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#1
zombiegleemax
Aug 19, 2006 18:38:22 Odd change, but I'm asking thoughts and opinions before I actually start detailing my own take. Figure might become more unified or workable for others.

What's everyone's take on Incarnum and it's potential place in Athas? Only just now thought of it as I was pondering a back up character and stumbled on the Soul Manifester. Could Incarnum be either a deluted or evolved form of LifeShaping? You are taking the fundamental energy of existance and forging it into various things?

Thoughts, expansions, ideas, etc?
#2
seker
Aug 19, 2006 19:41:44 Several people, myself included, have looked at this as a possible lifeshaping alternitive.

I ended up rejecting it just because it would take too much rewriting to rebuild it into enough of a system to be close enough to the actual life shaping of the Rhulisti.

I am going with my own systems on it.
#3
Pennarin
Aug 19, 2006 20:10:35 Brun01 has a nice system based on d20 Cybernetics. Beautiful, simple, adequate. Does not require a zillion feats to work, or too many skills and skill points, and the entries for the grafts and symbionts are rather simple.
#4
throkat
Aug 19, 2006 20:41:28 I've had some thoughts about adapting incarnum into Dark Sun.

Given the proximity of the Gray to Athas, and the fact that the Gray is filled with dissolved souls, it's not too much of a stretch to say that the Gray is a good source of incarnum. Of course, the Gray is called "the Gray" for a reason, so maybe incarnum isn't so much blue on Athas as it is, well, gray.

I figure that half-giants are particularly good at soulmelding classes, and not just because they get a good Con modifier. Half-giants have always been portrayed as imitators (to various degrees of success, given that they're not very bright). A half-giant soulmelder would be the ultimate expression of that. The half-giant observes some other character doing something beneficial, decides that he/she would also like to do so, and shapes the appropriate soulmelds to imitate as best as possible. The major problem with this, though, is the half-giant's optional alignment shifting. Pick an alignment for the day that doesn't fit with your soulmelding class, and you're out of luck.
#5
seker
Aug 19, 2006 20:59:52
I've had some thoughts about adapting incarnum into Dark Sun.

Given the proximity of the Gray to Athas, and the fact that the Gray is filled with dissolved souls, it's not too much of a stretch to say that the Gray is a good source of incarnum. Of course, the Gray is called "the Gray" for a reason, so maybe incarnum isn't so much blue on Athas as it is, well, gray.

I figure that half-giants are particularly good at soulmelding classes, and not just because they get a good Con modifier. Half-giants have always been portrayed as imitators (to various degrees of success, given that they're not very bright). A half-giant soulmelder would be the ultimate expression of that. The half-giant observes some other character doing something beneficial, decides that he/she would also like to do so, and shapes the appropriate soulmelds to imitate as best as possible. The major problem with this, though, is the half-giant's optional alignment shifting. Pick an alignment for the day that doesn't fit with your soulmelding class, and you're out of luck.

That is a really interesting thought on it.... pretty good.

BTW part of the ideas from soulmelding (chakras as locations and essentia for instance) did end up into part of how I am working up lifeshaping for my own campaign rules.... as the system itself is really interesting...
#6
zombiegleemax
Aug 19, 2006 21:35:32 Very good thoughts on the Gray, hadn't even thought about that approach. And the HalfGiant thing's not as bad as it seems what with the 3.x Halfgiant (DarkSun Version) no longer HAS to shift alignment, just has the option.

And yes, I've been pondering a Half Giant Totemist(Or Barbarian/Totemist/Totem Rager) That is obsessed with being Thrikreen. Add one Totem Bound Girallon Arms (with a rename) and voiloi, big halfgiant thinking he's a Kreen now and trying to act like he thinks they should.

And Sekar, I'll be interested to see your Life Shape rules when you're done if you don't mind sharing.
#7
seker
Aug 19, 2006 23:59:38
Very good thoughts on the Gray, hadn't even thought about that approach. And the HalfGiant thing's not as bad as it seems what with the 3.x Halfgiant (DarkSun Version) no longer HAS to shift alignment, just has the option.

And yes, I've been pondering a Half Giant Totemist(Or Barbarian/Totemist/Totem Rager) That is obsessed with being Thrikreen. Add one Totem Bound Girallon Arms (with a rename) and voiloi, big halfgiant thinking he's a Kreen now and trying to act like he thinks they should.

And Sekar, I'll be interested to see your Life Shape rules when you're done if you don't mind sharing.

Heh... I am in a bit of a revamp on my rules for dark sun at the moment....

I have 2 seperate versions.... a d20 modern version that uses the modern base classses and then advanced classes.... (which I got pretty much no help back from my playtesters last time I sent a version out) .... and a d20/dungeons and dragons version that I am finnishing up now.

