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Additional Rajaat's champions in Crimson Legion

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#1
Mulhull
Aug 19, 2006 2:53:20 Someone told me that the wraiths mentioned in the Crimson Legion novel of the Prism Pentad seeking the Kemalok book of Kings (Tamar, and a few others) were not champions of Rajaat, just officers of Borys' army but doesn't Rikus near the end of the book say to Tamar (who is in a ruby in his chest) "summon the other champions" to her
#2
phaaf_glien
Aug 19, 2006 3:48:42 This is true Mulhull, you raise a good issue. The "champion" reference by Rikus is on CL, 318.

CL and AE are the two books of the Pentad I am least familiar with, unfortunately...

I will look into this, but on the surface, yes, all the wraiths at the citadel where Umbra died were officers of Borys. None were Champions of Rajaat. I would tentatively conclude that mention of "champions" would mean Borys' officers or champions.
#3
Pennarin
Aug 19, 2006 4:14:18 This has been discussed before on many an occasion.
The agreed upon concensus is that those wraiths were 'lieutenants' in Borys' army pre-Dragon.
One such wraith is described in DSMCII as having 10 fighter levels. Not a Champion.
#4
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
Aug 19, 2006 14:03:29 There is a difference between being a "champion" and being a "Champion". the capital letter, in Dark Sun references almost always refers to "Champion of Rajaat", especially in the context of the cleansing wars, the sorcerer-kings, and Rajaat himself. The lower-case letter is your typical definition of champion, somewhat admired, hero of an army; a leader, favored of their commander. Borys had champions in his army, as I am sure each of the other Champions of Rajaat had.
#5
dirk00001
Aug 19, 2006 15:04:26
There is a difference between being a "champion" and being a "Champion". the capital letter, in Dark Sun references almost always refers to "Champion of Rajaat", especially in the context of the cleansing wars, the sorcerer-kings, and Rajaat himself. The lower-case letter is your typical definition of champion, somewhat admired, hero of an army; a leader, favored of their commander. Borys had champions in his army, as I am sure each of the other Champions of Rajaat had.

...yup, same reasoning as to why you have "champion" figures in miniature table-top games, or how a PC is often considered a "champion for good" or equivalent. Overall, it's your generic fantasy reference to noteworthy individuals as being "champions" of one sort or another.
#6
Pennarin
Aug 19, 2006 20:06:39 When I sometimes write that this or that character is a sorcerer, people go "Huh...?!" because they take it literaly, as in the sorcerer base class, while sorcerer is actually a vaguer term like magician.

Same with champion.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 Mulhull Aug 19, 2006 2:53:20	Someone told me that the wraiths mentioned in the Crimson Legion novel of the Prism Pentad seeking the Kemalok book of Kings (Tamar, and a few others) were not champions of Rajaat, just officers of Borys' army but doesn't Rikus near the end of the book say to Tamar (who is in a ruby in his chest) "summon the other champions" to her
#2 phaaf_glien Aug 19, 2006 3:48:42	This is true Mulhull, you raise a good issue. The "champion" reference by Rikus is on CL, 318. CL and AE are the two books of the Pentad I am least familiar with, unfortunately... I will look into this, but on the surface, yes, all the wraiths at the citadel where Umbra died were officers of Borys. None were Champions of Rajaat. I would tentatively conclude that mention of "champions" would mean Borys' officers or champions.
#3 Pennarin Aug 19, 2006 4:14:18	This has been discussed before on many an occasion. The agreed upon concensus is that those wraiths were 'lieutenants' in Borys' army pre-Dragon. One such wraith is described in DSMCII as having 10 fighter levels. Not a Champion.
#4 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Aug 19, 2006 14:03:29	There is a difference between being a "champion" and being a "Champion". the capital letter, in Dark Sun references almost always refers to "Champion of Rajaat", especially in the context of the cleansing wars, the sorcerer-kings, and Rajaat himself. The lower-case letter is your typical definition of champion, somewhat admired, hero of an army; a leader, favored of their commander. Borys had champions in his army, as I am sure each of the other Champions of Rajaat had.
#5 dirk00001 Aug 19, 2006 15:04:26	There is a difference between being a "champion" and being a "Champion". the capital letter, in Dark Sun references almost always refers to "Champion of Rajaat", especially in the context of the cleansing wars, the sorcerer-kings, and Rajaat himself. The lower-case letter is your typical definition of champion, somewhat admired, hero of an army; a leader, favored of their commander. Borys had champions in his army, as I am sure each of the other Champions of Rajaat had. ...yup, same reasoning as to why you have "champion" figures in miniature table-top games, or how a PC is often considered a "champion for good" or equivalent. Overall, it's your generic fantasy reference to noteworthy individuals as being "champions" of one sort or another.
#6 Pennarin Aug 19, 2006 20:06:39	When I sometimes write that this or that character is a sorcerer, people go "Huh...?!" because they take it literaly, as in the sorcerer base class, while sorcerer is actually a vaguer term like magician. Same with champion.