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#1
burningspear
Aug 15, 2006 22:14:22 in the prestige class compilation on athas.org i found a descrepancy:

the telepathic communication a shadow templar can do has no radius, and i know that per example in tome and blood they do have a maximum range/ radius to this kinda ablility

#2
burningspear
Aug 20, 2006 11:41:15 no one even bothers to tell me if i am right or wrong? about what i think is a descrepancy???

o whell...
#3
thebrax
Aug 20, 2006 13:07:55 While I usually just don't respond when someone has a question that that I can't answer, you sound so hurt that no one's answered you, that I'll gladly bother to tell you that I have no idea. If you want better answers than that, then use the appropriate contact emails on the Prestige class document.

-brax
#4
burningspear
Aug 20, 2006 13:12:29 lol, thanks for the social effort anyway
#5
jon_oracle_of_athas
Aug 20, 2006 15:07:33 Do you feel it breaks the class? I didn´t really consider a range limitation necessary. So, if it breaks the class - it is an oversight, if it doesn´t - it isn´t. ;)
#6
burningspear
Aug 20, 2006 15:42:01 any other classes that might get it, get it with a range limit, so yes i think its a mistake and yes i think it breaks the class in a certain way,
and the way u react i think it is to simple, as in to wave it away like that.
(it could even be classed as arrogant)

(i mean to also explain how your reaction can be perceived, Jon, not only how i see it)
#7
jon_oracle_of_athas
Aug 26, 2006 5:17:51 Seems like we lost our little game of Zap-a-bolt in the board update, but end conclusion was that I don´t deem the ability game-breaking as is, but if you want to restrict it - I suggested using Line of sight as a range limitation.
#8
burningspear
Sep 04, 2006 3:19:59 and i suggest, just like in Tome and Blood (skin wearer or smthng), to limit the range to 20"..
#9
Pennarin
Sep 04, 2006 4:00:31 There are two aspects of the ability, which hasn't been mentionned yet. One part's communicating with shadow creatures on Athas, the other on the Black.

MM's telepathy entry suggests a general rule of a 100 feet.

So I suggest this:

[INDENT]Shadespeaker (Su): At 4th level the shadow templar gains the ability to communicate telepathically with shadow creatures (shadows, shadow giants, etc.) present on Athas and within a 100 feet. This does not grant the shadow templar any form of control over the shadow creature in question. Once per day, the shadow templar can contact a specific creature known to her (if any) in the Black for one minute per shadow templar level, with no range limitation.[/INDENT]
#10
burningspear
Sep 04, 2006 11:05:26 its stiil a better version than that of that demonskin thingie wearer,
but i could live with this limitation as they dont have many more abilities anyway... (i do compare it with a canon one out of a wotc booklet)
#11
Pennarin
Sep 04, 2006 15:50:01
its stiil a better version than that of that demonskin thingie wearer

The...Acolyte of the Skin, perhaps? That PrC offers no telepathy though.

Most telepathy abilities allow for communication with all living things, while this one is limited to shadow creatures only, hence the range being equal to what the MM suggests.

Besides, range is only an important factor if it can be used as part of a stategy to vanquish an encounter. In this case a DM would be hard pressed to even imagine an encounter where this shadow-only telepathy could hearn the PCs XP.
#12
burningspear
Sep 04, 2006 16:02:38 no, indeed not the acolyte of the skin but something like mindbenrder, anyway

there is also one in the forgotten realms setting book, and that one only gives it to creatures aligned to the priest god's alignment, so saying that it is limited to shadow only is no excuse (although i dont have my books, they r in holland, and i am in the UK, so i cannot verify this from the top of my head, if it has a limit in range)

Besides, range is only an important factor if it can be used as part of a stategy to vanquish an encounter. In this case a DM would be hard pressed to even imagine an encounter where this shadow-only telepathy could hearn the PCs XP.