Both versions have significant revamps on the magic systems.... including a full lifeshaping system, and the fact that arcane magic is a different way of handling the same building blocks. (afterall Rajaat did discover arcane magic while studied ancient lifeshaper secrets.)
#8
cnahumck
Aug 20, 2006 2:09:49 I would be interested in anyone's work on life shaping. You could PM me or Email. I could use ideas of a supplement I am working on.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Aug 19, 2006 18:38:22	Odd change, but I'm asking thoughts and opinions before I actually start detailing my own take. Figure might become more unified or workable for others. What's everyone's take on Incarnum and it's potential place in Athas? Only just now thought of it as I was pondering a back up character and stumbled on the Soul Manifester. Could Incarnum be either a deluted or evolved form of LifeShaping? You are taking the fundamental energy of existance and forging it into various things? Thoughts, expansions, ideas, etc?
#2 seker Aug 19, 2006 19:41:44	Several people, myself included, have looked at this as a possible lifeshaping alternitive. I ended up rejecting it just because it would take too much rewriting to rebuild it into enough of a system to be close enough to the actual life shaping of the Rhulisti. I am going with my own systems on it.
#3 Pennarin Aug 19, 2006 20:10:35	Brun01 has a nice system based on d20 Cybernetics. Beautiful, simple, adequate. Does not require a zillion feats to work, or too many skills and skill points, and the entries for the grafts and symbionts are rather simple.
#4 throkat Aug 19, 2006 20:41:28	I've had some thoughts about adapting incarnum into Dark Sun. Given the proximity of the Gray to Athas, and the fact that the Gray is filled with dissolved souls, it's not too much of a stretch to say that the Gray is a good source of incarnum. Of course, the Gray is called "the Gray" for a reason, so maybe incarnum isn't so much blue on Athas as it is, well, gray. I figure that half-giants are particularly good at soulmelding classes, and not just because they get a good Con modifier. Half-giants have always been portrayed as imitators (to various degrees of success, given that they're not very bright). A half-giant soulmelder would be the ultimate expression of that. The half-giant observes some other character doing something beneficial, decides that he/she would also like to do so, and shapes the appropriate soulmelds to imitate as best as possible. The major problem with this, though, is the half-giant's optional alignment shifting. Pick an alignment for the day that doesn't fit with your soulmelding class, and you're out of luck.
#5 seker Aug 19, 2006 20:59:52	I've had some thoughts about adapting incarnum into Dark Sun. Given the proximity of the Gray to Athas, and the fact that the Gray is filled with dissolved souls, it's not too much of a stretch to say that the Gray is a good source of incarnum. Of course, the Gray is called "the Gray" for a reason, so maybe incarnum isn't so much blue on Athas as it is, well, gray. I figure that half-giants are particularly good at soulmelding classes, and not just because they get a good Con modifier. Half-giants have always been portrayed as imitators (to various degrees of success, given that they're not very bright). A half-giant soulmelder would be the ultimate expression of that. The half-giant observes some other character doing something beneficial, decides that he/she would also like to do so, and shapes the appropriate soulmelds to imitate as best as possible. The major problem with this, though, is the half-giant's optional alignment shifting. Pick an alignment for the day that doesn't fit with your soulmelding class, and you're out of luck. That is a really interesting thought on it.... pretty good. BTW part of the ideas from soulmelding (chakras as locations and essentia for instance) did end up into part of how I am working up lifeshaping for my own campaign rules.... as the system itself is really interesting...
#6 zombiegleemax Aug 19, 2006 21:35:32	Very good thoughts on the Gray, hadn't even thought about that approach. And the HalfGiant thing's not as bad as it seems what with the 3.x Halfgiant (DarkSun Version) no longer HAS to shift alignment, just has the option. And yes, I've been pondering a Half Giant Totemist(Or Barbarian/Totemist/Totem Rager) That is obsessed with being Thrikreen. Add one Totem Bound Girallon Arms (with a rename) and voiloi, big halfgiant thinking he's a Kreen now and trying to act like he thinks they should. And Sekar, I'll be interested to see your Life Shape rules when you're done if you don't mind sharing.
#7 seker Aug 19, 2006 23:59:38	Very good thoughts on the Gray, hadn't even thought about that approach. And the HalfGiant thing's not as bad as it seems what with the 3.x Halfgiant (DarkSun Version) no longer HAS to shift alignment, just has the option. And yes, I've been pondering a Half Giant Totemist(Or Barbarian/Totemist/Totem Rager) That is obsessed with being Thrikreen. Add one Totem Bound Girallon Arms (with a rename) and voiloi, big halfgiant thinking he's a Kreen now and trying to act like he thinks they should. And Sekar, I'll be interested to see your Life Shape rules when you're done if you don't mind sharing. Heh... I am in a bit of a revamp on my rules for dark sun at the moment.... I have 2 seperate versions.... a d20 modern version that uses the modern base classses and then advanced classes.... (which I got pretty much no help back from my playtesters last time I sent a version out) .... and a d20/dungeons and dragons version that I am finnishing up now. Both versions have significant revamps on the magic systems.... including a full lifeshaping system, and the fact that arcane magic is a different way of handling the same building blocks. (afterall Rajaat did discover arcane magic while studied ancient lifeshaper secrets.)
#8 cnahumck Aug 20, 2006 2:09:49	I would be interested in anyone's work on life shaping. You could PM me or Email. I could use ideas of a supplement I am working on.