaves, doesn't really offer a role for a written language. However, as a trade language, a written language seems to offer a purpose (though the few literate traders would take pains to hide their literacy).
Generally, every language in D&D has a written component. I am just not sure if the context of Common would allow it to be a written language.
Generally, every language in D&D has a written component. I am just not sure if the context of Common would allow it to be a written language.
I would not assume that with the Dark Sun languages, simply because everything has been the way it is for two thousand years, and is the status quo. I'd expect there to be some sort of trade languages established between the various dynastic merchant houses, and they don't technically use Common as the written language -- or it could be a universal character set using symbols (like Traditional Chinese) that represent ideas and concepts, but then the 'spoken component' could be really any language.
Wizards in Dark Sun, for instance, don't really "write" in spellbooks -- they tend to have designs and patterns that help them remember what needs to happen for a spell -- frequently integrated into their clothing, tattoos, etc.
I would say that the written component of a particular city-state's language is what the Templars use with their bookkeeping, and possibly what the nobility are taught as well. As I mentioned before, I'd expect that the merchant houses have some sort of universal written language they can rely on for their documents. I just wouldn't assume there is much other actual written languages at all. And no, I'd not expect there to be a written part of Common. 2,000 years with literacy ouitlawed save for a select few would mean that the people wouldn't even know there is another way to do it.
Inconsistency: In the Wanderer's Journal, the Wanderer mentions riding on a mount during a run with the elves. Sorry, I don't have my copy here to reference for page or exact quotation. In the Simon Hawke trilogy ("the Tribe of One" series), the Wanderer is revealed to be an elf. Generally, no elf would be caught dead riding on a mount.
Simon Hawke really went off the deep end on a great many things. It is really the farthest from the 'canonical' (if that word really can apply in this case) Dark Sun.
The Wanderer is, if memory serves, a human with a reptilian arm due to a close encounter with the pristine tower.
True for [running Eleven tribes of the Tablelands] but the Elven tribe he was refering to was from the other side of the ringing mountains, where the terrain may have been far too difficult to run for any period other than a short sprint. However their name "moonrunners" seems to contradict my thought
Who says an avangion can't be and elf, or half-elf? He can have a reptilian arm - and he could always die in the metamorphosis process for not being a human! He he. :evillaugh
What danger do the SK's and Avangions real names pose to them in the rules? Do you need to know the original name to be able to see their true form? Or do actual damage?
True for [running Eleven tribes of the Tablelands] but the Elven tribe he was refering to was from the other side of the ringing mountains, where the terrain may have been far too difficult to run for any period other than a short sprint. However their name "moonrunners" seems to contradict my thought
Who says an avangion can't be and elf, or half-elf? He can have a reptilian arm - and he could always die in the metamorphosis process for not being a human! He he. :evillaugh
What danger do the SK's and Avangions real names pose to them in the rules? Do you need to know the original name to be able to see their true form? Or do actual damage?
Actually, the rules we made for DS3 allows for pretty much any race to be able to be Avangions.
That said, I completely reject the idea that the Wanderer is an Avangion. It just plain makes no sense, and is something Simon Hawke came up with.