your oppinion, i merely compare this ability with the others i know have a sort of equal abilitie, and this version we discuss seems out of balance in comparison to the others who have it.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 burningspear Aug 15, 2006 22:14:22	in the prestige class compilation on athas.org i found a descrepancy: the telepathic communication a shadow templar can do has no radius, and i know that per example in tome and blood they do have a maximum range/ radius to this kinda ablility
#2 burningspear Aug 20, 2006 11:41:15	no one even bothers to tell me if i am right or wrong? about what i think is a descrepancy??? o whell...
#3 thebrax Aug 20, 2006 13:07:55	While I usually just don't respond when someone has a question that that I can't answer, you sound so hurt that no one's answered you, that I'll gladly bother to tell you that I have no idea. If you want better answers than that, then use the appropriate contact emails on the Prestige class document. -brax
#4 burningspear Aug 20, 2006 13:12:29	lol, thanks for the social effort anyway
#5 jon_oracle_of_athas Aug 20, 2006 15:07:33	Do you feel it breaks the class? I didn´t really consider a range limitation necessary. So, if it breaks the class - it is an oversight, if it doesn´t - it isn´t. ;)
#6 burningspear Aug 20, 2006 15:42:01	any other classes that might get it, get it with a range limit, so yes i think its a mistake and yes i think it breaks the class in a certain way, and the way u react i think it is to simple, as in to wave it away like that. (it could even be classed as arrogant) (i mean to also explain how your reaction can be perceived, Jon, not only how i see it)
#7 jon_oracle_of_athas Aug 26, 2006 5:17:51	Seems like we lost our little game of Zap-a-bolt in the board update, but end conclusion was that I don´t deem the ability game-breaking as is, but if you want to restrict it - I suggested using Line of sight as a range limitation.
#8 burningspear Sep 04, 2006 3:19:59	and i suggest, just like in Tome and Blood (skin wearer or smthng), to limit the range to 20"..
#9 Pennarin Sep 04, 2006 4:00:31	There are two aspects of the ability, which hasn't been mentionned yet. One part's communicating with shadow creatures on Athas, the other on the Black. MM's telepathy entry suggests a general rule of a 100 feet. So I suggest this: [INDENT]Shadespeaker (Su): At 4th level the shadow templar gains the ability to communicate telepathically with shadow creatures (shadows, shadow giants, etc.) present on Athas and within a 100 feet. This does not grant the shadow templar any form of control over the shadow creature in question. Once per day, the shadow templar can contact a specific creature known to her (if any) in the Black for one minute per shadow templar level, with no range limitation.[/INDENT]
#10 burningspear Sep 04, 2006 11:05:26	its stiil a better version than that of that demonskin thingie wearer, but i could live with this limitation as they dont have many more abilities anyway... (i do compare it with a canon one out of a wotc booklet)
#11 Pennarin Sep 04, 2006 15:50:01	its stiil a better version than that of that demonskin thingie wearer The...Acolyte of the Skin, perhaps? That PrC offers no telepathy though. Most telepathy abilities allow for communication with all living things, while this one is limited to shadow creatures only, hence the range being equal to what the MM suggests. Besides, range is only an important factor if it can be used as part of a stategy to vanquish an encounter. In this case a DM would be hard pressed to even imagine an encounter where this shadow-only telepathy could hearn the PCs XP.
#12 burningspear Sep 04, 2006 16:02:38	no, indeed not the acolyte of the skin but something like mindbenrder, anyway there is also one in the forgotten realms setting book, and that one only gives it to creatures aligned to the priest god's alignment, so saying that it is limited to shadow only is no excuse (although i dont have my books, they r in holland, and i am in the UK, so i cannot verify this from the top of my head, if it has a limit in range) Besides, range is only an important factor if it can be used as part of a stategy to vanquish an encounter. In this case a DM would be hard pressed to even imagine an encounter where this shadow-only telepathy could hearn the PCs XP. your oppinion, i merely compare this ability with the others i know have a sort of equal abilitie, and this version we discuss seems out of balance in comparison to the others who have it.